| Andre Gray inbound 11:18 - Aug 30 with 44542 views | James_Paddocks |
Having a medical this morning, according to the wonderful world of QPR Twitter...
Watford fans seem delighted to see the back of him.
I'll trust Warbs, Les and Lee though. [Post edited 30 Aug 2021 11:54]
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| Andre Gray inbound on 12:42 - Sep 2 with 2622 views | PhilmyRs |
| Andre Gray inbound on 12:29 - Sep 2 by SheffieldHoop |
Andre Gray didn't actually burn any gay people though, did he?
He did a tweet expressing views that align with Jamaican law
The fact we're here criticising Andre Gray for his views, and not Jamaica for their law, is interesting to me. |
Criticising a QPR player for their past views, on a QPR forum, but not debating Jamaican polictics, seems interesting? Obviously if this was a political forum and this was the debate, I get you 100%, but it's not.
I think Gray was a product of his environemt when he made those tweets. He grew up in a rough part of the country and likely would have ended up in prison if it wasn't for Football. He's taken steps to change and I for one agree with all the views expressed that people can change and you should judge them by their actions now and what they stand for. It's the footballing side of Gray I'm a bit concerned about and whether they still have the hunger. Interested to see how he does. |  | | |
| Andre Gray inbound on 12:42 - Sep 2 with 2619 views | LythamR |
| Andre Gray inbound on 12:29 - Sep 2 by SheffieldHoop |
Andre Gray didn't actually burn any gay people though, did he?
He did a tweet expressing views that align with Jamaican law
The fact we're here criticising Andre Gray for his views, and not Jamaica for their law, is interesting to me. |
Perhaps its because we are not in Jamaica and certainly speaking for myself i have no particular knowledge of Jamaican law |  | | |
| Andre Gray inbound on 12:52 - Sep 2 with 2583 views | Jigsore |
| Andre Gray inbound on 12:29 - Sep 2 by SheffieldHoop |
Andre Gray didn't actually burn any gay people though, did he?
He did a tweet expressing views that align with Jamaican law
The fact we're here criticising Andre Gray for his views, and not Jamaica for their law, is interesting to me. |
busy transfer window as it's been, we haven't signed Jamaica |  |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 12:59 - Sep 2 with 2463 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Andre Gray inbound on 12:42 - Sep 2 by PhilmyRs |
Criticising a QPR player for their past views, on a QPR forum, but not debating Jamaican polictics, seems interesting? Obviously if this was a political forum and this was the debate, I get you 100%, but it's not.
I think Gray was a product of his environemt when he made those tweets. He grew up in a rough part of the country and likely would have ended up in prison if it wasn't for Football. He's taken steps to change and I for one agree with all the views expressed that people can change and you should judge them by their actions now and what they stand for. It's the footballing side of Gray I'm a bit concerned about and whether they still have the hunger. Interested to see how he does. |
Cause and effect
Nobody mentioned Jamaican law in the mitigation column
So I did |  |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 13:19 - Sep 2 with 2366 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Andre Gray inbound on 12:52 - Sep 2 by Jigsore |
busy transfer window as it's been, we haven't signed Jamaica |
Nah but certain fans have gone into a moral panic over signing a player who once expressed a homophobic opinion.
Even though his background is one where high levels of homophobia are seen as basic humanity.
He's apologised for offending our British values but is still receiving excessive ridicule. For what? | |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 13:52 - Sep 2 with 2312 views | QPR_Jim |
| Andre Gray inbound on 13:19 - Sep 2 by SheffieldHoop |
Nah but certain fans have gone into a moral panic over signing a player who once expressed a homophobic opinion.
Even though his background is one where high levels of homophobia are seen as basic humanity.
He's apologised for offending our British values but is still receiving excessive ridicule. For what? |
You had better update his Wikipedia page, it says he was brought up in Wolverhampton. |  | | |
| Andre Gray inbound on 13:57 - Sep 2 with 2282 views | QPR_John |
| Andre Gray inbound on 06:58 - Sep 2 by dmm |
That's a very strange comment. Having an opinion is not an issue. It's what the opinion is that's the problem.
And, whoever and whatever you have in mind by the term 'Woke' is hardly relevant to this discussion. |
“ Having an opinion is not an issue. It's what the opinion is that's the problem. ”
That’s dangerously close to saying I’ll defend your right to have an opinion as long as it agrees with mine | | | |
| Andre Gray inbound on 14:18 - Sep 2 with 2207 views | GloryHunter |
| Andre Gray inbound on 12:29 - Sep 2 by SheffieldHoop |
Andre Gray didn't actually burn any gay people though, did he?
He did a tweet expressing views that align with Jamaican law
The fact we're here criticising Andre Gray for his views, and not Jamaica for their law, is interesting to me. |
It's the law in Jamaica that gay people are burned to death? |  | | |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 14:23 - Sep 2 with 2133 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Andre Gray inbound on 13:52 - Sep 2 by QPR_Jim |
You had better update his Wikipedia page, it says he was brought up in Wolverhampton. |
Wikipedia also says his nationality is Jamaican.
Commenting on Jamaican culture, Gray says "I grew up around it my whole life", "I've always been in tune with the culture. The culture, the food, the music."
He's also got a tattoo of Marcus Garvey......
Ps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source | |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 14:27 - Sep 2 with 2109 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Andre Gray inbound on 14:18 - Sep 2 by GloryHunter |
It's the law in Jamaica that gay people are burned to death? |
Yeah pretty much
It's called vigilantism | |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 15:29 - Sep 2 with 2033 views | kensalriser |
Blimey, did no else else spot Loftgirl was being ironic?
No f*ing idea what Jamaica's got to do with anything being discussed here except it's a serial wum posting half-arsed antagonistic drivel again. |  |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 15:40 - Sep 2 with 1955 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Andre Gray inbound on 15:29 - Sep 2 by kensalriser |
Blimey, did no else else spot Loftgirl was being ironic?
No f*ing idea what Jamaica's got to do with anything being discussed here except it's a serial wum posting half-arsed antagonistic drivel again. |
We've got 9 pages of "Fans" calling our new striker a "bellend" over stuff they don't - Evidently, based on what has been written - fully understand the context of - and you're upset with me for attempting to provide some context  | |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 15:45 - Sep 2 with 1990 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Andre Gray inbound on 15:29 - Sep 2 by kensalriser |
Blimey, did no else else spot Loftgirl was being ironic?
No f*ing idea what Jamaica's got to do with anything being discussed here except it's a serial wum posting half-arsed antagonistic drivel again. |
Apologies LoftGirl this went over my head.
Not a clue what the other fella has said but I’m sure all the other low activity accounts who wade in out of the blue on similar subjects will all be along soon and then disappear like a fart in a hurricane until the next contrived identity debate is raised. |  | | |
| Andre Gray inbound on 15:47 - Sep 2 with 1924 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Andre Gray inbound on 15:45 - Sep 2 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Apologies LoftGirl this went over my head.
Not a clue what the other fella has said but I’m sure all the other low activity accounts who wade in out of the blue on similar subjects will all be along soon and then disappear like a fart in a hurricane until the next contrived identity debate is raised. |
Talking to yourself again  | |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 15:51 - Sep 2 with 1951 views | danehoop |
| Andre Gray inbound on 15:45 - Sep 2 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Apologies LoftGirl this went over my head.
Not a clue what the other fella has said but I’m sure all the other low activity accounts who wade in out of the blue on similar subjects will all be along soon and then disappear like a fart in a hurricane until the next contrived identity debate is raised. |
I just put him (well I assume it's a him) on ignore. Quality of discussion seems to have improved for me as a result. |  |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 15:56 - Sep 2 with 1930 views | superstan |
Why does everything get so analysed, ie Charlie’s non red card now this, can’t we just be happy rather than finding reasons to fault decisions. | | | |
| Andre Gray inbound on 16:03 - Sep 2 with 1910 views | tonyQPR |
| Andre Gray inbound on 15:51 - Sep 2 by danehoop |
I just put him (well I assume it's a him) on ignore. Quality of discussion seems to have improved for me as a result. |
Bet Clive can’t wait to put up his new signing piece as it’ll clearly divide you lot even further lo. It’s only a 1 year loan let’s give the fellah a fighting chance eh, no doubt he’ll get slammed On here when he misses his first sitter but I’m sure to a man you’ll all cheer and celebrate like fuuck when he scores a 94th minute winner against the ruperts âš½ï¸âš½ï¸âš½ï¸ | | | |
| Andre Gray inbound on 16:06 - Sep 2 with 1846 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Andre Gray inbound on 15:56 - Sep 2 by superstan |
Why does everything get so analysed, ie Charlie’s non red card now this, can’t we just be happy rather than finding reasons to fault decisions. |
Because, dude, it's 2021, dude, and we're all woke marxists now. | |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 16:13 - Sep 2 with 1861 views | superstan |
| Andre Gray inbound on 16:06 - Sep 2 by SheffieldHoop |
Because, dude, it's 2021, dude, and we're all woke marxists now. |
Can I be offended you called me “dude”? | | | |
| Andre Gray inbound on 16:13 - Sep 2 with 1817 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Andre Gray inbound on 16:13 - Sep 2 by superstan |
Can I be offended you called me “dude”? |
Please do! | |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 17:02 - Sep 2 with 1722 views | QPR_Jim |
He plays for the Jamaican national team, it doesn't make him Jamaican.
As for the quotes, I'm sure he would say that when he decided to switch to playing for the Jamaican national team at 29 years old. it would be pretty ballsy to say "nah don't really care about Jamaica, it's just I've come to realise at 29, I'm not going to make it into the England squad which is where I would rather play. " | | | |
| Andre Gray inbound on 17:07 - Sep 2 with 1682 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Andre Gray inbound on 17:02 - Sep 2 by QPR_Jim |
He plays for the Jamaican national team, it doesn't make him Jamaican.
As for the quotes, I'm sure he would say that when he decided to switch to playing for the Jamaican national team at 29 years old. it would be pretty ballsy to say "nah don't really care about Jamaica, it's just I've come to realise at 29, I'm not going to make it into the England squad which is where I would rather play. " |
Why don't you just ask him yourself? | |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 17:42 - Sep 2 with 1609 views | aston_hoop |
| Andre Gray inbound on 15:51 - Sep 2 by danehoop |
I just put him (well I assume it's a him) on ignore. Quality of discussion seems to have improved for me as a result. |
Yeah good idea, have done the same to see if it helps. The constant pointless derailing of threads by bad-faith posters has made me think twice about bothering on here recently. The articles from Clive are good but its tiresome going through the content on here sometimes. |  |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 17:46 - Sep 2 with 1560 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Andre Gray inbound on 17:42 - Sep 2 by aston_hoop |
Yeah good idea, have done the same to see if it helps. The constant pointless derailing of threads by bad-faith posters has made me think twice about bothering on here recently. The articles from Clive are good but its tiresome going through the content on here sometimes. |
Sorry to derail 9 pages of hand wringing over a 10 year old tweet.....jesus | |
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| Andre Gray inbound on 09:03 - Sep 3 with 1253 views | themodfather |
another in a long line of players who have an impact, sign a huge deal and then drift about, nahki wells, hugill, ravel morrison, jordan rhodes come to mind jay bothroyd too....there;s no mney in staying at a club for a career, the agent gets more every time they move = cash. footballer for hire, have bentley and boots, willtravel. | | | |
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