| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund 14:22 - Jul 27 with 2366 views | Kerouac |
Bundesbank president Jens Weidmann has this to say;
"I generally consider collective debt for extensive transfers to be alarming,"
“At the very least, the package shouldn't serve as a stepping stone for large-scale EU debt for regular household financing."
“It is important that relief measures are limited."
“Then they automatically expire in the further course and the public finances stabilise again."
“They may be necessary now, but the state should withdraw quickly after the crisis."
“The state is not a better entrepreneur.”
Yannis Varoufakis says that the bail out fund is too tiny (once split up between 27 nations) to actually fix the problem.
It is estimated that the UK is £55bn better off as a result of not being one of the contributors to this fund.
Do any posters wish that we could have taken part?
Why would it have been advantageous to the UK to have been a part of this deal?
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 14:30 - Jul 27 with 1893 views | Badlands |
£55 billion os a gross exaggeration made up by right wing agitators.
That assumes we would get nothing back and the slower return to near normality to the general economy have no impact.
Seeing the rabid quitters quoting (partially) the president of the Bundersbank is hilarious.
So far the decision to leave the EU has cost the UK c £100billion a year and in return we have ... Tim Tams and a deal with Lichtenstein. |  |
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 14:32 - Jul 27 with 1899 views | Highjack |
They can do what they want. Nothing to do with us anymore thankfully. |  |
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 14:39 - Jul 27 with 1894 views | A_Fans_Dad |
I raised the same point on the lockdown thread. |  | | |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 14:43 - Jul 27 with 1885 views | onehunglow |
Great posting K.
Keep it up | |
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 14:44 - Jul 27 with 1888 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 14:30 - Jul 27 by Badlands |
£55 billion os a gross exaggeration made up by right wing agitators.
That assumes we would get nothing back and the slower return to near normality to the general economy have no impact.
Seeing the rabid quitters quoting (partially) the president of the Bundersbank is hilarious.
So far the decision to leave the EU has cost the UK c £100billion a year and in return we have ... Tim Tams and a deal with Lichtenstein. |
Please provide a detail breakdown of you "£100M a year" losses, so that we can all be educated.
As to the £55B, what do your think our contribution would have been to the £677billion coronavirus rescue deal, considering our previous percentage contributions to the EU Budget? [Post edited 27 Jul 2020 16:00]
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 15:35 - Jul 27 with 1859 views | Kerouac |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 14:30 - Jul 27 by Badlands |
£55 billion os a gross exaggeration made up by right wing agitators.
That assumes we would get nothing back and the slower return to near normality to the general economy have no impact.
Seeing the rabid quitters quoting (partially) the president of the Bundersbank is hilarious.
So far the decision to leave the EU has cost the UK c £100billion a year and in return we have ... Tim Tams and a deal with Lichtenstein. |
Germany's chief central banker disagrees with the premise of the 'Corona Virus' bail out fund...
The EU now has the power to set taxes for citizens of nation states who were never asked whether they permitted an organisation outside of their government to be granted those powers...
What is not relevant and what is so hilarious?
If we had not voted out of the EU we (that's you and me and every other poster on here) would be paying not just for our own country's Corona Virus bill, but for France, Italy and Spain etc. as well.
Do you think we can afford that?
As 'A_Fans_Dad' asked. Where does the £100bn a year figure come from? | |
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 16:09 - Jul 27 with 1837 views | pikeypaul |
Thank god we are out.
And even now when all’s been laid bare we see remoaner losers still want to hand them billions.
Bad week for the losers, what with all that Russian influence proven to be totally unfounded BS and totally made up with absolutely zero evidence by the anti democracy remoaners.
Thank god Bojo and Sir Dominic got Brexit done.
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 16:39 - Jul 27 with 1813 views | OptimisticJack |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 16:09 - Jul 27 by pikeypaul |
Thank god we are out.
And even now when all’s been laid bare we see remoaner losers still want to hand them billions.
Bad week for the losers, what with all that Russian influence proven to be totally unfounded BS and totally made up with absolutely zero evidence by the anti democracy remoaners.
Thank god Bojo and Sir Dominic got Brexit done.
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As time progresses the more I think we dodged a bullet voting for Brexit.
EU and the Euro in decline. | |
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 17:06 - Jul 27 with 1794 views | onehunglow |
Pikey.
Good to engage with you again.
I voted to remain but accept we move on.
I just wish others would accept the plebiscite.
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 17:26 - Jul 27 with 1780 views | Nortbankboy |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 16:09 - Jul 27 by pikeypaul |
Thank god we are out.
And even now when all’s been laid bare we see remoaner losers still want to hand them billions.
Bad week for the losers, what with all that Russian influence proven to be totally unfounded BS and totally made up with absolutely zero evidence by the anti democracy remoaners.
Thank god Bojo and Sir Dominic got Brexit done.
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Good job Boris is as good as word and is putting
£350 million a week in the NHS.. | | | |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 17:39 - Jul 27 with 1773 views | onehunglow |
The NHS is a political edifice that is used for political ends.We 've even seen doctors making politically motivated comments .
There will never be enough money to put into the NHS,
The wastage is appalling ,staggering and no government have fully addressed this
We need to charge pissheads,druggies and the dross that assault A@E staff every night of the week. | |
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 17:42 - Jul 27 with 1775 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 17:26 - Jul 27 by Nortbankboy |
Good job Boris is as good as word and is putting
£350 million a week in the NHS.. |
Well, when the UK is actually out of the EU he may be able to.
But in the mean time they have spent over £15bn on the NHS during the COVID-19 pandemic, I will leave you to work out how much that is each week. | | | |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 17:47 - Jul 27 with 1771 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 17:39 - Jul 27 by onehunglow |
The NHS is a political edifice that is used for political ends.We 've even seen doctors making politically motivated comments .
There will never be enough money to put into the NHS,
The wastage is appalling ,staggering and no government have fully addressed this
We need to charge pissheads,druggies and the dross that assault A@E staff every night of the week. |
Wow, someone on my wave length on charging wasters, you forgot the medical tourists who hardly ever pay for their health service when here.
There should also be a requirement for medical insurance for those who partake of outrageous sports/pastimes that take really unesessary risks to life & limb.
Having many different trusts immediately increases management costs massively at the detriment of the front line. | | | |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 18:11 - Jul 27 with 1755 views | onehunglow |
You must bear in mind when I was a Plod,when I wasnt beating up miners/gays I was stationed -doing overtime,at Arrowe Park hospital with no duty other than to assist the staff as the "poor/deprived from the sink estates popped up,fighting in the ambo,slaughtering the reception staff and vomitting over kids having fallen off their bikes earlier.
I actually asked one cretin why and his replied honestly "it s a uniform mate .Have a sis in law who was /is a nurse and shoving a needle in painfully or allowing a "pised up patient to suffer a little is little more than a straight forward dismissal job.
I d also charge for unnecessary ambulance journeys.
We accept anyone for treatment.
Try that in downtown Tucson | |
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 18:26 - Jul 27 with 1751 views | Catullus |
Our percentage of the EU budget in 2019 was 11.88%, if that was how they worked out the bailout our share would have been over 80 billion. If everyon had to pay an equal share it's about 25 billion. The poor countries probably account for very little of it which is why the frugal four were so against it. Germany being against it saw Merkel cop some flak for it, it was suggested if she failed to get it through their parliament it could even trigger an early election.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15093480
This bailout causes as many problems as it fixes, maybe more. Italy is already seeing bigger problems than expected, some media have called it a crisis. The anti EU iIalian politicians were vocal about it,
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-esm/update-1-eu-bailout
Some remainers always dismissed or ignored suggestions that the EU had problems and it was on a slippery slope. Time will tell. | |
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 18:28 - Jul 27 with 1747 views | Nortbankboy |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 17:42 - Jul 27 by A_Fans_Dad |
Well, when the UK is actually out of the EU he may be able to.
But in the mean time they have spent over £15bn on the NHS during the COVID-19 pandemic, I will leave you to work out how much that is each week. |
Never mind it will off the it hands now.
When they sell out to the yanks to get a trade deal!
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 18:57 - Jul 27 with 1733 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 18:28 - Jul 27 by Nortbankboy |
Never mind it will off the it hands now.
When they sell out to the yanks to get a trade deal!
America's dupe |
You are totally clueless and brainwashed.
It is pointless discussing it with you. | | | |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 22:32 - Jul 27 with 1698 views | felixstowe_jack |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 17:26 - Jul 27 by Nortbankboy |
Good job Boris is as good as word and is putting
£350 million a week in the NHS.. |
He is putting far more than that into the NHS at the moment. | |
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 22:36 - Jul 27 with 1694 views | felixstowe_jack |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 18:28 - Jul 27 by Nortbankboy |
Never mind it will off the it hands now.
When they sell out to the yanks to get a trade deal!
America's dupe |
Why would any American company want to buy the NHS which is a bottomless money pit. | |
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 23:06 - Jul 27 with 1678 views | pikeypaul |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 18:57 - Jul 27 by A_Fans_Dad |
You are totally clueless and brainwashed.
It is pointless discussing it with you. |
100%, he’s the type that would have believed the groundless , fabricated accusations that the Russians got Brexit done and it was nothing to do with the will of the Great British publics Democratic wish.
Still a lot of remoaners who have not apologised for that slander.
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 12:26 - Jul 28 with 1622 views | NeathJack |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 23:06 - Jul 27 by pikeypaul |
100%, he’s the type that would have believed the groundless , fabricated accusations that the Russians got Brexit done and it was nothing to do with the will of the Great British publics Democratic wish.
Still a lot of remoaners who have not apologised for that slander.
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Hold up a second.
Am I missing something here but didn't the Russia report specifically castigate the government for making a point of not investigating to see if and how Russia has influenced such things as the Brexit referendum, rather than stating anything about "groundless, fabricated accusations"? |  | | |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 12:59 - Jul 28 with 1611 views | Catullus |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 12:26 - Jul 28 by NeathJack |
Hold up a second.
Am I missing something here but didn't the Russia report specifically castigate the government for making a point of not investigating to see if and how Russia has influenced such things as the Brexit referendum, rather than stating anything about "groundless, fabricated accusations"? |
Not investigating was wrong but still, if there is no evidence, no proof then any accusations are groundless.
If it was a government cover up then any evidence they know about is well buried.
I could accuse the USA of interfering in Brexit but there is Obama's statement which is a direct attempt to influence the outcome at the behest of our PM. Maybe we should judt think of the Russians and the USA as the ying and the yang of the argument. We cannot prove many things but still we believe them. | |
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 13:01 - Jul 28 with 1610 views | Catullus |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 22:36 - Jul 27 by felixstowe_jack |
Why would any American company want to buy the NHS which is a bottomless money pit. |
It's a bottomless pit for public money which makes it a massive profit maker it we had to pay for our treatment. It'd be worth many billions to USA health providers if they could get their sticky fingers into it. | |
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 23:04 - Aug 3 with 1491 views | pikeypaul |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 12:26 - Jul 28 by NeathJack |
Hold up a second.
Am I missing something here but didn't the Russia report specifically castigate the government for making a point of not investigating to see if and how Russia has influenced such things as the Brexit referendum, rather than stating anything about "groundless, fabricated accusations"? |
Yes your missing the fact that all the accusations were groundless and made up by the remoaners.
Was the fact that the then president of the USA was trying to influence the result investigated ?
It’s strange but not surprising how the remoaners are happy and find it OK for the USA to try to influence the result which there is proof of, yet they cry foul with no evidence of Russia doing the same.
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| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 08:35 - Aug 6 with 1370 views | felixstowe_jack |
| EU Corona Virus Bail Out Fund on 13:01 - Jul 28 by Catullus |
It's a bottomless pit for public money which makes it a massive profit maker it we had to pay for our treatment. It'd be worth many billions to USA health providers if they could get their sticky fingers into it. |
Who is going to pay for treatment when they get it for free? When the NHS was set up it was designed as a safety net for those who could not afford medical insurance or pay for treatment. Very soon the people who were paying for treatment or insurance just stopped paying when they realised they could get it free. | |
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