| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly 18:04 - May 18 with 117529 views | krunchykarrot |
The time has come, second rate at best. |  | | |  |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 16:31 - Dec 3 with 1577 views | Catullus |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 13:47 - Dec 2 by trampie |
You want a UK wide approach, yet certain areas have specific problems just related to that area, a UK wide approach is an English approach because of size and weight of numbers and they wanted herd immunity, it was the Celtic counties taking a hard line in comparison that led England to rethink and then follow what the Celtic counties were doing. |
Hard line you say, what is hard line about setting rules then publicly saying they won't be enforced?
If Drakeford was following the science he wouldn't have shut every shop or said we'll have a firebreak so we can have a proper Christmas because it's spread more at home than anywhere else.
We couldn't buy non essential goods he said then proceeded to allow alcohol and fireworks to be sold, we could buy tins of beans but not a tin opener.
Read this from full fact,
https://fullfact.org/health/its-wrong-to-say-that-only-3-of-covid-19-cases-are-c
Thi extract, "The PHE report also says that, since 10 August, all people who test positive for Covid-19 and are traced by the Test and Trace system in England are asked about “places they have been and activities they have done in the days before becoming unwell (in the 2-7 days prior to symptom onset).”
It adds: “Although this can’t say for certain if this is where someone picked up the infection, the information may be helpful to indicate possible places where transmission is happening.”
Between 10 August and 24 September, the most common event recorded was eating out, reported by 14.6% of people who tested positive, followed by shopping, reported by 13.4%. "
So 28% of all cases are linked to hospitality and shopping. That's 72% that were picked up where? So how is closing all shops and pubs following the science?
Like I kept saying, make the rules then come down hard on those that break them. Close places down (for breaching rules) for a month.
They made businesses spend huge sums trying to be safe then closed them anyway. |  |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 17:37 - Dec 3 with 1554 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 16:31 - Dec 3 by Catullus |
Hard line you say, what is hard line about setting rules then publicly saying they won't be enforced?
If Drakeford was following the science he wouldn't have shut every shop or said we'll have a firebreak so we can have a proper Christmas because it's spread more at home than anywhere else.
We couldn't buy non essential goods he said then proceeded to allow alcohol and fireworks to be sold, we could buy tins of beans but not a tin opener.
Read this from full fact,
https://fullfact.org/health/its-wrong-to-say-that-only-3-of-covid-19-cases-are-c
Thi extract, "The PHE report also says that, since 10 August, all people who test positive for Covid-19 and are traced by the Test and Trace system in England are asked about “places they have been and activities they have done in the days before becoming unwell (in the 2-7 days prior to symptom onset).”
It adds: “Although this can’t say for certain if this is where someone picked up the infection, the information may be helpful to indicate possible places where transmission is happening.”
Between 10 August and 24 September, the most common event recorded was eating out, reported by 14.6% of people who tested positive, followed by shopping, reported by 13.4%. "
So 28% of all cases are linked to hospitality and shopping. That's 72% that were picked up where? So how is closing all shops and pubs following the science?
Like I kept saying, make the rules then come down hard on those that break them. Close places down (for breaching rules) for a month.
They made businesses spend huge sums trying to be safe then closed them anyway. |
So you wanted to keep shops and hospitality open ? (which is potentially responsible for 28% of all cases). |  |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 20:44 - Dec 3 with 1537 views | Andy1300 |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 14:46 - Dec 3 by felixstowe_jack |
From Friday Welsh drinkers can travel to England to enjoy pubs but cannot drink in Welsh pubs. Not sure what this will do to the Welsh economy but will certainly help the economy of pubs close to the border. |
Just shows how utterly pathetic these rules are, dopey needs to go ASAP |  |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 08:57 - Dec 4 with 1487 views | felixstowe_jack |
Drakeford has now banned the hospitality advertising campaign for Christmas. Bet this is not discussed or voted on in the senedd. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 09:33 - Dec 4 with 1478 views | Boundy |
potentially or is ?, you know there's a difference between the two | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 13:53 - Dec 4 with 1450 views | Catullus |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 17:37 - Dec 3 by trampie |
So you wanted to keep shops and hospitality open ? (which is potentially responsible for 28% of all cases). |
That would be better than closing down and maybe ruining the economy and peoples lives but allowing the places where 72% of cases come from to have even more relaxed rules.
What would you do, tell families sorry but Christmas is cancelled or tell them to carry on, have 2 other families around but say goodbye to grandpa and grandma just in case?
Have you seen todays figures, it's bad and getting worse.
I can tell you something for nothing, we'll not go anywhere this Christmas nor will we have anyone else here. It'll be the 3 of us and that's it. We're having shopping delivered on the 21st to see us through to the new year, our Christmas shopping is done, presents in cupboards ready to go with hardly a shop visited.
You take care Trampie, I hope you don't lose anybody to Drakefords folly. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 14:22 - Dec 4 with 1441 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 13:53 - Dec 4 by Catullus |
That would be better than closing down and maybe ruining the economy and peoples lives but allowing the places where 72% of cases come from to have even more relaxed rules.
What would you do, tell families sorry but Christmas is cancelled or tell them to carry on, have 2 other families around but say goodbye to grandpa and grandma just in case?
Have you seen todays figures, it's bad and getting worse.
I can tell you something for nothing, we'll not go anywhere this Christmas nor will we have anyone else here. It'll be the 3 of us and that's it. We're having shopping delivered on the 21st to see us through to the new year, our Christmas shopping is done, presents in cupboards ready to go with hardly a shop visited.
You take care Trampie, I hope you don't lose anybody to Drakefords folly. |
Yes I would tell everybody Xmas is cancelled and I would shut down all nonessential parts of the economy, we have a vaccine due out anytime now, no point putting people at risk at this late stage, Xmas is just another day, lock it down and save lives. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 17:55 - Dec 4 with 1415 views | raynor94 |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 14:22 - Dec 4 by trampie |
Yes I would tell everybody Xmas is cancelled and I would shut down all nonessential parts of the economy, we have a vaccine due out anytime now, no point putting people at risk at this late stage, Xmas is just another day, lock it down and save lives. |
With your views, out of interest, what do you do for a living? |  |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:21 - Dec 4 with 1410 views | Andy1300 |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 14:22 - Dec 4 by trampie |
Yes I would tell everybody Xmas is cancelled and I would shut down all nonessential parts of the economy, we have a vaccine due out anytime now, no point putting people at risk at this late stage, Xmas is just another day, lock it down and save lives. |
Your life must be such fun. The vaccine won’t reach most for months, you can’t lockdown forever. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:25 - Dec 4 with 1402 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:21 - Dec 4 by Andy1300 |
Your life must be such fun. The vaccine won’t reach most for months, you can’t lockdown forever. |
It won't be forever, we have a vaccine. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:26 - Dec 4 with 1401 views | lifelong |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:21 - Dec 4 by Andy1300 |
Your life must be such fun. The vaccine won’t reach most for months, you can’t lockdown forever. |
Your life must be a bundle of laughs also, a member of the let’s kill off the over 70’s and devastate the NHS brigade. |  | | |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:26 - Dec 4 with 1401 views | raynor94 |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:25 - Dec 4 by trampie |
It won't be forever, we have a vaccine. |
So what do you do for employment Tramps? | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:44 - Dec 4 with 1388 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:26 - Dec 4 by raynor94 |
So what do you do for employment Tramps? |
Too much that is what I do.
I work in heavy industry, thinking about it, I've always worked in heavy industry apart from a short period of being between heavy industry jobs. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:02 - Dec 4 with 1381 views | raynor94 |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:44 - Dec 4 by trampie |
Too much that is what I do.
I work in heavy industry, thinking about it, I've always worked in heavy industry apart from a short period of being between heavy industry jobs. |
Same as me then, I'm just a bit mystified by your close everything down stance.
In my view Drakeford is killing off the Welsh economy, and it's going to take years to try to get it back. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:21 - Dec 4 with 1372 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:02 - Dec 4 by raynor94 |
Same as me then, I'm just a bit mystified by your close everything down stance.
In my view Drakeford is killing off the Welsh economy, and it's going to take years to try to get it back. |
I don't close anything down, I have my views and I will back them up but I will listen and weigh up counter arguments, I will walk in another mans shoes so to speak. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:35 - Dec 4 with 1368 views | Catullus |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:21 - Dec 4 by trampie |
I don't close anything down, I have my views and I will back them up but I will listen and weigh up counter arguments, I will walk in another mans shoes so to speak. |
I'm not quite sure you've understood. I believe Raynor is mystified by you saying cancel Christmas and close all business down.
I may be wrong. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:53 - Dec 4 with 1363 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:35 - Dec 4 by Catullus |
I'm not quite sure you've understood. I believe Raynor is mystified by you saying cancel Christmas and close all business down.
I may be wrong. |
Cancel Xmas and save lives. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 21:01 - Dec 4 with 1347 views | Andy1300 |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:25 - Dec 4 by trampie |
It won't be forever, we have a vaccine. |
Yet they say that you would still have to isolate, some vaccine! | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 21:03 - Dec 4 with 1344 views | Andy1300 |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:26 - Dec 4 by lifelong |
Your life must be a bundle of laughs also, a member of the let’s kill off the over 70’s and devastate the NHS brigade. |
Not at all, the over 70s can shield and the rest of the country, the ones who have jobs etc, can get on with life, the virus has a survival rate of over 95% | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 21:05 - Dec 4 with 1338 views | Andy1300 |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:53 - Dec 4 by trampie |
Cancel Xmas and save lives. |
Shame you don’t preach the same way about the flu killing tens of thousands every year, some years as many as covid | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 21:39 - Dec 4 with 1318 views | Catullus |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:53 - Dec 4 by trampie |
Cancel Xmas and save lives. |
Or maybe don't allow bubbles of 3 families and leave safe businesses open, enforce the rules and save lives without detsroying small buinesses. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 21:58 - Dec 4 with 1312 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 21:05 - Dec 4 by Andy1300 |
Shame you don’t preach the same way about the flu killing tens of thousands every year, some years as many as covid |
Oh I do preach about the flu, flu is a massive killer that society puts up with for some reason, I would have no issue with flu lockdowns if there was a dangerous strain about. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 08:35 - Dec 5 with 1274 views | Andy1300 |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 21:58 - Dec 4 by trampie |
Oh I do preach about the flu, flu is a massive killer that society puts up with for some reason, I would have no issue with flu lockdowns if there was a dangerous strain about. |
Remember this? How they made up the covid deaths, they then used these false figures to enforce lockdown
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 09:37 - Dec 5 with 1255 views | pencoedjack |
The Drakeford loving brigade will not respond to the clear facts in that article. |  | | |
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