| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly 18:04 - May 18 with 117542 views | krunchykarrot |
The time has come, second rate at best. |  | | |  |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 16:32 - Oct 1 with 1534 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 15:23 - Oct 1 by BarrySwan |
Directly elected MEPs do not make the decisions and such a statement basically shows your lack of understanding of the EU.
They are no more than a front to pretend that the EU is a democratic institution to an often unsuspecting and gullible public, people such as yourself I suppose.
MEPs and the EU parliament cannot raise any legislation only try to amend it with their votes and suggestions often just ignored as suits
As a simple example just like the twice the MEPs voted to stop the obscene waste of resources and money transporting the whole circus to Strasbourg every month.
Two votes just ignored.
So explain to me and everybody else how MEPs make decisions? [Post edited 1 Oct 2020 15:24]
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They vote for or against or amend proposals. |  |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 16:34 - Oct 1 with 1534 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 21:42 - Sep 30 by Catullus |
Kilk would rather sign us over to unelected Eurocrats than have an elected parliament in England making decisions.
He always rails against the UK even though most Welsh people want to be in it. He'd give full control to Drakeford, which, to be fair, would leave us in no doubt who made the mess of things! |
Just a minor point an elected British parliament that happens to sit in London. England has no parliament or devolution. |  |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 16:37 - Oct 1 with 1531 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 16:32 - Oct 1 by trampie |
They vote for or against or amend proposals. |
Which the EU ignore 99% of the time. The EU parliament has voted not to accept the EU budgets for years but are ignored. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 17:02 - Oct 1 with 1513 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 16:37 - Oct 1 by felixstowe_jack |
Which the EU ignore 99% of the time. The EU parliament has voted not to accept the EU budgets for years but are ignored. |
They are more accountable and elected than the the English, the English have a monarchy, the English have a state religion, the English have a house of Lords, the English have hundreds of thousands of civil servants.
Most things in life are all relative and over here we don't stack up well for accountability, we have had politicians vote for war when they recon that the people wouldn't, politicians continued to do away with capital punishment when for many years they recon the people wanted it. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 17:24 - Oct 1 with 1500 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 17:02 - Oct 1 by trampie |
They are more accountable and elected than the the English, the English have a monarchy, the English have a state religion, the English have a house of Lords, the English have hundreds of thousands of civil servants.
Most things in life are all relative and over here we don't stack up well for accountability, we have had politicians vote for war when they recon that the people wouldn't, politicians continued to do away with capital punishment when for many years they recon the people wanted it. |
The house of lords is the second house in the British Parliament. England has not had it's own Parliament since the act of union with Scotland. Do try to at least understand the situation not make up your own version . | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 17:35 - Oct 1 with 1496 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 17:24 - Oct 1 by felixstowe_jack |
The house of lords is the second house in the British Parliament. England has not had it's own Parliament since the act of union with Scotland. Do try to at least understand the situation not make up your own version . |
Our UK Parliament is English run, due to weight of numbers. [Post edited 1 Oct 2020 18:04]
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:05 - Oct 1 with 1485 views | Catullus |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 17:02 - Oct 1 by trampie |
They are more accountable and elected than the the English, the English have a monarchy, the English have a state religion, the English have a house of Lords, the English have hundreds of thousands of civil servants.
Most things in life are all relative and over here we don't stack up well for accountability, we have had politicians vote for war when they recon that the people wouldn't, politicians continued to do away with capital punishment when for many years they recon the people wanted it. |
More accountabel and elected? Did youget a vote on the EU president then? Von der Leyen wasn't even a nominee to start with, she was parachuted in by Germany at the last minute and even in being the only nominee she only just scraped throught the MEP's vote. Which of the Commission did you vote for?
Then, if the people don't get a vote on it, how are they more accountable? Accountable to whom exactly? Not the people which doesn't exactly tally with democracy. Democracy, from the Greek, "Demos" meaning people "kratos" meaning power. Those EU "ministers were never elected by the people so are not accountable to us, they are only accountable to the MEP's and each other. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:08 - Oct 1 with 1482 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:05 - Oct 1 by Catullus |
More accountabel and elected? Did youget a vote on the EU president then? Von der Leyen wasn't even a nominee to start with, she was parachuted in by Germany at the last minute and even in being the only nominee she only just scraped throught the MEP's vote. Which of the Commission did you vote for?
Then, if the people don't get a vote on it, how are they more accountable? Accountable to whom exactly? Not the people which doesn't exactly tally with democracy. Democracy, from the Greek, "Demos" meaning people "kratos" meaning power. Those EU "ministers were never elected by the people so are not accountable to us, they are only accountable to the MEP's and each other. |
I didn't get a vote on the Prime Minister of this country either. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:04 - Oct 1 with 1465 views | Andy1300 |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:05 - Oct 1 by Catullus |
More accountabel and elected? Did youget a vote on the EU president then? Von der Leyen wasn't even a nominee to start with, she was parachuted in by Germany at the last minute and even in being the only nominee she only just scraped throught the MEP's vote. Which of the Commission did you vote for?
Then, if the people don't get a vote on it, how are they more accountable? Accountable to whom exactly? Not the people which doesn't exactly tally with democracy. Democracy, from the Greek, "Demos" meaning people "kratos" meaning power. Those EU "ministers were never elected by the people so are not accountable to us, they are only accountable to the MEP's and each other. |
Why anyone would want to be a part of this mob is beyond belief
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:37 - Oct 1 with 1457 views | Catullus |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:08 - Oct 1 by trampie |
I didn't get a vote on the Prime Minister of this country either. |
Why not? Or rather yes you did if you qualified to vote here. At the General election voting Tory meant having Bojo for PM, it was a given. If you voted for an MEP you wouldn't have had a clue who the next President would be. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:49 - Oct 1 with 1448 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:37 - Oct 1 by Catullus |
Why not? Or rather yes you did if you qualified to vote here. At the General election voting Tory meant having Bojo for PM, it was a given. If you voted for an MEP you wouldn't have had a clue who the next President would be. |
Bojo originally became Prime Minister without winning a General Election, hmm I think May before him became Prime Minister without winning a General Election as well, come to think of it the same applied to Gordon Brown.
That is 3 of the last 4 PM's that were not leaders of their parties when their parties won their respective General Elections but got the job anyway at a later date, it happens all the time.
We vote for a party, we don't vote for a Prime Minister per se. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 20:51 - Oct 1 with 1434 views | BarrySwan |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 16:32 - Oct 1 by trampie |
They vote for or against or amend proposals. |
But their voted on decisions can and very often are totally ignored by the unelected bureaucrats who proposed the laws in the first place.
As in the example that I pointed out above.
So what's the point of them voting on anything? If only votes that are agreeable to those who are unelected and wield the real power are acceptable?
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 20:58 - Oct 1 with 1424 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 20:51 - Oct 1 by BarrySwan |
But their voted on decisions can and very often are totally ignored by the unelected bureaucrats who proposed the laws in the first place.
As in the example that I pointed out above.
So what's the point of them voting on anything? If only votes that are agreeable to those who are unelected and wield the real power are acceptable?
[Post edited 1 Oct 2020 20:57]
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https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseupr/2019/02/19/is-the-european-union-governed-by-unel | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 22:39 - Oct 1 with 1402 views | BarrySwan |
I can only assume that you didn't bother to read your own link.
Thank you for more or less confirming my point.
I must confess that I thought that maybe I was missing somthing that you were highlighting when reading it but the very first comment following the article confirms that perhaps I wasn't and that you really had put up an article that more less confirms what I've been pointing out.
I'll leave you with the words of Mr Billy Collins whoever that may be, the aforementioned commentator on the article that you posted the link to :-
Billy Collins May 29, 2019 at 11:42 am - Reply
What was the point of this? You basically just explained that the EU really IS governed by “unelected beauracrats”. Just because that isn’t the long form term for them, doesn’t mean it isn’t a short term to describe them. You try to use the word “indirectly” to tip toe around just saying it straight: They are not elected, and not really accountable to anyone.
The members of the Commission are not elected by the people, yet they are the ONLY ones who can propose legislation. The Council of the EU, also composed of people who were unelected, can approve the legislation. In many national government there are members who are directly elected and others that aren’t, however in the Commission not a single one of them is elected by the people.
The only ones who are really elected by the people are the MEPs. Yet they have no power over what legislation is proposed, nor any power over the policy direction.
Also, “indirectly forced to resign” just means not really forced.They resigned because they were pressured to, not because anyone actually had the authority to force it upon them. They could have just ignored the pressure and stayed if they wanted to.
At no point did you say that anyone who was explicitly elected by the people actually has any genuine authority over these people, especially the Commission. Either they are accountable or they are not. Being able to “scrutinise” is not genuine accountability, so don’t try to sell it as if it is. Anyone can scrutinise, but the commission doesn’t have to listen.
Ultimately, at least for the Commission and Council, it’s all just a matter of trusting that these people will act in good faith. And if they don’t? | | | |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 00:00 - Oct 2 with 1382 views | trampie |
33,000 Euro bureaucrats plays 400,000 UK ones is it. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 13:33 - Oct 2 with 1327 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 00:00 - Oct 2 by trampie |
33,000 Euro bureaucrats plays 400,000 UK ones is it. |
33000 unnecessary buearacrats as opposed to each of the 28 EU countries own government employees do proper work. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 13:37 - Oct 2 with 1325 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 22:39 - Oct 1 by BarrySwan |
I can only assume that you didn't bother to read your own link.
Thank you for more or less confirming my point.
I must confess that I thought that maybe I was missing somthing that you were highlighting when reading it but the very first comment following the article confirms that perhaps I wasn't and that you really had put up an article that more less confirms what I've been pointing out.
I'll leave you with the words of Mr Billy Collins whoever that may be, the aforementioned commentator on the article that you posted the link to :-
Billy Collins May 29, 2019 at 11:42 am - Reply
What was the point of this? You basically just explained that the EU really IS governed by “unelected beauracrats”. Just because that isn’t the long form term for them, doesn’t mean it isn’t a short term to describe them. You try to use the word “indirectly” to tip toe around just saying it straight: They are not elected, and not really accountable to anyone.
The members of the Commission are not elected by the people, yet they are the ONLY ones who can propose legislation. The Council of the EU, also composed of people who were unelected, can approve the legislation. In many national government there are members who are directly elected and others that aren’t, however in the Commission not a single one of them is elected by the people.
The only ones who are really elected by the people are the MEPs. Yet they have no power over what legislation is proposed, nor any power over the policy direction.
Also, “indirectly forced to resign” just means not really forced.They resigned because they were pressured to, not because anyone actually had the authority to force it upon them. They could have just ignored the pressure and stayed if they wanted to.
At no point did you say that anyone who was explicitly elected by the people actually has any genuine authority over these people, especially the Commission. Either they are accountable or they are not. Being able to “scrutinise” is not genuine accountability, so don’t try to sell it as if it is. Anyone can scrutinise, but the commission doesn’t have to listen.
Ultimately, at least for the Commission and Council, it’s all just a matter of trusting that these people will act in good faith. And if they don’t? |
Brilliant post sums up why the EU is undemocratic perfectly. No do the the EU fanatics will miss the point again. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 13:37 - Oct 2 with 1325 views | onehunglow |
Wales will never ever be an independent sovereign country.
Some are refusing to accept that .Nothing intrinsically wrong with that as its that passion for the homeland and excessive passion for homeland leads to disaster.
We are the world.
Wales is a speck on the surface of the globe in every way. Fact. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 13:54 - Oct 2 with 1314 views | Catullus |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:49 - Oct 1 by trampie |
Bojo originally became Prime Minister without winning a General Election, hmm I think May before him became Prime Minister without winning a General Election as well, come to think of it the same applied to Gordon Brown.
That is 3 of the last 4 PM's that were not leaders of their parties when their parties won their respective General Elections but got the job anyway at a later date, it happens all the time.
We vote for a party, we don't vote for a Prime Minister per se. |
The leader of the party at the time of the vote becomes PM. I can agree that if a PM resigns it should trigger a GE but now we have the fixed term thing.
It's another problem with UK politics that needs fixing. Up there along with not being able to sack MP's when they do stupid things like commit perjury or take a ride on a train when they know they are covid positive! | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 14:04 - Oct 2 with 1306 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 13:54 - Oct 2 by Catullus |
The leader of the party at the time of the vote becomes PM. I can agree that if a PM resigns it should trigger a GE but now we have the fixed term thing.
It's another problem with UK politics that needs fixing. Up there along with not being able to sack MP's when they do stupid things like commit perjury or take a ride on a train when they know they are covid positive! |
Was Bojo on your ballot paper at the last general election ?, he was not on mine, we don't vote for a PM | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 22:39 - Oct 2 with 1269 views | felixstowe_jack |
You have to laugh at the latest outpouring from Plaid. They are blaming Westminster for the spread of virus in Wales . Does he not know health matters in Wales are devolved to the Welsh Assembly which is run by a coalition of Labour and Plaid.
Cases per 100,000 of population
WALES 788
ENGLAND 708
NI 680
SCOTLAND 561.
Clearly the longer and more draconian lockdown measures in Wales have failed. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 08:10 - Oct 3 with 1247 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 22:39 - Oct 2 by felixstowe_jack |
You have to laugh at the latest outpouring from Plaid. They are blaming Westminster for the spread of virus in Wales . Does he not know health matters in Wales are devolved to the Welsh Assembly which is run by a coalition of Labour and Plaid.
Cases per 100,000 of population
WALES 788
ENGLAND 708
NI 680
SCOTLAND 561.
Clearly the longer and more draconian lockdown measures in Wales have failed. |
Last I heard Labour was running a minority Government in Wales.
Lots of the population in Wales live in the South Wales valleys with lots of terraced houses huddled together with more of an open culture of popping into each others houses and granny living in the family home than some other areas of the UK. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 09:46 - Oct 3 with 1235 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 08:10 - Oct 3 by trampie |
Last I heard Labour was running a minority Government in Wales.
Lots of the population in Wales live in the South Wales valleys with lots of terraced houses huddled together with more of an open culture of popping into each others houses and granny living in the family home than some other areas of the UK. |
Yes you are correct labour is a minority party with 29 seats supported by by Plaid with 10 seats. Labour rely on plaid for a majority.
Not sure what point you making about terraced house in Wales it is not as if most large English towns and cities do no have terraced houses. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 10:27 - Oct 3 with 1223 views | trampie |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 09:46 - Oct 3 by felixstowe_jack |
Yes you are correct labour is a minority party with 29 seats supported by by Plaid with 10 seats. Labour rely on plaid for a majority.
Not sure what point you making about terraced house in Wales it is not as if most large English towns and cities do no have terraced houses. |
They are not supported by Plaid, they tend to be supported by the Lib-Dem mind.
The Welsh are tactile unlike the aloof stiff upper lip English,
which according to some also came into play with the Spanish and Italians compared to the Germans and the spread of Corona. | |
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| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 08:27 - Oct 6 with 1162 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 10:27 - Oct 3 by trampie |
They are not supported by Plaid, they tend to be supported by the Lib-Dem mind.
The Welsh are tactile unlike the aloof stiff upper lip English,
which according to some also came into play with the Spanish and Italians compared to the Germans and the spread of Corona. |
Is that why Wales has the highest infection rate per 100,000 of any of the four home countries
1) Wales
2) England
3) NI
4) Scotland
You would have thought Wales would have been the lowest if the Welsh Assembly had be effective given most of Wales has a low population density and small cities. | |
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