| Clydach murders on 21:40 - Jul 5 with 19508 views | Jackfath |
Did he not do it then? |  |
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| Clydach murders on 21:43 - Jul 5 with 19491 views | Swanzay |
| Clydach murders on 21:40 - Jul 5 by Jackfath |
Did he not do it then? |
Maybe.. |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 22:10 - Jul 5 with 19443 views | exhmrc1 |
2 juries with 2 separate judges unanimously believe he did. They were at the trial. The people of Swansea werent |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 22:23 - Jul 5 with 19402 views | pikeypaul |
I was on a jury service 10 years ago when after a 2 day a long deliberation the charged person was found not guilty
despite the thoughts of a few of us he was guilty.
He approached me a few months later in a bar in Swansea and told me that of course he did it and how stupid the jury were I told him I know you did it. Karma did strike since two years later he killed himself.
The jury system is a joke and after this experience I found a way out of doing it again 5 years ago.
I was talking to an ex met officer only last week who also said what a complete joke the jury system is and I have 1st hand experience to confirm this to be true. [Post edited 5 Jul 2018 22:27]
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| Clydach murders on 22:30 - Jul 5 with 19382 views | Banosswan |
| Clydach murders on 21:43 - Jul 5 by Swanzay |
Maybe.. |
Definitely |  |
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| Clydach murders on 22:35 - Jul 5 with 19361 views | Yossarian |
People read a few dubious books (which by necessity are of limited factual scope) and they buy the proposition of the project- that the person convicted is innocent and a huge conspiracy has resulted in a miscarriage of justice. Two juries have heard the evidence and the most distinguished members of the Judiciary have seen material NOT disclosed at Trial. The person remains convicted, and the those behind these books have made a modest few bob. Enough said. |  |
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| Clydach murders on 22:36 - Jul 5 with 19357 views | Gowerjack |
If the book about be case is to be believed there is DNA evidence on the murder weapon and spent matches found at the house.
Why hasn't this evidence been more fully examined?
Alison Lewis was put at the scene by 4 seperate witnesses at least 3 hours before she claimed to have arrived. She even hugged one of them.
All stated she appeared to have just showered and washed her hair.
The judge stated all these witnesses must have been mistaken..
It's all very odd . [Post edited 5 Jul 2018 22:39]
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| Clydach murders on 22:46 - Jul 5 with 19319 views | pikeypaul |
So who else would be in the frame if it were not him? | |
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| Clydach murders on 23:10 - Jul 5 with 19264 views | moonie |
Not guilty does not mean innocent | | | |
| Clydach murders on 23:24 - Jul 5 with 19219 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Clydach murders on 23:10 - Jul 5 by moonie |
Not guilty does not mean innocent |
How do u explain the seeming absence of forensic evidence ? |  |
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| Clydach murders on 23:25 - Jul 5 with 19233 views | owainglyndwr |
Sounds odd I know but he could be guilty.
being brought up and family still live in Clydach.
peoples fingers still point to the police and the Lewis's
There is something not right here |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 23:38 - Jul 5 with 19197 views | Badlands |
| Clydach murders on 23:10 - Jul 5 by moonie |
Not guilty does not mean innocent |
Legally, in England and Wales, it does.
Not proven can be given in Scotland.
But some people always think they know better and / or when someone is found guilty they bang on that they're innocent or the law is wrong because their either don't understand the law, think they are above the law or really like the person convicted. |  |
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| Clydach murders on 06:21 - Jul 6 with 19098 views | Dr_Winston |
People want there to be a massive police cover up of the murder of four people including two little children, rather than believe that a well known local psycho snapped and has been found guilty of that offence repeatedly.
Doesn't say much for people. |  |
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| Clydach murders on 06:48 - Jul 6 with 19078 views | Gowerjack |
| Clydach murders on 23:24 - Jul 5 by Kilkennyjack |
How do u explain the seeming absence of forensic evidence ? |
There is forensic evidence. | |
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| Clydach murders on 06:59 - Jul 6 with 19060 views | Gowerjack |
| Clydach murders on 06:21 - Jul 6 by Dr_Winston |
People want there to be a massive police cover up of the murder of four people including two little children, rather than believe that a well known local psycho snapped and has been found guilty of that offence repeatedly.
Doesn't say much for people. |
People want to believe that the correct person is behind bars for this horrible crime.
SWP have a really poor record in relation to fitting innocent people up for high profile murders.
There doesn't have to be a cover up just a poor quality highly biased investigation.
Have a think about this
Morris was said to have been badmouthing Power in the pub the night of the murders.
The only person who saw this ( an alcoholic drug addict) said nothing of this until after his arrest a full 18 months later when her memory miraculously came back..
Does that seem right to you? | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 07:53 - Jul 6 with 19003 views | moonie |
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| Clydach murders on 08:02 - Jul 6 with 18994 views | moonie |
I ll explain Killy.
Not guilty is when a jury of 12 people make a decision ,which can be right or wrong.
Therefore ,if someone os found guilty, it does not mean he or she is guilty nor if found not guilty that the defendant is innocent or did not do th crime. It's a fookn game ,a legal game but it's the best system man has devised .
I've had plenty of drinks in a bar after a Trial with both defending and prosecution barristers and the contents of our conversations would stagger most on here.
Ive seen countless people walk away from court having been found not guilty when they ve literally been covered in the blood and snot of that which they ve injured .
Different areas have higher guilty verdict ratios than others .
SWP has bad examples of mal practice and criminality but it's not right to impugn every police officer out here . In a case,there is always someone who is going to be unhappy | | | |
| Clydach murders on 08:11 - Jul 6 with 18986 views | exhmrc1 |
Look at the actual facts. Morris had a very distinctive chain which matched the one found in the house. He continually denied this was his throughout all questioning until a couple of days before the first trial when he changed his story to say he had left it there the night before when he claimed he had sex. This was after the prosecution had shown their evidence that the paint on the chain matched the paint at his house. They also had evidence that his relative had purchased a similar chain in Swansea which the relative admitted he had bought for Morris and Morris did so to make it look like he still had that chain. His girlfriend had given him an alibi throughout that he was with her. This story later got changed to him having an argument with her and walking to his mothers house 5 miles away. He had been drinking all day yet was still able to walk the 5 miles along country lanes largely without pavements. Nobody saw a guy in a drunken state along the route taken. The people in the pub knew him and nobody noticed the chain he supposedly left the day before in Power's house was missing. Surely someone would have noticed that. The chain showed signs of struggle. If he had left it there the day before when he supposedly had sex why was the chain so damaged.
Morris was told by his solicitor that he had represented one of the Lewis' and that he could not attack them. He knew this but still wanted the solicitor to represent him when he could have chosen any solicitor in Swansea. This conflict of interest was the reason the original verdict was quashed and a retrial was ordered.
At the retrial Morris was represented by Michael Mansfield QC who has been involved in numerous miscarriages of justice and subsequently overturned the verdict. Despite his undoubted abilities the jury again found Morris guilty.
SWP certainly made mistakes in the case which has led people believing the police were involved. The high profile arrest of the Lewis family with press being involved didnt help. Neither did the fact they removed the local police and concentrated on officers from the Cardiff area. A couple of local CID officers were either from or married into a very well known Clydach family. Their knowledge of the area was not used. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 10:06 - Jul 6 with 18875 views | controversial_jack |
| Clydach murders on 06:59 - Jul 6 by Gowerjack |
People want to believe that the correct person is behind bars for this horrible crime.
SWP have a really poor record in relation to fitting innocent people up for high profile murders.
There doesn't have to be a cover up just a poor quality highly biased investigation.
Have a think about this
Morris was said to have been badmouthing Power in the pub the night of the murders.
The only person who saw this ( an alcoholic drug addict) said nothing of this until after his arrest a full 18 months later when her memory miraculously came back..
Does that seem right to you? |
Correct, SWP had a reputation for this | | | |
| Clydach murders on 10:09 - Jul 6 with 18869 views | controversial_jack |
| Clydach murders on 08:02 - Jul 6 by moonie |
I ll explain Killy.
Not guilty is when a jury of 12 people make a decision ,which can be right or wrong.
Therefore ,if someone os found guilty, it does not mean he or she is guilty nor if found not guilty that the defendant is innocent or did not do th crime. It's a fookn game ,a legal game but it's the best system man has devised .
I've had plenty of drinks in a bar after a Trial with both defending and prosecution barristers and the contents of our conversations would stagger most on here.
Ive seen countless people walk away from court having been found not guilty when they ve literally been covered in the blood and snot of that which they ve injured .
Different areas have higher guilty verdict ratios than others .
SWP has bad examples of mal practice and criminality but it's not right to impugn every police officer out here . In a case,there is always someone who is going to be unhappy |
For every bad or dodgy officer, there's another who will turn a blind eye or back him up.That makes them bad too. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 10:09 - Jul 6 with 18868 views | moonie |
Excellent resume exhmrc .Mansfield just loves controversy and himself of course | | | |
| Clydach murders on 10:28 - Jul 6 with 18848 views | exhmrc1 |
2 juries one in Swansea and one in Newport rejected Morris' story. Both had High Court judges from London. There is no collusion here. Maybe it would have been better if an outside force had investigated it but SWP tried to overcome it wrongly in my opinion by using officers from outside the locality. If the theorists are to be believed on one of his first shifts in a new area as a new Inspector he his brother and sister in law somehow got together and committed the murder and the cover up. Initially it was treated as a simple house fire. It was only when the firemen got in the truth was discovered. Inspector Lewis was then called as the senior officer in charge and apparently left the scene. I suspect knowing who the victim was he might have left to inform his family. Wrong but totally understandable human reaction. The murders had already taken place by then but people ignore hat as it is easier to blame the police | | | |
| Clydach murders on 11:02 - Jul 6 with 18822 views | controversial_jack |
| Clydach murders on 10:28 - Jul 6 by exhmrc1 |
2 juries one in Swansea and one in Newport rejected Morris' story. Both had High Court judges from London. There is no collusion here. Maybe it would have been better if an outside force had investigated it but SWP tried to overcome it wrongly in my opinion by using officers from outside the locality. If the theorists are to be believed on one of his first shifts in a new area as a new Inspector he his brother and sister in law somehow got together and committed the murder and the cover up. Initially it was treated as a simple house fire. It was only when the firemen got in the truth was discovered. Inspector Lewis was then called as the senior officer in charge and apparently left the scene. I suspect knowing who the victim was he might have left to inform his family. Wrong but totally understandable human reaction. The murders had already taken place by then but people ignore hat as it is easier to blame the police |
The police are hardly going to charge one of their own | | | |
| Clydach murders on 11:05 - Jul 6 with 18817 views | WarwickHunt |
| Clydach murders on 10:09 - Jul 6 by controversial_jack |
For every bad or dodgy officer, there's another who will turn a blind eye or back him up.That makes them bad too. |
You are Dai Serpico and I claim my five dollars. |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 12:15 - Jul 6 with 18759 views | moonie |
So what s the answer ct. | | | |
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