| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:25 - Feb 5 with 2133 views | KingBony |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:18 - Feb 5 by TheResurrection |
Whether you like it, me, or anyone else, or whether anyone will ever admit it....
But Jenkins is the only one there with any sense of what it is to be a Jack, how we get our success in the first place, the type of manager that works best with the fans and our new ethos and who takes full responsibility.
It may not seem like that from the outside, always clouded by the thoughts on his greed, but it's true.
I was very much in the KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON THE BOARD camp, scrutinising their every move and making sure that every penny went back into the club or the fans.
I watched this message board cream their knickers over him and it was sickly.
I feel like the guy on the other end of a see saw. It's never healthy for so many all to pile over to the one side. You'll hit the floor before you know it.
That's where I was then, one of a few lone voices concerned with certain goings on and trying to bring about balance and get fans to focus on their off field activities. From everything, the training grounds Morgan was running, the vending machines Dineen was capitalising on. Jenkins connections to these business, I never properly unearthed anything in connection with Jaxxbay but I bloody tried, delving deep into Companies House documents and I'm still not 100% sure, but nevertheless Jenkins was already on a huge whack in wages by then so maybe he was happy with that while Morgan and Dineen got to make a few quid elsewhere.
The Trustt as well. I looked into the dealings of Cooze and Jim White and tried my best to jump on the other end of the see saw then to get us to focus on a supporters group that could be something, that could fight for us, the fans.
But now I've had to jump on the opposite end of the bastard see saw as too many have now, petulantly, piled on the other side.
Again, it's not healthy. We need balance, for the sake of SCFC we really need the balance.
Never to forget our achievements, never to idolise any one individual wholly, always to do the best for our football club.
To leave it fully in the hands of the Americans would be a huge mistake.
Don't be so stupid in your tantrums |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:26 - Feb 5 with 2132 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:21 - Feb 5 by E20Jack |
We are discussing how affective his marquee signings have been.
As I said, unless you have changed it, which won't surprise me in the slightest.
No amount of da da deeing is going to rescue that for you Shakes. We are either discussing all of his signings or we are discussing just the ones you hand pick as marquee ones, in which case you need to have a better grasp of what constitutes that - which one is it to be? |
You're right, I hand picked the list of transfers based on the data I have for transfer fees. I picked the biggest ones each season. Just like I said on page 1 of this thread.
It's not hard to understand. |  |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:28 - Feb 5 with 2123 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:26 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
You're right, I hand picked the list of transfers based on the data I have for transfer fees. I picked the biggest ones each season. Just like I said on page 1 of this thread.
It's not hard to understand. |
Yes, hence why the debate has since moved to the fact that cost of transfer fee does not constitute what is or is not a marquee signing, rendering that list a little pointless.
You will get there in the end Im sure. |  |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:28 - Feb 5 with 2128 views | Croftyjack |
My judgement aside..there is a common quote that comes from all managers once they leave/sacked and that is that Huw loves the club and also mad about the club.
Surely he wouldn't put it as a clause in theyre compensation package to say it! |  | | |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:30 - Feb 5 with 2122 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:28 - Feb 5 by E20Jack |
Yes, hence why the debate has since moved to the fact that cost of transfer fee does not constitute what is or is not a marquee signing, rendering that list a little pointless.
You will get there in the end Im sure. |
What a load of irrelevant bullshit.
Do you really think anybody is buying this tosh? | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:33 - Feb 5 with 2110 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:30 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
What a load of irrelevant bullshit.
Do you really think anybody is buying this tosh? |
So you compile a list of marquee signings (determined by your incorrect understanding of what one is) in order to judge a DoF/CEO and do not accept that because you have a clear misunderstanding of what a marquee signing is, all you have left is a collection of hand picked players that paints a small % of the picture.
So if you are asking me if I think anybody is buying your irrelevant list correctly descibed as tosh...
Then no, clearly. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:39 - Feb 5 with 2102 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:33 - Feb 5 by E20Jack |
So you compile a list of marquee signings (determined by your incorrect understanding of what one is) in order to judge a DoF/CEO and do not accept that because you have a clear misunderstanding of what a marquee signing is, all you have left is a collection of hand picked players that paints a small % of the picture.
So if you are asking me if I think anybody is buying your irrelevant list correctly descibed as tosh...
Then no, clearly. |
For the third an final time, no.
I compiled a list of the most expensive signings each season.
I elected to label them marquee. But the label is irrelevant.
Only the risk/reward profile of those investments matters.
Both from a footballing and a management/shareholder perspective.
But you keep talking about marquees, large tents and one man bivouacs to you hearts content, and no doubt some simple minded soul will believe you are making a deep point of profound meaning. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:43 - Feb 5 with 2079 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:39 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
For the third an final time, no.
I compiled a list of the most expensive signings each season.
I elected to label them marquee. But the label is irrelevant.
Only the risk/reward profile of those investments matters.
Both from a footballing and a management/shareholder perspective.
But you keep talking about marquees, large tents and one man bivouacs to you hearts content, and no doubt some simple minded soul will believe you are making a deep point of profound meaning. |
You were the one who brought up marquee signings Shakes, and then went on to defend that term as the perameters you were using, dont throw your toys out of the pram that people are continuing with the perameters you set.
So now you understand you did not understand the term and have since elected to move away from what you originally described - all be it a long winded round the house way as you clearly again are doing your best to save face that you were wrong.
So now we have cleared that up, you now have to make a case as to why you are only including ones deemed the most expensive. As on the face of it that is utterly ridiculous isn't it.
Over to you. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:45 - Feb 5 with 2083 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:43 - Feb 5 by E20Jack |
You were the one who brought up marquee signings Shakes, and then went on to defend that term as the perameters you were using, dont throw your toys out of the pram that people are continuing with the perameters you set.
So now you understand you did not understand the term and have since elected to move away from what you originally described - all be it a long winded round the house way as you clearly again are doing your best to save face that you were wrong.
So now we have cleared that up, you now have to make a case as to why you are only including ones deemed the most expensive. As on the face of it that is utterly ridiculous isn't it.
Over to you. |
over to me?
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:47 - Feb 5 with 2071 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:45 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
over to me?
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Ah, thats you out again then? Of course, should have known.
Until next time then Shakes. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:49 - Feb 5 with 2065 views | perchrockjack |
Seems the Res is our de facto Investigative Journalist
This seems worthy of the much missed " World in Action " .
Who needs John Pilger | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 08:21 - Feb 6 with 1908 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 19:49 - Feb 5 by perchrockjack |
Seems the Res is our de facto Investigative Journalist
This seems worthy of the much missed " World in Action " .
Who needs John Pilger |
Give the man credit Perch he has brought more to light about the dealings of these individuals than any other person or organisation. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 08:47 - Feb 6 with 1891 views | Private_Partz |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:18 - Feb 5 by TheResurrection |
Whether you like it, me, or anyone else, or whether anyone will ever admit it....
But Jenkins is the only one there with any sense of what it is to be a Jack, how we get our success in the first place, the type of manager that works best with the fans and our new ethos and who takes full responsibility.
It may not seem like that from the outside, always clouded by the thoughts on his greed, but it's true.
I was very much in the KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON THE BOARD camp, scrutinising their every move and making sure that every penny went back into the club or the fans.
I watched this message board cream their knickers over him and it was sickly.
I feel like the guy on the other end of a see saw. It's never healthy for so many all to pile over to the one side. You'll hit the floor before you know it.
That's where I was then, one of a few lone voices concerned with certain goings on and trying to bring about balance and get fans to focus on their off field activities. From everything, the training grounds Morgan was running, the vending machines Dineen was capitalising on. Jenkins connections to these business, I never properly unearthed anything in connection with Jaxxbay but I bloody tried, delving deep into Companies House documents and I'm still not 100% sure, but nevertheless Jenkins was already on a huge whack in wages by then so maybe he was happy with that while Morgan and Dineen got to make a few quid elsewhere.
The Trustt as well. I looked into the dealings of Cooze and Jim White and tried my best to jump on the other end of the see saw then to get us to focus on a supporters group that could be something, that could fight for us, the fans.
But now I've had to jump on the opposite end of the bastard see saw as too many have now, petulantly, piled on the other side.
Again, it's not healthy. We need balance, for the sake of SCFC we really need the balance.
Never to forget our achievements, never to idolise any one individual wholly, always to do the best for our football club.
To leave it fully in the hands of the Americans would be a huge mistake.
Don't be so stupid in your tantrums |
'Jenkins is the only one out there with any sense of what it is like to be a Jack'.
I just picked up on that one. Astounding!
You are not in a position where you don't care what happens to Jenkins and a person who has no problem with a fight to oust him in the close season.
You are a fan. You have direct access to the Jenkins camp and you are fighting his causes on here.
Despite fundamentally disagreeing I have no problem with that. Opinions make the world go round but I think it would be best to come out and admit where you really stand. |  |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 09:17 - Feb 6 with 1872 views | waynekerr55 |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:41 - Feb 5 by Dr_Winston |
Did a very good job for ten years. Allowed that success to go to his head and convince himself that he knew more than he did, resulting in failures of decision making when the smarter move would have been to step aside and hand the reins to someone more suited to working at the level we were.
Acted in a disingenuous manner (at best) when conducting the sale of shares and has thoroughly poisoned the well of good will as a result. His continued presence will prevent a lot of wounds from healing. |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 09:34 - Feb 6 with 1855 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 08:47 - Feb 6 by Private_Partz |
'Jenkins is the only one out there with any sense of what it is like to be a Jack'.
I just picked up on that one. Astounding!
You are not in a position where you don't care what happens to Jenkins and a person who has no problem with a fight to oust him in the close season.
You are a fan. You have direct access to the Jenkins camp and you are fighting his causes on here.
Despite fundamentally disagreeing I have no problem with that. Opinions make the world go round but I think it would be best to come out and admit where you really stand. |
Oops, there's the great big enormous elephant in the room.
Let's all steel ourselves for another stirring and extended rendition of bonfire of the banalities. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 09:35 - Feb 6 with 1848 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 09:34 - Feb 6 by Shaky |
Oops, there's the great big enormous elephant in the room.
Let's all steel ourselves for another stirring and extended rendition of bonfire of the banalities. |
Oh you are back. Third time lucky maybe eh Shakes?  | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 09:42 - Feb 6 with 1842 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:18 - Feb 5 by TheResurrection |
Whether you like it, me, or anyone else, or whether anyone will ever admit it....
But Jenkins is the only one there with any sense of what it is to be a Jack, how we get our success in the first place, the type of manager that works best with the fans and our new ethos and who takes full responsibility.
It may not seem like that from the outside, always clouded by the thoughts on his greed, but it's true.
I was very much in the KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON THE BOARD camp, scrutinising their every move and making sure that every penny went back into the club or the fans.
I watched this message board cream their knickers over him and it was sickly.
I feel like the guy on the other end of a see saw. It's never healthy for so many all to pile over to the one side. You'll hit the floor before you know it.
That's where I was then, one of a few lone voices concerned with certain goings on and trying to bring about balance and get fans to focus on their off field activities. From everything, the training grounds Morgan was running, the vending machines Dineen was capitalising on. Jenkins connections to these business, I never properly unearthed anything in connection with Jaxxbay but I bloody tried, delving deep into Companies House documents and I'm still not 100% sure, but nevertheless Jenkins was already on a huge whack in wages by then so maybe he was happy with that while Morgan and Dineen got to make a few quid elsewhere.
The Trustt as well. I looked into the dealings of Cooze and Jim White and tried my best to jump on the other end of the see saw then to get us to focus on a supporters group that could be something, that could fight for us, the fans.
But now I've had to jump on the opposite end of the bastard see saw as too many have now, petulantly, piled on the other side.
Again, it's not healthy. We need balance, for the sake of SCFC we really need the balance.
Never to forget our achievements, never to idolise any one individual wholly, always to do the best for our football club.
To leave it fully in the hands of the Americans would be a huge mistake.
Don't be so stupid in your tantrums |
That is a very good post Chris, similar to you, in the latter stages of Laudrup reign I spoke out against Jenkins as it was clear not all decisions being made were for the benefit of the club. On the other hand though I still want him gone now, but that's another argument.
I disagree when you say he takes full responsibility, he's far from that in my eyes. When things were rosey he was forever in the press, getting his honourary degrees, talking about other clubs in the papers, always praising how we are run by "fans" etc. When it started to go South he dissapeared, promised to meet the fans, never happened. If he took responsibility, he would have walked. [Post edited 6 Feb 2018 9:42]
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 09:53 - Feb 6 with 1823 views | perchrockjack |
It's certainly a long post.
I'm of the opinion few would be bothered if we were mid table with a burgeoning fan base in an extended ground.
I don't want the club to be run by fans as fans squabble and in fight and lose the big picture preferring petty point scoring . Evidence on here alright and Gas been for many years.
What we do need is a chairman we can trust ..and a board who know what the cook they are doing.
We have neither .
We do have a spineless inept chairman who again is chucking opportunity away
We need a well run club not one run by any group of fans willing only to shout from the sidelines with no capacity to invest anything practical into the club .. We ve got a Trust and another little group squabbling and back stabbing ffs
Ideally, we stay up, Jenkins leave and the Yanks sell . Issue that should bother is to to whom nd that s key | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 10:01 - Feb 6 with 1815 views | BigPhilG |
Sold the club behind the trusts back and continues to milk £500K pit of the club each year. Made poor decision after poor decision hiring managers and signing players.
The facts are incontestable |  | | |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 10:27 - Feb 6 with 1790 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 09:42 - Feb 6 by 34dfgdf54 |
That is a very good post Chris, similar to you, in the latter stages of Laudrup reign I spoke out against Jenkins as it was clear not all decisions being made were for the benefit of the club. On the other hand though I still want him gone now, but that's another argument.
I disagree when you say he takes full responsibility, he's far from that in my eyes. When things were rosey he was forever in the press, getting his honourary degrees, talking about other clubs in the papers, always praising how we are run by "fans" etc. When it started to go South he dissapeared, promised to meet the fans, never happened. If he took responsibility, he would have walked. [Post edited 6 Feb 2018 9:42]
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Really?
I think if you strip out the sentimental waffle that post can be condensed as follow:
1. Jenkins is a Jack
2. the owners are Americans. AMERICANS.
3. That's it. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 10:29 - Feb 6 with 1789 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 09:35 - Feb 6 by E20Jack |
Oh you are back. Third time lucky maybe eh Shakes? |
Alas we can't all be full time messageboard participants like yourself. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 11:09 - Feb 6 with 1764 views | perchrockjack |
Of Jenkins ,being from Skewen, is not. Jack ...a man of Swansea ,that is.
Quite ridiculous self aggrandisement we're seeing here swallowed whole by legions of dewy eyed followers
Sidelines is the easiest place | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:29 - Feb 6 with 1725 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 10:29 - Feb 6 by Shaky |
Alas we can't all be full time messageboard participants like yourself. |
That only seems to become a problem for you when you are snookered and need some thinking time. Odd that. And a whole lot convenient.
Feel free to pick up from the last two points you bailed.
Ta. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:31 - Feb 6 with 1722 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 10:27 - Feb 6 by Shaky |
Really?
I think if you strip out the sentimental waffle that post can be condensed as follow:
1. Jenkins is a Jack
2. the owners are Americans. AMERICANS.
3. That's it. |
Then stripping back posts is another of your long list of things that you need to work on in order to even get an average understanding of.
Read it again. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:38 - Feb 6 with 1713 views | Private_Partz |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:41 - Feb 5 by Dr_Winston |
Did a very good job for ten years. Allowed that success to go to his head and convince himself that he knew more than he did, resulting in failures of decision making when the smarter move would have been to step aside and hand the reins to someone more suited to working at the level we were.
Acted in a disingenuous manner (at best) when conducting the sale of shares and has thoroughly poisoned the well of good will as a result. His continued presence will prevent a lot of wounds from healing. |
I agree with the poster above. Excellent bit of summing up there Doc. | |
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