| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November 13:26 - Dec 7 with 7397 views | Vetchfielder |
Shouldn't these minutes have been published by now?
Aren't they usually released on the day after the next meeting - which means they are 2 days late?
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 15:09 - Dec 7 with 5696 views | Highjack |
We'll get an update in due course |  |
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 18:08 - Dec 8 with 5558 views | Vetchfielder |
I'm getting paranoid now, I wonder if the release is being delayed until after the Members Forum so as to avoid even more questions. These minutes will , or at least should, be very interesting. | |
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 18:12 - Dec 8 with 5550 views | Uxbridge |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 18:08 - Dec 8 by Vetchfielder |
I'm getting paranoid now, I wonder if the release is being delayed until after the Members Forum so as to avoid even more questions. These minutes will , or at least should, be very interesting. |
They should be published imminently. Certainly before next week's forum. |  |
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 18:16 - Dec 8 with 5544 views | Vetchfielder |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 18:12 - Dec 8 by Uxbridge |
They should be published imminently. Certainly before next week's forum. |
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 11:42 - Dec 12 with 5431 views | Uxbridge |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 18:16 - Dec 8 by Vetchfielder |
Good, thank you |
Now online | |
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:21 - Dec 12 with 5363 views | NeathJack |
"...current membership is 1,010 members, just over 50% of the membership is Seniors, 1% is Junior"
This shows that the current membership is not at all proportionately representative of the fanbase as a whole. |  | | |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:23 - Dec 12 with 5357 views | NeathJack |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 11:42 - Dec 12 by Uxbridge |
Now online |
Wasn't' this the meeting where it was agreed to send a letter to the club requesting the removal of Huw Jenkins (or similar)?
If so, why isn't that minuted? | | | |
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:23 - Dec 12 with 5356 views | Darran |
“Discussions on Disabled parking at the Liberty Stadium remain ongoing”
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:28 - Dec 12 with 5345 views | londonlisa2001 |
Given that the minutes state the vote was 8:3 in favour of continuing discussions with the owners on the deal, and two have resigned subsequently (as a result), and Uxbridge has said he was in favour of stopping conversations as well, it follows that all remaining 8 at the meeting supported continued conversations.
So we now have (of the 15 board members):
8 remaining in favour of the deal and discussions
1 remaining that wanted to cease discussions
4 new co-opted members (we know 1 is against ongoing discussions as he said so on here, not sure on other 3)
2 that weren't at the meeting so we don't know which way they feel (although can possibly guess).
Hmm. It's still pretty stacked in favour of continued discussions isn't it. |  | | |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:44 - Dec 12 with 5305 views | E20Jack |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:28 - Dec 12 by londonlisa2001 |
Given that the minutes state the vote was 8:3 in favour of continuing discussions with the owners on the deal, and two have resigned subsequently (as a result), and Uxbridge has said he was in favour of stopping conversations as well, it follows that all remaining 8 at the meeting supported continued conversations.
So we now have (of the 15 board members):
8 remaining in favour of the deal and discussions
1 remaining that wanted to cease discussions
4 new co-opted members (we know 1 is against ongoing discussions as he said so on here, not sure on other 3)
2 that weren't at the meeting so we don't know which way they feel (although can possibly guess).
Hmm. It's still pretty stacked in favour of continued discussions isn't it. |
Yes. This is why any action needs to be taken now. I firmly believe the majority of the fanbase sees this deal as awful - even more so if the likes of Phil back the notion more vocally.
If that is the case we need this new group to lobby the members to get a re-vote due to the terms changing - breaking of trust, working relationship and relegation picture. Whatever little excuse is needed or is being used for people now seeing the bigger picture.
Then we have a chance. |  |
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:52 - Dec 12 with 5284 views | monmouth |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:28 - Dec 12 by londonlisa2001 |
Given that the minutes state the vote was 8:3 in favour of continuing discussions with the owners on the deal, and two have resigned subsequently (as a result), and Uxbridge has said he was in favour of stopping conversations as well, it follows that all remaining 8 at the meeting supported continued conversations.
So we now have (of the 15 board members):
8 remaining in favour of the deal and discussions
1 remaining that wanted to cease discussions
4 new co-opted members (we know 1 is against ongoing discussions as he said so on here, not sure on other 3)
2 that weren't at the meeting so we don't know which way they feel (although can possibly guess).
Hmm. It's still pretty stacked in favour of continued discussions isn't it. |
One of the 8 in favour has also gone, but your point is still valid. If there is a split of (say) 9-6 something this important should not go ahead. In fact, no, if there is any dissent at all then there should be a revote as things have clearly changed from the unanimous recommendation to accept, that was used to inform the initial vote.
Yep, there should be a revote with the no camp clearly setting out their reasons alongside the yes camp now. Anything else, particularly after the chairman's and replacements resignations is indefensible.
It's Brexit 2. Lets do it better. |  |
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:53 - Dec 12 with 5282 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:44 - Dec 12 by E20Jack |
Yes. This is why any action needs to be taken now. I firmly believe the majority of the fanbase sees this deal as awful - even more so if the likes of Phil back the notion more vocally.
If that is the case we need this new group to lobby the members to get a re-vote due to the terms changing - breaking of trust, working relationship and relegation picture. Whatever little excuse is needed or is being used for people now seeing the bigger picture.
Then we have a chance. |
Actually, thinking about it, Will Morris also resigned didn't he, so there are 7 remaining who wanted to continue, plus 2 unknown, plus Ux, plus new people.
So actually, there are 14 now on the board aren't there, not 15?
Couldn't a 5th have been co-opted then? As by my reckoning, 5 in total have resigned, the two mentioned in those minutes, plus Phil, Matt and Will.
Or is it due to total numbers of elected vs co-opted? | | | |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:54 - Dec 12 with 5277 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:52 - Dec 12 by monmouth |
One of the 8 in favour has also gone, but your point is still valid. If there is a split of (say) 9-6 something this important should not go ahead. In fact, no, if there is any dissent at all then there should be a revote as things have clearly changed from the unanimous recommendation to accept, that was used to inform the initial vote.
Yep, there should be a revote with the no camp clearly setting out their reasons alongside the yes camp now. Anything else, particularly after the chairman's and replacements resignations is indefensible.
It's Brexit 2. Lets do it better. |
Sorry - had just posted to that effect and didn't see your point mon. I'd forgotten Will had resigned. | | | |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 13:44 - Dec 12 with 5216 views | Landore_Jack |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:21 - Dec 12 by NeathJack |
"...current membership is 1,010 members, just over 50% of the membership is Seniors, 1% is Junior"
This shows that the current membership is not at all proportionately representative of the fanbase as a whole. |
I would like to see Trust membership scrapped. Reach out to all Swans fans and let anyone attend forums. |  |
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 15:44 - Dec 12 with 5159 views | swanseajack4eva |
Last line says “next board meeting is 12 December” ... tonight!
Will the new board members have time to reschedule their week and participate, and time to understand the share sale details and implications, before the existing board members try to push it through? |  | | |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 15:50 - Dec 12 with 5149 views | swanseajack4eva |
Dealing with (stopping/renegotiating) the share sale is the single most important issue ... other supporters groups may be useful one day ... but should not be a distraction from immediate focus on fixing the Trust and returning it to its original objectives ... it that has funds in her bank and currently owns 21% of the shares ... it should not be weak. | | | |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 17:14 - Dec 12 with 5074 views | E20Jack |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 15:50 - Dec 12 by swanseajack4eva |
Dealing with (stopping/renegotiating) the share sale is the single most important issue ... other supporters groups may be useful one day ... but should not be a distraction from immediate focus on fixing the Trust and returning it to its original objectives ... it that has funds in her bank and currently owns 21% of the shares ... it should not be weak. |
Agree, sort of.
Absolutely agree this share sale is of vital importance, and urgent importance. Also agree that these other supporters groups can be very useful, but should not detract or distract from this pressing issue.
But I think we need to be careful when stating the Trust needs to return to its original aims. It is important to note those aims were outlined when the situation was very different. To be a smart organisation the aims should be adapted to whatever the situation demands.
Although by right the Trust should not be weak, and certainly do not help themselves in that respect, they can be nothing other than weak within the club. The only way to show that strength (and this is important to note for setting the standards for future owners) - the Trust must show they will not be walked over, legal action MUST be taken.
As soon as the SHA (if it ever existed) was null and void, the primary aim should always have been to sell those shares for as much money as possible and look to acquire the club in the future to break the chain forever of owners that are looking to profit from us. | |
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 17:28 - Dec 12 with 5046 views | swanseajack4eva |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 17:14 - Dec 12 by E20Jack |
Agree, sort of.
Absolutely agree this share sale is of vital importance, and urgent importance. Also agree that these other supporters groups can be very useful, but should not detract or distract from this pressing issue.
But I think we need to be careful when stating the Trust needs to return to its original aims. It is important to note those aims were outlined when the situation was very different. To be a smart organisation the aims should be adapted to whatever the situation demands.
Although by right the Trust should not be weak, and certainly do not help themselves in that respect, they can be nothing other than weak within the club. The only way to show that strength (and this is important to note for setting the standards for future owners) - the Trust must show they will not be walked over, legal action MUST be taken.
As soon as the SHA (if it ever existed) was null and void, the primary aim should always have been to sell those shares for as much money as possible and look to acquire the club in the future to break the chain forever of owners that are looking to profit from us. |
Agreed ... “original objectives” was a general statement meaning focus on doing what is best for Swansea supporters ... which as you say right now is focus on the share sale proposal ... and in my opinion taking the legal option to sell all shares for the same price as the sell-outs received. | | | |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 17:52 - Dec 12 with 5017 views | Swanzay |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 12:53 - Dec 12 by londonlisa2001 |
Actually, thinking about it, Will Morris also resigned didn't he, so there are 7 remaining who wanted to continue, plus 2 unknown, plus Ux, plus new people.
So actually, there are 14 now on the board aren't there, not 15?
Couldn't a 5th have been co-opted then? As by my reckoning, 5 in total have resigned, the two mentioned in those minutes, plus Phil, Matt and Will.
Or is it due to total numbers of elected vs co-opted? |
There is a clear case of Stockholm Syndrome within the current incumbent of trust board, most of whom should be no where near it, after exceeding their own rules on length of terms.
To me it seems that their reality is so distaughted and clouded now by their own personal self worth of “I’m on the Trust board” that they can’t see the wood for the trees.
There is no differentiating point of view up to now, so I can imaging trust meetings are very cosy atm and over very quickly.
The sooner ECB and Lisa get involved the better, shame the Res wasn’t, but I hope he still asks the awkward question on here.
There’s no way discussions should continue on the sale of shares, it’s simply bad practice.
Isn’t there a song about it, “don’t know what I’m doing here, carry on regardless.” [Post edited 12 Dec 2017 18:12]
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 17:59 - Dec 12 with 5005 views | swanseajack4eva |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 17:52 - Dec 12 by Swanzay |
There is a clear case of Stockholm Syndrome within the current incumbent of trust board, most of whom should be no where near it, after exceeding their own rules on length of terms.
To me it seems that their reality is so distaughted and clouded now by their own personal self worth of “I’m on the Trust board” that they can’t see the wood for the trees.
There is no differentiating point of view up to now, so I can imaging trust meetings are very cosy atm and over very quickly.
The sooner ECB and Lisa get involved the better, shame the Res wasn’t, but I hope he still asks the awkward question on here.
There’s no way discussions should continue on the sale of shares, it’s simply bad practice.
Isn’t there a song about it, “don’t know what I’m doing here, carry on regardless.” [Post edited 12 Dec 2017 18:12]
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I would assume the 4 new board members (and Lisa) will be actively involved (in the case of Lisa consulted) at this evening’s board meeting.
Members should expect to hear the outcomes in the next few days. | | | |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 18:13 - Dec 12 with 4989 views | max936 |
The 8 that voted for the deal were they entitled on the basis they've done12yrs or more on the Trust Board? That also being the case they cannot be allowed to continue with the deal negotiations surely, this is deal is all gonna be rubber stamped before the meeting to discuss the length of service and that's completely wrong in my eyes. It has to go back out to the members and re-vote taken. |  |
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 18:21 - Dec 12 with 4973 views | swanseajack4eva |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 18:13 - Dec 12 by max936 |
The 8 that voted for the deal were they entitled on the basis they've done12yrs or more on the Trust Board? That also being the case they cannot be allowed to continue with the deal negotiations surely, this is deal is all gonna be rubber stamped before the meeting to discuss the length of service and that's completely wrong in my eyes. It has to go back out to the members and re-vote taken. |
You're exactly right Max. | | | |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 18:23 - Dec 12 with 4964 views | max936 |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 18:21 - Dec 12 by swanseajack4eva |
You're exactly right Max. |
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| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 18:26 - Dec 12 with 4960 views | Swanzay |
| Trust Board Minutes for 6th November on 18:13 - Dec 12 by max936 |
The 8 that voted for the deal were they entitled on the basis they've done12yrs or more on the Trust Board? That also being the case they cannot be allowed to continue with the deal negotiations surely, this is deal is all gonna be rubber stamped before the meeting to discuss the length of service and that's completely wrong in my eyes. It has to go back out to the members and re-vote taken. |
It simply can’t proceed. I am sure ECB and Lisa are highlighting that very fact. | | | |
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