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All contributed towards the current situation. Jenkins had the biggest contribution.
Phil as Chairman of The Trust contributed heavily towards the current situation as well by overseeing the free fall of the organisation and green lighting the recommendation to accept the woeful deal he and his team negotiated. For years people demanded better communication of what was going on. If they had communicated to the fan base what Jenkins and his friends had done, we'd be united and protests would be far more effective. Because of the woeful decisions made by The Trust, we do not have a united fan base and the situation is irreversible. Even if The Res gets on, he'll be gone not too long later as he can't seem to go a week without threatening supporters with violence.
Hopefully ECB and Lisa can gain control and mount some sort of coherent and united response to what is going on.
Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:28 - Dec 2 by DwightYorkeSuperstar
All contributed towards the current situation. Jenkins had the biggest contribution.
Phil as Chairman of The Trust contributed heavily towards the current situation as well by overseeing the free fall of the organisation and green lighting the recommendation to accept the woeful deal he and his team negotiated. For years people demanded better communication of what was going on. If they had communicated to the fan base what Jenkins and his friends had done, we'd be united and protests would be far more effective. Because of the woeful decisions made by The Trust, we do not have a united fan base and the situation is irreversible. Even if The Res gets on, he'll be gone not too long later as he can't seem to go a week without threatening supporters with violence.
Hopefully ECB and Lisa can gain control and mount some sort of coherent and united response to what is going on.
And the sad fact is you probably believe it as well - the simple fact is this whole freewill situation started the day that the people who had worked with the fans for many years elected to oversee a sale behind their backs.
Had they made that decision just a little different then things would have turned out differently - point your anger towards them and take it away from me because the likes of your ilk has seen vile comments made to people very close to me and I promise you now it wont happen again
Which just shows how little you actually understand anything.
And that is before I get started on the selective truths that I have read on here this week where people just like to repeat what suits them and forget the fuller parts of the stories when they repeat them
I hope ECB and Lisa get on as well - just like I did when I tried to get both involved when I was in the organisation
At least they have the balls that you lack as a keyboard warrior but you are in good company there, you always have been
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Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:35 - Dec 2 with 6506 views
Where's the option for all of them? Sell outs inc Beaky for not doing any form of due diligence, only caring about underselling their shares as quickly as possible Seems everyone wants to buy a PL club at times.
Trust for pushing, nay forcing through a bad, bad deal when we could have gone for the safety net of £21+ million and scared the Yanks shiteless. Guess they may have included getting rid of Beaky and taking away the ticket rights of clog travel, stop selling sh1te coffee etc as part of a properly negotiated deal instead of having to going to Court. We may still find out if the Trust grow a pair, rather than just be in it for the Kudos. Or 'cos they speak Welsh innit.
In L1 or L2, we may well be able to buy the club nearly outright for £15-20 million. Sell 40% to some Arab sheik and go for it again.
Pre season in Dubai instead of the Good 'ol US of A
If you wake up breathing, thats a good start to your day and you'll make many thousands of people envious.
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Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:38 - Dec 2 with 6473 views
Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:32 - Dec 2 by Phil_S
And the sad fact is you probably believe it as well - the simple fact is this whole freewill situation started the day that the people who had worked with the fans for many years elected to oversee a sale behind their backs.
Had they made that decision just a little different then things would have turned out differently - point your anger towards them and take it away from me because the likes of your ilk has seen vile comments made to people very close to me and I promise you now it wont happen again
Which just shows how little you actually understand anything.
And that is before I get started on the selective truths that I have read on here this week where people just like to repeat what suits them and forget the fuller parts of the stories when they repeat them
I hope ECB and Lisa get on as well - just like I did when I tried to get both involved when I was in the organisation
At least they have the balls that you lack as a keyboard warrior but you are in good company there, you always have been
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Serious question Phil how much of this debacle is down to j3nkins and his recruitment staff ,a frank honest answer would be appreciated as you have had inside knowledge?
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Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:42 - Dec 2 with 6433 views
Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:38 - Dec 2 by GeoffThom
Serious question Phil how much of this debacle is down to j3nkins and his recruitment staff ,a frank honest answer would be appreciated as you have had inside knowledge?
Its painfully obvious that our recruitment has been awful for years. We have continually bought in sub standard players and sometimes not even sub standard players but our methods and style have made them look sub standard
We sold our only two goal threats in the summer and didn't replace them and now we are reaping the rewards of that.
Ever so slowly the style we were known for has been eroded and where we are now is a situation where so many people really have just lost so much of the passion for the club.
The seeing off of the first Americans meant that things were done behind the backs of the fans second time around, there was no due diligence opportunities or any opportunity to look at what was going to happen.
A Premier League club - and one that has been here for 6 complete seasons - shouldn't look like this, for Villa two years ago, Sunderland last, simply read Swansea this season.
Clement needs to go but it may only paper over the cracks as it did when Monk and Bradley went in the last two seasons. We havent learned from any of the mistakes and we wont.
And I will only ever give a frank honest answer. always have done
The reason I stopped posting on here was a clear one for me - I was fronting questions whenever we had a forum, it would have been impossible to front them everywhere. People criticise the Trust for lack of communication (and rightly so) but the reality was very few were prepared to stick their head up and be heard. Different directions, it was in the statement
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Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:42 - Dec 2 with 6422 views
Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:32 - Dec 2 by Phil_S
And the sad fact is you probably believe it as well - the simple fact is this whole freewill situation started the day that the people who had worked with the fans for many years elected to oversee a sale behind their backs.
Had they made that decision just a little different then things would have turned out differently - point your anger towards them and take it away from me because the likes of your ilk has seen vile comments made to people very close to me and I promise you now it wont happen again
Which just shows how little you actually understand anything.
And that is before I get started on the selective truths that I have read on here this week where people just like to repeat what suits them and forget the fuller parts of the stories when they repeat them
I hope ECB and Lisa get on as well - just like I did when I tried to get both involved when I was in the organisation
At least they have the balls that you lack as a keyboard warrior but you are in good company there, you always have been
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You're right, I absolutely do believe The Trust being in such a weak position is a result of how it has been run for years.
I believe the organisation as a responsibility to do the best for the fans. I do not believe recommending the deal did that. I do not believe the lack of communication from the organisation over the past 4/5 years was for the best of the fans.
I remember years ago I wanted The Trust to issue a statement criticising Jenkins and the boards actions and all I got was ridicule and the usual abuse I was getting back then. I understand very little because I and nearly everyone else has been given very little to understand.
I've said before I appreciate the time you and others give, however that does not mean I believe it was all spent doing the best job possible. It is not just the recommendation of the deal I feel contributed to this. Over the past 3/4/5 years there has been very little communication between board members and other members. The Trust has its own group on social media, there are 5,000+ passionate supporters in the group. Yet an embarrassing number have no idea what went on, how you were betrayed, and what you've been doing to try and rectify it. Putting a link to a statement out once a month is not going to reach enough people. The fan base should have been united via effective strategies, whether that be flyer distribution before games or consistent emails, statements, updates. There is so much anger right now, if The Trust was in a strong position they could direct it towards Jenkins. Instead the fan base is do divided in terms of opinion of Jenkins as well as divided regarding who knows what has gone on and who doesn't, uniting everyone is impossible.
Now the 'working relationship' that I am sure you will use as the reason for not raising these issues earlier is scuppered after they tried to change the deal, there is no excuse now not to mobilise the fan base. Hopefully whoever is in charge next will make it the priority.
Thousands protesting before and after games, constant media attention and relentless dissent towards the Americans and Jenkins will do far more for your negotiating position than staying silent and hoping for a working relationship.
I haven't worded this very well but I am sure it expresses my point.
Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:42 - Dec 2 by DwightYorkeSuperstar
You're right, I absolutely do believe The Trust being in such a weak position is a result of how it has been run for years.
I believe the organisation as a responsibility to do the best for the fans. I do not believe recommending the deal did that. I do not believe the lack of communication from the organisation over the past 4/5 years was for the best of the fans.
I remember years ago I wanted The Trust to issue a statement criticising Jenkins and the boards actions and all I got was ridicule and the usual abuse I was getting back then. I understand very little because I and nearly everyone else has been given very little to understand.
I've said before I appreciate the time you and others give, however that does not mean I believe it was all spent doing the best job possible. It is not just the recommendation of the deal I feel contributed to this. Over the past 3/4/5 years there has been very little communication between board members and other members. The Trust has its own group on social media, there are 5,000+ passionate supporters in the group. Yet an embarrassing number have no idea what went on, how you were betrayed, and what you've been doing to try and rectify it. Putting a link to a statement out once a month is not going to reach enough people. The fan base should have been united via effective strategies, whether that be flyer distribution before games or consistent emails, statements, updates. There is so much anger right now, if The Trust was in a strong position they could direct it towards Jenkins. Instead the fan base is do divided in terms of opinion of Jenkins as well as divided regarding who knows what has gone on and who doesn't, uniting everyone is impossible.
Now the 'working relationship' that I am sure you will use as the reason for not raising these issues earlier is scuppered after they tried to change the deal, there is no excuse now not to mobilise the fan base. Hopefully whoever is in charge next will make it the priority.
Thousands protesting before and after games, constant media attention and relentless dissent towards the Americans and Jenkins will do far more for your negotiating position than staying silent and hoping for a working relationship.
I haven't worded this very well but I am sure it expresses my point.
Indeed so suggest it to the Trust or better still use the passion you clearly have and volunteer to help
Because that was what was missing, people to be the foot soldiers that was desperately needed. There just weren't enough.
But you singled me out personally and as one fighting against the tide I am sure you will understand my reluctance to accept that
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Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:47 - Dec 2 with 6363 views
Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:35 - Dec 2 by Dewi1jack
Where's the option for all of them? Sell outs inc Beaky for not doing any form of due diligence, only caring about underselling their shares as quickly as possible Seems everyone wants to buy a PL club at times.
Trust for pushing, nay forcing through a bad, bad deal when we could have gone for the safety net of £21+ million and scared the Yanks shiteless. Guess they may have included getting rid of Beaky and taking away the ticket rights of clog travel, stop selling sh1te coffee etc as part of a properly negotiated deal instead of having to going to Court. We may still find out if the Trust grow a pair, rather than just be in it for the Kudos. Or 'cos they speak Welsh innit.
In L1 or L2, we may well be able to buy the club nearly outright for £15-20 million. Sell 40% to some Arab sheik and go for it again.
Pre season in Dubai instead of the Good 'ol US of A
Agree with all of this.
And I'm sorry Phil but all this happened on your watch an error further exasipated by the frankly astonishing decision to accept a deal from the nest of vipers that own our club.
Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:32 - Dec 2 by Phil_S
And the sad fact is you probably believe it as well - the simple fact is this whole freewill situation started the day that the people who had worked with the fans for many years elected to oversee a sale behind their backs.
Had they made that decision just a little different then things would have turned out differently - point your anger towards them and take it away from me because the likes of your ilk has seen vile comments made to people very close to me and I promise you now it wont happen again
Which just shows how little you actually understand anything.
And that is before I get started on the selective truths that I have read on here this week where people just like to repeat what suits them and forget the fuller parts of the stories when they repeat them
I hope ECB and Lisa get on as well - just like I did when I tried to get both involved when I was in the organisation
At least they have the balls that you lack as a keyboard warrior but you are in good company there, you always have been
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I see you edited your post and added the other 5 paragraphs as I was typing my response.
Are you really resorting to calling me a keyboard warrior because I did not apply to be a board member? And a lack of balls? Really? That is pathetic.
I believe many of my views are shared by a lot of people. Do they all lack balls too if they didn't apply to be a board member?
I haven't made a vile comments towards anyone and I have never encouraged that either. I'd be amazed if you could find one post on here where I did anything of the sort in my 1000s of posts on here, suggesting I am part of that 'ilk' is insulting.
Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:47 - Dec 2 by Gowerjack
Agree with all of this.
And I'm sorry Phil but all this happened on your watch an error further exasipated by the frankly astonishing decision to accept a deal from the nest of vipers that own our club.
Not good enough.
Not by a long long chalk.
The error that allowed people to sit in a room and make a conscious decision to sell their shares without informing the largest individual shareholder? That error?
That was their decision and the one that ruined the club and everything that we had all worked towards
There is a reason I am now on the outside but dont let that cloud your judgement on the views of the deal
Still I will always stand strong as someone who at least tried to make a difference and for many years did just that
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Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:52 - Dec 2 with 6319 views
Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:50 - Dec 2 by DwightYorkeSuperstar
I see you edited your post and added the other 5 paragraphs as I was typing my response.
Are you really resorting to calling me a keyboard warrior because I did not apply to be a board member? And a lack of balls? Really? That is pathetic.
I believe many of my views are shared by a lot of people. Do they all lack balls too if they didn't apply to be a board member?
I haven't made a vile comments towards anyone and I have never encouraged that either. I'd be amazed if you could find one post on here where I did anything of the sort in my 1000s of posts on here, suggesting I am part of that 'ilk' is insulting.
Maybe so but the views that you have stated influence others and I wont make comment as to what the vile comments were but suffice to say that certain people should never be exposed to that
Anyway I apologise for the full rant that was made - some of it I would stand by, not so much other bits so theres the apology.
And I hate to point this bit but at no point did I add 5 paragraphs to any post
You have the last word, it's all yours, I'm enjoying my retirement and will treat it as such :D
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Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:55 - Dec 2 with 6283 views
Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:42 - Dec 2 by Phil_S
Its painfully obvious that our recruitment has been awful for years. We have continually bought in sub standard players and sometimes not even sub standard players but our methods and style have made them look sub standard
We sold our only two goal threats in the summer and didn't replace them and now we are reaping the rewards of that.
Ever so slowly the style we were known for has been eroded and where we are now is a situation where so many people really have just lost so much of the passion for the club.
The seeing off of the first Americans meant that things were done behind the backs of the fans second time around, there was no due diligence opportunities or any opportunity to look at what was going to happen.
A Premier League club - and one that has been here for 6 complete seasons - shouldn't look like this, for Villa two years ago, Sunderland last, simply read Swansea this season.
Clement needs to go but it may only paper over the cracks as it did when Monk and Bradley went in the last two seasons. We havent learned from any of the mistakes and we wont.
And I will only ever give a frank honest answer. always have done
The reason I stopped posting on here was a clear one for me - I was fronting questions whenever we had a forum, it would have been impossible to front them everywhere. People criticise the Trust for lack of communication (and rightly so) but the reality was very few were prepared to stick their head up and be heard. Different directions, it was in the statement
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THanks for that answer Phil ,even though you’d make a bloody good politician as you didn’t really address my main incumbent in your answer 😃 as I’d really like to get too the bottom of who is really responsible for the loss of our hard earned status ?
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Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:57 - Dec 2 with 6257 views
Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:55 - Dec 2 by GeoffThom
THanks for that answer Phil ,even though you’d make a bloody good politician as you didn’t really address my main incumbent in your answer 😃 as I’d really like to get too the bottom of who is really responsible for the loss of our hard earned status ?
Jenkins oversees the football side of things so in as much as he would take the credit when it was going well he has to take the responsibility when it isn't
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Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:58 - Dec 2 with 6240 views
Who is to blame for the current situation? on 19:57 - Dec 2 by Phil_S
Jenkins oversees the football side of things so in as much as he would take the credit when it was going well he has to take the responsibility when it isn't
Thanks for confirmation,I know it’s well reported but you are the horses mouth ðŸ‘
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Who is to blame for the current situation? on 20:00 - Dec 2 with 6202 views
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