| Lefty or Righty 10:45 - Jun 1 with 9417 views | Pommyhoop |
Bazza or Disco ?
Brighton or Paul Parker ?
Danny or EssexTaxi ?
Take the test . Answer honestly.
I was surprised with my results.
Apparently I am in the left libertarian quadrant not far from Ghandi.  
Do the test on here..
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
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| Lefty or Righty on 10:57 - Jun 1 with 5424 views | Pommyhoop |
There you go Essex.. ( left click / coppy image address then paste on reply but add .gif )  | |
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| Lefty or Righty on 11:00 - Jun 1 with 5410 views | essextaxiboy |
| Lefty or Righty on 10:57 - Jun 1 by Pommyhoop |
There you go Essex.. ( left click / coppy image address then paste on reply but add .gif ) |
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| Lefty or Righty on 11:05 - Jun 1 with 5390 views | stevec |
I'm actually sitting in Gandhi's lap, Left Libertarian, yet I've never voted Labour in my life and I hate Liberalism with a passion.
This and 1BH the other week has got me properly confused. Off for a lie down. |  | | |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:06 - Jun 1 with 5380 views | TacticalR |
What do you mean by 'Liberalism' stevec? |  |
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| Lefty or Righty on 11:07 - Jun 1 with 5373 views | stevec |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:06 - Jun 1 by TacticalR |
What do you mean by 'Liberalism' stevec? |
I told you, I'm going for a lie down. | | | |
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| Lefty or Righty on 11:07 - Jun 1 with 5368 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:05 - Jun 1 by stevec |
I'm actually sitting in Gandhi's lap, Left Libertarian, yet I've never voted Labour in my life and I hate Liberalism with a passion.
This and 1BH the other week has got me properly confused. Off for a lie down. |
Margeret Thatcher was a liberal. |  | | |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:17 - Jun 1 with 5341 views | Hunterhoop |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:07 - Jun 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Margeret Thatcher was a liberal. |
No, she wasn't.
She was economically a neoliberal (she and Regan gave birth to it).
Socially, which is what that grid's y axis is measuring, Thatchers was authoritarian, and most certainly not a believer in social liberalism.
Bazza, go and read John Stuart Mills, and come back and say Thatcher was a liberal. Utter nonsense.
Neoliberalism and liberalism are entirely different. Neoliberalism is liberalism with the social and human conscience removed, thereby rendering it nothing like liberalism whatsoever. Incredibly lazy for anyone to suggest otherwise. |  | | |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:20 - Jun 1 with 5329 views | hoof_hearted |
Can't complete it without a "not necessarily" option for most questions  . |  | | |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:23 - Jun 1 with 5321 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:05 - Jun 1 by stevec |
I'm actually sitting in Gandhi's lap, Left Libertarian, yet I've never voted Labour in my life and I hate Liberalism with a passion.
This and 1BH the other week has got me properly confused. Off for a lie down. |
Well it's not too late to join the human race and vote Labour |  |
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| Lefty or Righty on 11:23 - Jun 1 with 5319 views | komradkirk |
Three points to left (its where i like to think of myself but many would disagree .....)
Bang on the line between libertarian and authoritarian. |  | | |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:24 - Jun 1 with 5319 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:17 - Jun 1 by Hunterhoop |
No, she wasn't.
She was economically a neoliberal (she and Regan gave birth to it).
Socially, which is what that grid's y axis is measuring, Thatchers was authoritarian, and most certainly not a believer in social liberalism.
Bazza, go and read John Stuart Mills, and come back and say Thatcher was a liberal. Utter nonsense.
Neoliberalism and liberalism are entirely different. Neoliberalism is liberalism with the social and human conscience removed, thereby rendering it nothing like liberalism whatsoever. Incredibly lazy for anyone to suggest otherwise. |
She was an economic liberal or a neoliberal if you want. I wasn't referring to social policy.
My point to Steve was that Liberal has a wide meaning far from this compass.
Don't get your knickers in a twist.
The Liberal Democrats (UK) and the Liberal Party (Australia) both describe themselves as Liberal but would be on very opposite ends of that compass. [Post edited 1 Jun 2017 11:28]
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| Lefty or Righty on 11:35 - Jun 1 with 5281 views | Hunterhoop |
Essex, I mean this genuinely, you should not be voting Tory if that's where you plot!
Steve, same for you.
Remember when I told you both more people are Liberals than realise it, and that the Lib Dems represent most closely the views of most people on the UK? Several cases in point here.
The only thing I would say, having studied Politics and paid attention to the Political Compass site for about 15 years now, is that I always felt they slightly misplaced "the middle" of their axis. Where you centre the grid, and therefore how disparate you place parties, former politicians, and survey takers, is inherently linked. But who and how is the "centre determined"? I think if the centre were shifted two points to the right and two points higher than now, you'd have a more accurate "middle" for today.
Me, I usually come out pretty central (left to right), occassionally 1-2 points to the left, and always 2-3 points liberal side socially. And that's another thing to note, we all change over time and are all influenced by our environment at any give time. If you retake that test again in a week/month/year, your exact plotting will change slightly, but that's to be expected. The nature of a pure multiple option survey, will cause that. | | | |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:36 - Jun 1 with 5279 views | headhoops |
uncanny - exactly where I place my penalty's....... |  |
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| Lefty or Righty on 11:38 - Jun 1 with 5277 views | exiled_dictator |
Holy crap
I barely made it onto the map |  |
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| Lefty or Righty on 11:42 - Jun 1 with 5264 views | FDC |
Who would have known with had so many repressed anarchists on LFW?
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| Lefty or Righty on 11:45 - Jun 1 with 5253 views | FDC |
Incidentally (and in belated reply to Hunter and his insistence that I'm a liberal), if absolutely pressed on it I'd describe my politics as left-libertarian/libertarian-communist (bottom left corner of the quadrant). Which is where most people who do that quiz end up too.
Which could be because the quiz is flawed, or because a lot people are more left-wing and libertarian than they think they are... | | | |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:50 - Jun 1 with 5232 views | TacticalR |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:17 - Jun 1 by Hunterhoop |
No, she wasn't.
She was economically a neoliberal (she and Regan gave birth to it).
Socially, which is what that grid's y axis is measuring, Thatchers was authoritarian, and most certainly not a believer in social liberalism.
Bazza, go and read John Stuart Mills, and come back and say Thatcher was a liberal. Utter nonsense.
Neoliberalism and liberalism are entirely different. Neoliberalism is liberalism with the social and human conscience removed, thereby rendering it nothing like liberalism whatsoever. Incredibly lazy for anyone to suggest otherwise. |
An interesting article which dismisses the concept of 'neoliberalism' as having any explanatory power, while making the point that capitalists don't control capitalism:
'The myth goes like this: During the 1980s, Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, two arch right-wing and highly potent politicians, rose to power in their respective nations, the U.S. and the U.K. They thereafter began to institute what was for the vast majority a vile and destructive political and economic scheme: "neoliberalism." Previous to the instalment of this neoliberal scheme, the working class had experienced relative economic improvement, and capitalists seemed happy too (as if we care). But suddenly, and seemingly without cause (although the failure of Keynesianism was apparent in the unprecedented stagflation of the 1970s), these evil political twins, prompted by wizards who formalized the approach, introduced the nefarious ideology of neoliberalism to the world. As cruel and heartless representatives of the capitalist class (which, indeed, they were), they and their supporters caused the Fall from the supposed Paradise of Keynesian reformism that had preceded them. In this mythological version of reality, neoliberalism is understood merely as a set of essentially unwarranted and unusually brutal policies, an ideological and political formation that was hatched in the brains of evil masterminds conspiring in right-wing think tanks, concocted to dupe and punish the vast majority for the benefit of the rich and powerful.
This narrative sounds cartoonish or religious in character, but only because it is — not because I have made it so. It is a typical leftist personification of world-historical forces in lieu of an actual analysis within political economy. It amounts to what I have elsewhere called "political reductionism," which is similar to what Andrew Kliman has referred to as "political determinism." Kliman describes political determinism as such: "They [Keynesians and social democrats] think that the capitalists [and/or their political representatives] control capitalism - not the other way around - so that the system can become something it' s not once different people with different priorities assume control of it." Thus, if only such people as Reagan and Thatcher had never been elected, or better yet, had never been born...'
Brexit, Trumpism, Sanders, and the Decrepit State of Capitalism: Against Political Determinism
http://www.marxisthumanistinitiative.org/economic-crisis/brexit-trumpism-sanders | |
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| Lefty or Righty on 11:58 - Jun 1 with 5197 views | danehoop |
Absolutely in the middle for both axis - which I think means "all things in moderation" and live and let live. |  |
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| Lefty or Righty on 11:59 - Jun 1 with 5193 views | FDC |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:58 - Jun 1 by danehoop |
Absolutely in the middle for both axis - which I think means "all things in moderation" and live and let live. |
Presumably "live and let live" is quite a libertarian attitude? | | | |
| Lefty or Righty on 12:06 - Jun 1 with 5161 views | Pommyhoop |
F*ck Yeah !! | |
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| Lefty or Righty on 12:16 - Jun 1 with 5119 views | BasingstokeR |
Whoops I closed it - I was in the Green bit similar postition to Headhoops' one |  | | |
| Lefty or Righty on 12:18 - Jun 1 with 5112 views | Hunterhoop |
| Lefty or Righty on 11:24 - Jun 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
She was an economic liberal or a neoliberal if you want. I wasn't referring to social policy.
My point to Steve was that Liberal has a wide meaning far from this compass.
Don't get your knickers in a twist.
The Liberal Democrats (UK) and the Liberal Party (Australia) both describe themselves as Liberal but would be on very opposite ends of that compass. [Post edited 1 Jun 2017 11:28]
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Economic Liberalism and Neoliberalism are still very different things though. That's my issue.
You're deliberately, or unintentionally trying to lump Thatcher in with Liberalism when she wasn't Liberal in any sense, her economic approach gave birth to Neoliberalism. She would sit, on this map, towards the top right.
Even classic economic liberalism still held a belief that govt intervention was required to a certain degree to ensure harm wasn't brought. That's a key difference with Thatcher and Neoliberalism.
Equally, a huge part of economic liberalism is about free markets and freedom of movement, ie....if you believe in "Remain", you are, to a degree, an economic liberal.
I'm not surprised where Steve sits, I think it's right. He's clearly never believed in economic liberalism (absolutely reasonable stance), but does believe in social liberalism (libertarianism). He doesn't get as far as socialism/Marxism economically. At present, whether he likes it or not, he's a "liberal" more than he's a "Tory" or a "Corbynista". | | | |
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