| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow 15:40 - Oct 4 with 9063 views | Groo |
Must be a mate of Trampie's being a Welsh nationalist.
He publishes a totally inaccurate piece and can't take it when people try to put him right and points out a simple bit of hypocrisy on his part.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's great to have people with Welsh ancestry in Argentina but these are not Welsh, they are Argentinian, so to describe Welshman against Welshman in the Falklands War is a bit of an insult to the actual Welshmen.
The piece alludes to Argentina having rights over the Falklands by stating inaccurate, misleading and incomplete history, totally missing the British side.
Of course he hates Britain and the English. He can't see that the Europeans in South and North America (Welsh included) have taken the land of the original inhabitants, exactly as he states the English has done in Wales, but its OK there as its not Wales.
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:14 - Oct 8 with 1094 views | Lohengrin |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:12 - Oct 8 by exiledclaseboy |
I was in Jersey last week. Now that's an island worth keeping hold of. Lovely place. Much more desirable than the rancid, remote old Falklands. |
It's nicer in Jersey than Clase as well. Perhaps we could let the dagoes have that?  |  |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:19 - Oct 8 with 1088 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:14 - Oct 8 by Lohengrin |
It's nicer in Jersey than Clase as well. Perhaps we could let the dagoes have that? |
Fine by me, I have no ties to the old place any more.  |  |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:23 - Oct 8 with 1085 views | lifelong |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:12 - Oct 8 by exiledclaseboy |
I was in Jersey last week. Now that's an island worth keeping hold of. Lovely place. Much more desirable than the rancid, remote old Falklands. |
Went to Jersey in 1967, nice Island, flew from Swansea Airport in a 2 prop Dakota aircraft, that was an experience in itself. |  | | |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:23 - Oct 8 with 1085 views | blueytheblue |
I do wonder if Argentinians will give their land back to the true native descendants of the indigenous natives; after all it was colonised by Spain and then Colombia?
How deliciously ironic the Spanish control was devastated after us hardy Brits beat the sh*t out of the Spanish at Trafalgar. Why those Argies should be cheering us rather than trying to steal our land. |  |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:29 - Oct 8 with 1079 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:23 - Oct 8 by lifelong |
Went to Jersey in 1967, nice Island, flew from Swansea Airport in a 2 prop Dakota aircraft, that was an experience in itself. |
I wasn't born then. I flew from Bristol, slightly bigger aeroplane but not much. 400 cigarettes for £40 on the plane though. Happy days. | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:30 - Oct 8 with 1079 views | DJack |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:12 - Oct 8 by exiledclaseboy |
I was in Jersey last week. Now that's an island worth keeping hold of. Lovely place. Much more desirable than the rancid, remote old Falklands. |
Isn't it stolen from the French though.  |  |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:50 - Oct 8 with 1064 views | Groo |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:23 - Oct 8 by blueytheblue |
I do wonder if Argentinians will give their land back to the true native descendants of the indigenous natives; after all it was colonised by Spain and then Colombia?
How deliciously ironic the Spanish control was devastated after us hardy Brits beat the sh*t out of the Spanish at Trafalgar. Why those Argies should be cheering us rather than trying to steal our land. |
Actually the British attacked the Viceroyalty de la Plata twice during the Napoleanic wars, the first was unauthorised and the commanding officer was court martialed when he returned, the second was authorised but they sent an inexperienced officer who lost it in the siege of Buenos Aires.
The result of this was Napolean realising Spain was his weak link and he replaced the Spanish King with his brother and Britain then helping free Spain via Portugal (loved the Sharpe series based on this).
In the meantime the South American colonies started to rebel starting from Buenos Aires, as they defended themselves without Spanish help and felt alienated from the Napoleonic King.
British soldiers who stayed behind after the attacks were even part of the rebelious army. | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:53 - Oct 8 with 1060 views | perchrockjack |
Swansea Airport vicinity was a handy to learn to drive .
My grand dad flew to Jersey too from Fairwood.
It was like going to the moon ,then | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:57 - Oct 8 with 1052 views | Dr_Winston |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:30 - Oct 8 by DJack |
Isn't it stolen from the French though. |
Jersey was part of the Duchy of Normandy in 1066.
Technically it stole us. |  |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:59 - Oct 8 with 1048 views | exiledclaseboy |
Jersey has a unique policing system, I learned this last week.
Google it. It's fascinating. . | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 18:01 - Oct 8 with 1045 views | DJack |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 17:57 - Oct 8 by Dr_Winston |
Jersey was part of the Duchy of Normandy in 1066.
Technically it stole us. |
AH! So we should give it back to the French speaking Vikings... | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 10:56 - Oct 9 with 994 views | Loyal |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 18:43 - Oct 4 by Groo |
Doubt that very much.
Apart from the Islanders being very much against it, what rights do Argentina have to the Islands?
Everyone wants a peaceful solution, a legal option has be available through arbitration or the International Courts for decades, yet they do not use this route.
If they are as in the right that they tell everyone, then why not go the legal route and end it once and for all. |
Any govt that endorses that will never live it down.
Too many British lives lost.
That was a very personal conflict. |  |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 11:02 - Oct 9 with 991 views | trampie |
Some say Argentina have the strongest claim due to a line through Spain.
I have seen it said that Welsh died on both sides. |  |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 11:11 - Oct 9 with 988 views | Lohengrin |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 11:02 - Oct 9 by trampie |
Some say Argentina have the strongest claim due to a line through Spain.
I have seen it said that Welsh died on both sides. |
The lion's share of those who have wielded political and military influence in the Argentine have tended to be of Italian rather than Spanish descent.
"Some may say" that in reality Juan Antonio Frederico de Thomas from Chubut is less Welsh than your average Corgi. | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 11:21 - Oct 9 with 977 views | blueytheblue |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 11:02 - Oct 9 by trampie |
Some say Argentina have the strongest claim due to a line through Spain.
I have seen it said that Welsh died on both sides. |
Some would be pretty thick then because that argument would logically lead to Spain having the "strongest claim" not the Argies.
EDIT: And of course it exposes the intellectual paucity of modern day (g)nats; want their nation to be self-deterministic yet deny the same right to the Falkland Islanders. [Post edited 9 Oct 2016 11:23]
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 11:33 - Oct 9 with 746 views | Lohengrin |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 11:21 - Oct 9 by blueytheblue |
Some would be pretty thick then because that argument would logically lead to Spain having the "strongest claim" not the Argies.
EDIT: And of course it exposes the intellectual paucity of modern day (g)nats; want their nation to be self-deterministic yet deny the same right to the Falkland Islanders. [Post edited 9 Oct 2016 11:23]
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Much of this barely understood crap about historic claims they try and trot out has nothing whatever to do with The Falklands it just constitutes another opportunity to do Britain down. That's all this is. Nothing more. | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 11:51 - Oct 9 with 733 views | blueytheblue |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 11:33 - Oct 9 by Lohengrin |
Much of this barely understood crap about historic claims they try and trot out has nothing whatever to do with The Falklands it just constitutes another opportunity to do Britain down. That's all this is. Nothing more. |
Well, quite.
(G)nats driven by nothing more than sheer naked hatred. | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 12:40 - Oct 9 with 720 views | trampie |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 11:21 - Oct 9 by blueytheblue |
Some would be pretty thick then because that argument would logically lead to Spain having the "strongest claim" not the Argies.
EDIT: And of course it exposes the intellectual paucity of modern day (g)nats; want their nation to be self-deterministic yet deny the same right to the Falkland Islanders. [Post edited 9 Oct 2016 11:23]
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uti possidetis juris
France founded the first settlement, Spain bought it from the French, Argentina then gained independence from Spain gaining all the territory from the colonial power [uti possidetis juris]. | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 12:55 - Oct 9 with 709 views | Lohengrin |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 12:40 - Oct 9 by trampie |
uti possidetis juris
France founded the first settlement, Spain bought it from the French, Argentina then gained independence from Spain gaining all the territory from the colonial power [uti possidetis juris]. |
Or we could cite UN General Assembly Resolution 1514, point 2:
"All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."
The Falklands referendum of 2013 where the population voted by 99.8%, on a 91.94% turn-out, to retain the link with the United Kingdom says to me that the kelpers have exercised that right in unequivocal fashion. | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 12:55 - Oct 9 with 709 views | blueytheblue |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 12:40 - Oct 9 by trampie |
uti possidetis juris
France founded the first settlement, Spain bought it from the French, Argentina then gained independence from Spain gaining all the territory from the colonial power [uti possidetis juris]. |
Well, Trampie sadly for you that's not quite the case.
The earliest settlements were French and English; the first recorded landing was by the English. Yes, the French surrendered it to the Spanish; the Spanish however then captured the English settlement only to lose it back after being beaten by an army not comprising cheese eating surrender monkeys.
Like it or not, Falkland Islands have their own government devolved from the UK government. A true (g)nats dream, surely? | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 13:09 - Oct 9 with 699 views | trampie |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 12:55 - Oct 9 by blueytheblue |
Well, Trampie sadly for you that's not quite the case.
The earliest settlements were French and English; the first recorded landing was by the English. Yes, the French surrendered it to the Spanish; the Spanish however then captured the English settlement only to lose it back after being beaten by an army not comprising cheese eating surrender monkeys.
Like it or not, Falkland Islands have their own government devolved from the UK government. A true (g)nats dream, surely? |
To claim an empty territory, you need to settle it and rule it to claim ownership ?
France did that, Spain bought it and Argentina gained independence from Spain.
What is the claim of the British State - squatters rights perhaps ? | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 13:13 - Oct 9 with 694 views | blueytheblue |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 13:09 - Oct 9 by trampie |
To claim an empty territory, you need to settle it and rule it to claim ownership ?
France did that, Spain bought it and Argentina gained independence from Spain.
What is the claim of the British State - squatters rights perhaps ? |
France settled in one area; English settled a different area within two years.
Which completely sh*ts all over your point. | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 13:24 - Oct 9 with 683 views | trampie |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 13:13 - Oct 9 by blueytheblue |
France settled in one area; English settled a different area within two years.
Which completely sh*ts all over your point. |
That could be said to back Argentina's claim as the French settled there first, the British came later and apparently did not know the French was there as they were on a different part of the island, back to being squatters perhaps ? | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 13:51 - Oct 9 with 669 views | blueytheblue |
| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 13:24 - Oct 9 by trampie |
That could be said to back Argentina's claim as the French settled there first, the British came later and apparently did not know the French was there as they were on a different part of the island, back to being squatters perhaps ? |
Wrong.
Different islands, see. Spanish invaded and took the English settlement only to get the s*** kicked out of them. Something the Argies fail to grasp.
Regardless of your tenuous grasp of the history, the Falklands have self-determinism. Surely that should be championed by a proud (g)nat such as yourself? | |
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| Jac o' the North, an open minded fellow on 14:17 - Oct 9 with 658 views | trampie |
See the 'guest writer' view on that particular vote.
I was aware at the time where lots of the Worlds sympathies seemed to lay, Belgium apparently would not sell us a certain product, America was indifferent and Israel sold the Argies weapons during the war. [Post edited 9 Oct 2016 14:47]
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