| Has FG lost the players ? 19:09 - Sep 18 with 11875 views | icecoldjack |
There seems to be a real problem.
Gylfi seems to be playing with a major strop, Taylor and Ki arguing with the manager in front of millions in consecutive weeks, the team overall looking devoid of interest,something is seriously wrong IMO.
FG in his after match press interview mentioned something that i think is at the crux of it all
"I do not think it is a problem for players to change formation. We will speak to the players and the assistants to work out the problem."
That tells me the players arn't buying into his ideas and by fook it sure looks that way! he can only coach whats in front of him but if he can't change that what does he or the club do ?
I think he's lost the players, far too many off colour performers for it to be anything else.
Thoughts?
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 12:40 - Sep 19 with 1582 views | DafyddHuw |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 19:42 - Sep 18 by Swanzay |
Is it a simple question that if you dont/CANT select players as that decision is made for you , then naturally he has no authority or respect.
Which is no fault of his own, I assume he is one hand behind is back.
The players maybe think they are cosy as irrelevant whos in charge, they know they are not really....
He has no power, to do shite, unless Sir huw says... |
Totally disagree with this. There's clubs all over the world where they havs a director of football who deals with all the players in/out, and the manager just manages the squad he's presented with.
I don't understand why you say that this model doesn't work, when it does in most clubs. |  | | |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 12:41 - Sep 19 with 1582 views | fbreath |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 12:26 - Sep 19 by Private_Partz |
You could be right but if it is the case it is not a new scenario. You mention Monk but it was the same with ML and Sousa. Changing managers under the current system of Huw wheeling and dealing will not change that situation. A manager needs HIS players. Those he knows and those who want to play for him.
I suggest that those rocking the boat need to be hung out to dry in the reserves and got rid of in January. Those who will support FG need to be in the team until we can rectify things.
If FG cannot offer such players with his contacts then he must go as we need a manager who can. I say 'if' as I belive he has with his vast knowledge of players with his lengthy career. There also lies a problem in recruiting a new manager as who else would come to this club with such an egotistical, penny pinching, snail paced man at the helm?
Have some humility Huw. Back FG, get the Yanks on board, and get in a DOF and scouting team who actually know the game. [Post edited 19 Sep 2016 12:28]
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Do you think Huw spotted Paloschi or did FG recommend him as someone he knew was good for a dog fight.
FG wouldn't have been in the game this long without knowing good players and the right players for a particular scenario. |  |
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:11 - Sep 19 with 1537 views | Private_Partz |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 12:41 - Sep 19 by fbreath |
Do you think Huw spotted Paloschi or did FG recommend him as someone he knew was good for a dog fight.
FG wouldn't have been in the game this long without knowing good players and the right players for a particular scenario. |
I suspect he was a FG signing in desperate times. Once we were safe and the status quo prevailed. I was surprised he left us as he was well suited to the high pressing game. It must have been personal reasons and difficulty in settling. I had hopes for him this year and I thought we would have brought in some other bargains from the Italian leagues hence this window and attitude of the board has been a massive disappointment for me. I suspect it also is for FG as well and if things don't improve I can see him walking. |  |
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:17 - Sep 19 with 1518 views | raynor94 |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:11 - Sep 19 by Private_Partz |
I suspect he was a FG signing in desperate times. Once we were safe and the status quo prevailed. I was surprised he left us as he was well suited to the high pressing game. It must have been personal reasons and difficulty in settling. I had hopes for him this year and I thought we would have brought in some other bargains from the Italian leagues hence this window and attitude of the board has been a massive disappointment for me. I suspect it also is for FG as well and if things don't improve I can see him walking. |
It can't have been that much of a disappointment to him or he would never have tolerated being dictated to in this way, he can hardly walk and say this was all a surprise to him, I was bitterly disappointed in him yesterday he didn't seem to have a clue |  |
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:21 - Sep 19 with 1513 views | Swanjaxs |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 12:40 - Sep 19 by DafyddHuw |
Totally disagree with this. There's clubs all over the world where they havs a director of football who deals with all the players in/out, and the manager just manages the squad he's presented with.
I don't understand why you say that this model doesn't work, when it does in most clubs. |
You are correct mate, directors of football can work, thing is our director of football is clueless and needs to be replaced..... |  |
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:22 - Sep 19 with 1510 views | Private_Partz |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:17 - Sep 19 by raynor94 |
It can't have been that much of a disappointment to him or he would never have tolerated being dictated to in this way, he can hardly walk and say this was all a surprise to him, I was bitterly disappointed in him yesterday he didn't seem to have a clue |
Well I don't think any manager would come out this early in the season and express disappointment. There is still hope as well. We have new signings who have not got into the team yet. He could easily have been taken in by the Huw Admiration Society, as the Yanks are, and was therfore happy to let the situation prevail.
I dont think he is clueless at all. He was bitterly disappointed in the performance yesterday however and he has every right to be. | |
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:30 - Sep 19 with 1491 views | raynor94 |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:22 - Sep 19 by Private_Partz |
Well I don't think any manager would come out this early in the season and express disappointment. There is still hope as well. We have new signings who have not got into the team yet. He could easily have been taken in by the Huw Admiration Society, as the Yanks are, and was therfore happy to let the situation prevail.
I dont think he is clueless at all. He was bitterly disappointed in the performance yesterday however and he has every right to be. |
Well last week's three at the back, and yesterday he changed formation three times, says something different, his whole demeanour and explanations are very worrying, oh well it's only Pep he's tactically up against this week  | |
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:39 - Sep 19 with 1466 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:30 - Sep 19 by raynor94 |
Well last week's three at the back, and yesterday he changed formation three times, says something different, his whole demeanour and explanations are very worrying, oh well it's only Pep he's tactically up against this week |
You don't seem to get that it wouldn't matter what formation he chose, if the players aren't performing to their max ability it is totally immaterial.
He started with the same set-up he ended with against Chelsea, which seemed to work quite well and this week the players completely let him down.
They played with far less skill, urgency and passion as they had against Chelsea.
Whether they disagree with what the manager is trying to do they should still be playing for the Club, the Fans and their own self respect.
Some of them did not. |  | | |
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:46 - Sep 19 with 1439 views | raynor94 |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:39 - Sep 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
You don't seem to get that it wouldn't matter what formation he chose, if the players aren't performing to their max ability it is totally immaterial.
He started with the same set-up he ended with against Chelsea, which seemed to work quite well and this week the players completely let him down.
They played with far less skill, urgency and passion as they had against Chelsea.
Whether they disagree with what the manager is trying to do they should still be playing for the Club, the Fans and their own self respect.
Some of them did not. |
And I 100% agree with you of course they should be playing with passion, but they aren't Leicester away was the same, the question must be why aren't they playing for him, let's see what happens this week with Baston fit | |
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:47 - Sep 19 with 1434 views | LeonisGod |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:39 - Sep 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
You don't seem to get that it wouldn't matter what formation he chose, if the players aren't performing to their max ability it is totally immaterial.
He started with the same set-up he ended with against Chelsea, which seemed to work quite well and this week the players completely let him down.
They played with far less skill, urgency and passion as they had against Chelsea.
Whether they disagree with what the manager is trying to do they should still be playing for the Club, the Fans and their own self respect.
Some of them did not. |
Bit of a pattern emerging under Guido - we normally raise our game for the bigger clubs. I wasn't especially surprised we picked up against Chelsea and I expect us to again put in a better shift against City. Whether it will be enough to get a point or three though is another matter. |  | | |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:54 - Sep 19 with 1407 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:47 - Sep 19 by LeonisGod |
Bit of a pattern emerging under Guido - we normally raise our game for the bigger clubs. I wasn't especially surprised we picked up against Chelsea and I expect us to again put in a better shift against City. Whether it will be enough to get a point or three though is another matter. |
Are they the way they are at the moment, because like us they can't currently see where the goals are going to come from to make us competitive.
It must be difficult to take when they do work hard and it all comes to nothing.
Very much like when Gomis was the only "Striker". [Post edited 19 Sep 2016 14:11]
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 14:04 - Sep 19 with 1394 views | monmouth |
Guidolin actually answers the op's question himself when he says he'll have to ask the players why they didn't press, pass, or move or whatever words he used. They are not doing what he asks which is as good a description of 'lost' as any.
If it gets to 0-2 against City in the first half hour there will be a horrible reaction I think, even though everybody should accept that it's very likely. |  |
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 14:12 - Sep 19 with 1376 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 14:04 - Sep 19 by monmouth |
Guidolin actually answers the op's question himself when he says he'll have to ask the players why they didn't press, pass, or move or whatever words he used. They are not doing what he asks which is as good a description of 'lost' as any.
If it gets to 0-2 against City in the first half hour there will be a horrible reaction I think, even though everybody should accept that it's very likely. |
Spot on about his statement. | | | |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 14:15 - Sep 19 with 1369 views | jasper_T |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 13:11 - Sep 19 by Private_Partz |
I suspect he was a FG signing in desperate times. Once we were safe and the status quo prevailed. I was surprised he left us as he was well suited to the high pressing game. It must have been personal reasons and difficulty in settling. I had hopes for him this year and I thought we would have brought in some other bargains from the Italian leagues hence this window and attitude of the board has been a massive disappointment for me. I suspect it also is for FG as well and if things don't improve I can see him walking. |
We had a bid rejected for Paloschi about a month before Guidolin appeared, but he was responsible for getting us to go back in for him for more money.
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 14:24 - Sep 19 with 1348 views | monmouth |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 14:15 - Sep 19 by jasper_T |
We had a bid rejected for Paloschi about a month before Guidolin appeared, but he was responsible for getting us to go back in for him for more money.
Which worked out brilliantly. |
I've seen nothing whatsoever to suggest that Paloschi wasn't a much better option up top than Llorente. he moved, he closed down, he shot and, hell, he even scored. How novel is that. | |
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 15:06 - Sep 19 with 1274 views | UplandsJack |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 14:15 - Sep 19 by jasper_T |
We had a bid rejected for Paloschi about a month before Guidolin appeared, but he was responsible for getting us to go back in for him for more money.
Which worked out brilliantly. |
From what ive subsequently been told, Guidolin recommended Paloschi to HJ during initial conversations that were held over a month - 6 weeks before Guidolin came in.
At that stage he was being sounded out to come in to help assist GM. He was also being sounded out to advise on future player recruitment.
If you have the time or inclination, go back and check early interviews where in one, Guidolin actually states he'd been watching tapes of us for approx a month prior to apparently turning up out of the blue. |  | | |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 15:29 - Sep 19 with 1230 views | andypitt56 |
Obviously Im worried about this season, in regards to where we are going to finish, but it could be worse i guess, look at stoke they spent big money got a fair few players and they only have one point! we can only hope that because of the changes we had over the summer that its going to take a while for the team to gel properly, and we have just had a slow start. we desperately need to find out what our best formation is, i think that is an issue at present. I also dont understand the reason why we cant play 4-5-1 of old, it would be a risk to play both montero and barrow but i really think its coming to the time where we have to take those risks. | | | |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 15:47 - Sep 19 with 1198 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
There's no respect there at all for him
He'll lose the dressing room soon , if not already . |  |
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 17:19 - Sep 19 with 1101 views | stid |
Get him out, Interviews are hard to watch , training videos are under 15s stuff , pre game warm up is embarrassing. Roberto and Rodgers both available for nothing in the summer and we end up this rubbish. | | | |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 17:25 - Sep 19 with 1092 views | vetchonian |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 17:19 - Sep 19 by stid |
Get him out, Interviews are hard to watch , training videos are under 15s stuff , pre game warm up is embarrassing. Roberto and Rodgers both available for nothing in the summer and we end up this rubbish. |
I would never have advocated bringing back either Roberto or Brendan. Managers rarely work second time around.
Roberto worked the first time as he knew the squad and had an idea of what he wanted to achieve and a plan on how to do it. There was already a decent platform in place...not so now and he as proved he couldnt do it elswhere having failed at Wigan and Everton.
I was OK with Guido originally ...had some doubts but as time goes on I am getting concerned . If we do show him the door or he walks the next appointment is crucial! | |
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| Has FG lost the players ? on 17:30 - Sep 19 with 1078 views | Trundle10 |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 17:25 - Sep 19 by vetchonian |
I would never have advocated bringing back either Roberto or Brendan. Managers rarely work second time around.
Roberto worked the first time as he knew the squad and had an idea of what he wanted to achieve and a plan on how to do it. There was already a decent platform in place...not so now and he as proved he couldnt do it elswhere having failed at Wigan and Everton.
I was OK with Guido originally ...had some doubts but as time goes on I am getting concerned . If we do show him the door or he walks the next appointment is crucial! |
I agree sbout FG but after the end we had to last season he had to be given a chance. |  | | |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 17:37 - Sep 19 with 1060 views | stid |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 17:30 - Sep 19 by Trundle10 |
I agree sbout FG but after the end we had to last season he had to be given a chance. |
No he didnt as it was still rubbish to watch...he was brought in to keep us up he done that and that should of been the end and then we go look for someone who plays the Swansea way. Jeff Gylfi Barrow/wayne Borja should be the first names on that sheet every week. | | | |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 17:41 - Sep 19 with 1052 views | Trundle10 |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 17:37 - Sep 19 by stid |
No he didnt as it was still rubbish to watch...he was brought in to keep us up he done that and that should of been the end and then we go look for someone who plays the Swansea way. Jeff Gylfi Barrow/wayne Borja should be the first names on that sheet every week. |
West Ham away anyone? Chelsea home? Borja been injured, gylfi is prob first name, wayne has been crap. Missing your point here tbh | | | |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 17:53 - Sep 19 with 1036 views | stid |
| Has FG lost the players ? on 17:41 - Sep 19 by Trundle10 |
West Ham away anyone? Chelsea home? Borja been injured, gylfi is prob first name, wayne has been crap. Missing your point here tbh |
Ye thats what got him the job...wins when every team above 15th were playing for nothing but our deluded board couldn't see that | | | |
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