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Well that's it, game set and match. UKIP will probably havea handful of right wing idiots in Parliament at the next election all moaning about the usual crap i.e. Europe and immigration all the while letting in Ed Miliband.
It's a reversal of the ideological left in the 80's. The right wing will certainly have more votes but depressingly I can see the two red donuts getting into power just as things as going well. Back to form aye - nice guys back in to screw everything up.
In the longer term this might be what the moderate conservative party needs however.
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Douglas Carswell on 18:01 - Aug 28 with 2817 views
Nah, Carswell has been opportunistic here but I think it'll backfire. I reckon he'll lose the by-election and lose again in May. I remain convinced that UKIP will get between 10-15% of the vote at the GE. No seats.
You may well be right that the right wing vote will be larger than the "left" but there'll be a Labour government. Yet another illustration of the daftness of first past the post. But as you said it'll be a reversal of the 80s and early 90s so I'm not about to shed any tears if it did happen. The irony of the rise of UKIP splitting the right wing vote and costing the Tories seats and, ultimately, the election, is tremendously amusing to me.
Nah, Carswell has been opportunistic here but I think it'll backfire. I reckon he'll lose the by-election and lose again in May. I remain convinced that UKIP will get between 10-15% of the vote at the GE. No seats.
You may well be right that the right wing vote will be larger than the "left" but there'll be a Labour government. Yet another illustration of the daftness of first past the post. But as you said it'll be a reversal of the 80s and early 90s so I'm not about to shed any tears if it did happen. The irony of the rise of UKIP splitting the right wing vote and costing the Tories seats and, ultimately, the election, is tremendously amusing to me.
Amusing to you but dangerous to the Country.
Whatever persuasion you are things are starting to tick along alright generally, yes we could do with a few more pence at the end of the month - lefties have their pet projects like bedroom tax but on a macro level things are getting better.
Yet we could be looking at ........ Ed Miliband as PM........ Ed Balls as Chancellor and ummm some pc feminists
It's a scary prospect, they barely look like an opposition let alone a Gov.
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Douglas Carswell on 20:25 - Aug 28 with 2719 views
Douglas Carswell on 20:17 - Aug 28 by keeponrockin
Amusing to you but dangerous to the Country.
Whatever persuasion you are things are starting to tick along alright generally, yes we could do with a few more pence at the end of the month - lefties have their pet projects like bedroom tax but on a macro level things are getting better.
Yet we could be looking at ........ Ed Miliband as PM........ Ed Balls as Chancellor and ummm some pc feminists
It's a scary prospect, they barely look like an opposition let alone a Gov.
I lost most interest in the perceived differences between the parties long ago, as you know. My own political ideals naturally lean more towards Labour, or at least what Labour used to be, but I have little to no vested interest in bragging them up. My interest in politics these days is almost exclusively a fascination around the system, the mechanics, the personalities. As you'd expect, I do not want to see a majority Tory government next time round (and I'm not going to get into an argument with you about the details of that because we've done it all before and we're not going to agree) but I have no great enthusiasm for Miliband's Labour either. There was a wonderful opportunity after 2010 to turn British politics into something that worked better for everyone but no one seized it, least of all the LibDems.
This ARE getting better, yes, slowly. But only because they had to. It's how the system works.
Douglas Carswell on 20:28 - Aug 28 by keeponrockin
You're becoming more centrist I think, more of a radical centrist liberal than a labour supporter.
No, I disagree. I'm not an ideological socialist any more I don't think but I wouldn't say I was moving towards the centre. These days I'll tend to support what I think is a good idea regardless of where it originates. My job's also a factor, it's more difficult to objectify individuals as "Tory scum" when you actually meet them. That said, I've had to hold my nose and get on with it quite a bit since 2010, like a good civil servant must. Some of the rhetoric has been really off-putting for me.
Interesting reading Sunday Times today on the motives behind Farage and the top of UKIP.
It seems to suggest that the UKIP party has been brought in to destroy the tory party by trying to shift it right and then lead to a split similar to the labour party when it had the militant faction.
It suggests that Farage might secretly want labour to win and lead to a break up of the party with the right leaving to join UKIP and the centre and left leaving to form a new moderate centre right party.
From this I can see a potential for PR in future - personally I'd love to see a one nation tory party come back in the true sense but I can't bare the thought of Ed Miliband as PM.
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