| Station 09:31 - May 2 with 11527 views | 1jack |
Is it now time for the club to seriously look at putting a small railway station near the ground. Several times since we've been at the liberty I have walked from high street and got bloody soaked. I would use this for every game and obviously there are others that would, the infrastructure is there and I believe it would cost around £1 million. Anyone else think this should happen?
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| Station on 11:20 - May 2 with 3026 views | 1983 |
| Station on 10:57 - May 2 by tomdickharry |
No, as I am not a railway person,but it just takes a modicum of common sense related to cost to realise that it just will not happen.Just look at one simple reason in the 1983 post, time table, trains just don't stop and start again without a prescribed time which has to be programmed into a complex system and also published,this has to happen in the time table of all trains that come and go from Swansea,therefore,as an example the Paddington to Swansea time table has to be amended accordingly,just tell me who is going to foot the bill for that one,no,I'll tell you Swansea City,an intangible cost that will never ever be taken on by our club. |
You're exactly on the right track TDH...no pun intended [Post edited 2 May 2014 11:20]
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| Station on 11:26 - May 2 with 3015 views | Dyfnant |
| Station on 11:16 - May 2 by 1983 |
I'm just a railway worker with knowledge of the railway.
At the end of the day it all comes down to pounds, shillings and pence and in the big grand scheme of things our glorious leaders will spend it on 101 other things before a railway station that gets used once every fortnight. |
Logic should say it's not about how often it's used but about footfall, which I expect would be far in excess of the majority of stops within 10 mile of it |  |
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| Station on 11:29 - May 2 with 3009 views | JackSomething |
| Station on 10:56 - May 2 by Molliemick |
The idea is a good one but with the facts you have presented you have shown your acceptance of the status quo. WAG wastes huge amounts of money but spends little in West Wales. As a local 'expert', please try to give us some positive information not simply dismiss the whole project out of hand. Thanks |
The guy has worked in the railway industry and is giving us the benefit of his experience, it's not his fault if there's no positive information to give!
In an ideal world, opening the station at Landore would happen, but I've read many times it's just not going to happen due to the costs involved.
Not sure why people are so obsessed with the idea. Others have suggested having a fleet of buses hired to transport fans to different areas, which is something other clubs do, so why not concentrate on that? |  |
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| Station on 11:32 - May 2 with 3002 views | JackSomething |
| Station on 11:26 - May 2 by Dyfnant |
Logic should say it's not about how often it's used but about footfall, which I expect would be far in excess of the majority of stops within 10 mile of it |
Footfall probably would be more than other stops, but only for around 20-30 days out of the year, plus whatever small number may use it for Ospreys games.
The Swans mean a lot to us, but they're hardly top of the list of priorities when it comes to Welsh Government and Swansea Council budget allocations. | |
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| Station on 11:45 - May 2 with 2985 views | 1983 |
As regards to the WAG and the railway, the line that goes up through the centre of Wales from Llanelli to Shrewsbury (the heart of Wales line) is totally subsidised by the WAG and if they pulled money out of that it would close tomorrow no question. | |
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| Station on 12:00 - May 2 with 2965 views | Clinton |
Afraid to say, reopen ing Landore would not make economic sense. Look how much it cost to lay a few slabs around Swansea station, allegedly to make it into a transport hub
One partial answer would be to actually run extra buses along the special bus lane they constructed round the back of Hafod. they built the thing but don't have the sense to use it very much to alleviate congestion on match days.
The club could put in the transport plan that they would run extra buses along the stretch between the bus station, train station and The liberty. Then extra buses to and from the park and rides. The council could not really turn it down as a plan because it builds on and utilises the infrastructure that the council put in place at such enormous cost. I reckon the club would have to fork out for extra bus hire and services, but that would not cost anywhere near as much as reopen ing Landore. |  |
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| Station on 12:10 - May 2 with 2955 views | JackSomething |
| Station on 12:00 - May 2 by Clinton |
Afraid to say, reopen ing Landore would not make economic sense. Look how much it cost to lay a few slabs around Swansea station, allegedly to make it into a transport hub
One partial answer would be to actually run extra buses along the special bus lane they constructed round the back of Hafod. they built the thing but don't have the sense to use it very much to alleviate congestion on match days.
The club could put in the transport plan that they would run extra buses along the stretch between the bus station, train station and The liberty. Then extra buses to and from the park and rides. The council could not really turn it down as a plan because it builds on and utilises the infrastructure that the council put in place at such enormous cost. I reckon the club would have to fork out for extra bus hire and services, but that would not cost anywhere near as much as reopen ing Landore. |
Now that is a good suggestion. I completely forgot about that extra bus lane.
It'll add to the traffic between where it rejoins Neath Road up to the roundabout by the liberty, but then they could take the bus lane at the roundabout and drop off/pick up between Vesuvios and Rossis.
All you would need is some people stopping cars parking on that stretch and you could have plenty of buses stopping and loading/unloading safely. | |
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| Station on 12:24 - May 2 with 2930 views | Morfa_Same |
| Station on 10:27 - May 2 by tomdickharry |
Thank goodness at last someone has come up with sound reasons why the Landore station will not be reopened,the possibility has been labored in the hundreds of posts on Stadium expansion so lets hope that the facts now before us park this subject in the sidings once and for all. It will not happen. |
There's no reason at all why Landore can't be reopened on match days. Birmingham do exactly the same thing with Bordesley station. It's long since closed but they open it on matchdays for a couple of hours before and after the match. It only takes a few moments for trains passing through to make an extra stop. All common sense really (which is why it won't happen around here). |  | | |
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| Station on 12:36 - May 2 with 2911 views | NOTRAC |
It is not impossible for stations closed even under the Beeching axe to be reopened.Llantrisant(now Pontyclun ) is one example .
Indeed Ninian Park Halt was closed and reopened a few years ago
Unfortunately there are too many people who are too negative where Swansea is concerned.Pretend we were talking about Cardiff and then you'ld see some action. |  |
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| Station on 13:12 - May 2 with 2888 views | westside |
when they build the hafod bypass by extending morfa road up along the river to landore.
they could take one of the railway sidings at high street station and also extend it up to landore alongside the new morfa road bypass.
then build a platform by the copperworks and run a little train back and forth between high street and landore.
it could be used for the liberty stadium, copperworks future museum, morfa shopping park, copper quarter and residents and workers of hafod/landore/lower llansamlet area.
wag are spending fortunes on transport in south east wales.
£60 million cardiff airport.
£2 billion metro.
£1 billion m4 relief road.
yet they aren't delivering any grand transport plans for swansea when a train station in landore could be part of a bigger transport plan for swansea area. |  | | |
| Station on 14:10 - May 2 with 2854 views | LeonisGod |
Station would be great, but it will never happen. They can't even get buses matching up with match times, especially on Sundays and evening. What chance is there for the joined-up thinking that would be needed to put in decent rail infrastructure that would help ease road traffic around the ground - very little imo. |  | | |
| Station on 17:47 - May 2 with 2755 views | Brynmill_Jack |
To be fair if the club can't even get around the table with first Cymru to put some extra buses on around match times to get people to and from the ground to discourage people taking their cars what f*cking hope have we got for a railway station?
Again the lack of any information/ideas being presented by the club to the fans is rather akin to the silence they're keeping over the expansion issue. |  |
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| Station on 17:53 - May 2 with 2751 views | Brynmill_Jack |
And with the money they're now earning out of the club it's about time they remembered those they used to number themselves among - the ordinary fans. | |
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| Station on 18:00 - May 2 with 2742 views | Private_Partz |
Thanks for that JackH. It is actually a very funny photo with the No Entry sign :-) |  |
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| Station on 18:13 - May 2 with 2644 views | oldgrey |
An even cheaper and easy solution would be to just have lots of buses before and after games. From the bus station, railway station via the new bypass road to the park and ride and points north. | | | |
| Station on 18:21 - May 2 with 2636 views | Private_Partz |
In the first instance that would seem to be the best solution Oldgrey. When the White Rock opened we had three park and rides I think. Only one running now. These could be easily and cheaply resurrected.
It does not alter that fact that the transport infrastructure of Wales ( outside of Cardiff) needs to be addressed urgently. | |
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| Station on 18:26 - May 2 with 2632 views | Neath_Jack |
Those saying it can't be done are talking utter tosh. Of course it will cost money, but what doesn't. I'll give you a few examples, Briton Ferry and Skewen have opened stations in the last 20 years or so. |  |
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| Station on 18:34 - May 2 with 2621 views | raynor94 |
| Station on 18:26 - May 2 by Neath_Jack |
Those saying it can't be done are talking utter tosh. Of course it will cost money, but what doesn't. I'll give you a few examples, Briton Ferry and Skewen have opened stations in the last 20 years or so. |
Even llansamlet has a station! I don't buy into this landore can't be reopened as an earlier post said Brum manage it quite easily |  |
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| Station on 18:37 - May 2 with 2618 views | Neath_Jack |
| Station on 18:34 - May 2 by raynor94 |
Even llansamlet has a station! I don't buy into this landore can't be reopened as an earlier post said Brum manage it quite easily |
Of course it can be done.
I remember when there were eminent posters on here trying to tell us that the Liberty couldn't be extended too. I've been in Civil Engineering all my life, there isn't a lot that can't be done these days. | |
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| Station on 18:48 - May 2 with 2607 views | junior_jack |
I too work within the rail industry. I agree with everything that 1983 has said, the cost will be phenomenal. The only real chance of opening a new station is if it is tied in with the over head electrification scheme. The area is going to be re-signaled so it would be the cheapest time to do it. |  | | |
| Station on 18:58 - May 2 with 2596 views | Dyfnant |
| Station on 18:48 - May 2 by junior_jack |
I too work within the rail industry. I agree with everything that 1983 has said, the cost will be phenomenal. The only real chance of opening a new station is if it is tied in with the over head electrification scheme. The area is going to be re-signaled so it would be the cheapest time to do it. |
Landore can be served by trains coming from west wales, those trains drive right through it. Under 10 minutes travel time from Gowerton, which would need a much bigger car park though.
It's already proven by the park & ride failures that people will not use buses for part journeys, sorting a solution for those travelling across the city from west to East will solve the majority of current problems | |
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| Station on 19:20 - May 2 with 2574 views | junior_jack |
| Station on 18:58 - May 2 by Dyfnant |
Landore can be served by trains coming from west wales, those trains drive right through it. Under 10 minutes travel time from Gowerton, which would need a much bigger car park though.
It's already proven by the park & ride failures that people will not use buses for part journeys, sorting a solution for those travelling across the city from west to East will solve the majority of current problems |
It's on the South Wales Mainline, all trains go through it. Personally I don't think that the old Landore station would be the best solution if one were to be built. They would never allow a train to block up a junction while fans pour on and off. For me the real solution is Landore Social club. There is an old sidings which could be re-opened and accommodate scheduled trains on match days. | | | |
| Station on 19:25 - May 2 with 2568 views | Dyfnant |
| Station on 19:20 - May 2 by junior_jack |
It's on the South Wales Mainline, all trains go through it. Personally I don't think that the old Landore station would be the best solution if one were to be built. They would never allow a train to block up a junction while fans pour on and off. For me the real solution is Landore Social club. There is an old sidings which could be re-opened and accommodate scheduled trains on match days. |
Even better as there's plenty of empty land there, all we need then is the club to buy the social club and start earning cash pre match | |
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