| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread 13:04 - Jul 10 with 40243 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I think I’ve been quite lucky so far no?
Well managed England play will defeat the Italians by the odd goal.
Here’s me putting the gauntlet down:
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 08:54 - Jul 12 with 1649 views | MrSheen |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 08:42 - Jul 12 by traininvain |
Exactly. Jordan Henderson’s one of England’s most experienced players and he missed his pen vs Colombia in 2018.
They obviously practised penalties in training and decided the order beforehand rather than picking at the end of extra time.
My only slight criticism would be whether it’s wise to have three young players in a row taking pens as they all seemed to fall apart after Rashford’s miss. |
Poor Saka had his worst game, seemed to freeze when he came on. Surely he should have been pulled out of the firing line. Good to see he and the others weren't Mbapped afterwards. [Post edited 12 Jul 2021 9:52]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 08:56 - Jul 12 with 1632 views | Ranger_Things |
I thought Southgate's interview afterwards was superb. I doubt any fan is hurting as much as him but he stayed measured and composed. Also the way he tried to protect his players from blame on the penalties. He really is a class act. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:02 - Jul 12 with 1583 views | CiderwithRsie |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 07:58 - Jul 12 by loftboy |
Unfortunately due to the next World Cup being in Qatar I reckon it will be a sigh American team that wins it, can’t see any European team being able to play consistently in that sort of heat. |
Me too, I'm afraid |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:11 - Jul 12 with 1506 views | stevec |
Thing I felt from the whole tournament is the lack of great goal scorers these days.
Ronaldo wins the golden boot, an all round great player, but apart from him who is there? Thought Stones and Maguire were good but don’t think they were ever really tested throughout. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:22 - Jul 12 with 1461 views | bosh67 |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:02 - Jul 12 by CiderwithRsie |
Me too, I'm afraid |
I thought I'd heard that most Qatar games were being played in air conditioned roofed stadiums? |  |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:22 - Jul 12 with 1453 views | onlyrinmoray |
Have we signed Johansen yet . |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:25 - Jul 12 with 1433 views | traininvain |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:02 - Jul 12 by CiderwithRsie |
Me too, I'm afraid |
I wouldn’t be too sure. South American football isn’t going through a great period and Germany won the World Cup in Brazil in 2014. I think it’ll be a European country again. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:26 - Jul 12 with 1432 views | BazzeR |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:11 - Jul 12 by stevec |
Thing I felt from the whole tournament is the lack of great goal scorers these days.
Ronaldo wins the golden boot, an all round great player, but apart from him who is there? Thought Stones and Maguire were good but don’t think they were ever really tested throughout. |
Agree..From the last WC to present England have only beaten teams that they were expected to.
Most disappointing thing last night was England could not even pass sideways and backwards to a teammate.
Parking the Bus from 20mins onwards and keep hoofing the ball to no one upfront is not the way to progress the England team.
Southgate is certainly not the saviour he’s made out to be. | | | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:27 - Jul 12 with 1424 views | Konk |
Absolutely gutted, but I think Italy deserved the win. We were well on top for the opening 20-25 minutes, but then began giving the ball away cheaply, and struggling to win it back. The second-half was largely played in our half and we didn't look to have any idea how to change things. We just couldn't get any control on the game. Extra-time was better for England, but on balance, I think Italy deserved the win. Not just the better side on the night, but as a neutral, they were my favourite side to watch during the tournament.
Not ideal that we had two penalty takers who'd come on with the game over, nor a 19 year old taking our decisive kick, but Southgate got so much else right during the tournament, that I can't really complain about that.
Had quite a difficult conversion around this, as my 6 year old son thought this was actually Jack Grealish's wife and kept on asking why she had 69 as his number, when Grealish was wearing No.7. Explained it wasn't his wife, so he wanted to know why she was pretending to be his wife, and why if she was so in love with him, didn't she know he wore the number 7. Went on for about five minutes. He was in tears at the end, bless. |  |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:30 - Jul 12 with 1407 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Just reading a really good long article on England's failures since 1966 when I was struck dumb by seeing the 2010 squad. Wright-Phillips was in it!  | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:35 - Jul 12 with 1385 views | bosh67 |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:27 - Jul 12 by Konk |
Absolutely gutted, but I think Italy deserved the win. We were well on top for the opening 20-25 minutes, but then began giving the ball away cheaply, and struggling to win it back. The second-half was largely played in our half and we didn't look to have any idea how to change things. We just couldn't get any control on the game. Extra-time was better for England, but on balance, I think Italy deserved the win. Not just the better side on the night, but as a neutral, they were my favourite side to watch during the tournament.
Not ideal that we had two penalty takers who'd come on with the game over, nor a 19 year old taking our decisive kick, but Southgate got so much else right during the tournament, that I can't really complain about that.
Had quite a difficult conversion around this, as my 6 year old son thought this was actually Jack Grealish's wife and kept on asking why she had 69 as his number, when Grealish was wearing No.7. Explained it wasn't his wife, so he wanted to know why she was pretending to be his wife, and why if she was so in love with him, didn't she know he wore the number 7. Went on for about five minutes. He was in tears at the end, bless. |
Agree Konk. They have to dust themselves down and learn from this. They've gone to a semi final to a final and the next step is to game manage on and off the pitch when it comes to the big games. For me it's about owning the midfield in these games and controlling that. We did it so well first half and fell deep second. Italy just stepped up and took control away from us but I think we can structure a way to stop that happening again. Luckily most of this team are so young that several were taking penalties well beyond their bedtimes. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:36 - Jul 12 with 1381 views | wood_hoop |
Ah well, disapointed like so many others but so many good things came out of this tournament, England at last look like a squad to be wary of to the 'big boys' in the football world, Germany Brazil Argentina, Italy Spain etc.
Lots of credit to Southgate and the squad for their actions both on and off the field.
It was great to hear and see so many people from all walks of life enjoying what I believe to be the greatest sport ever devised, whether partaking in a kickabout with your mates, or playing on the ultimate stage in front of tens on thousands.
Back to reality and my first love, only a few weeks and our beautiful club will be back to heal the wounds from this escapade, no doubt bringing tears off joy and squeals of anguish, the life of a football nut is never boring. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:58 - Jul 12 with 1277 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Back to reality.
Never thought I’d see England in a final so very grateful for that.
Can’t condone attacking Wembley staff, but when you charge normal England fans £800 but let in 10,000 on corporate junkets in for free you’re going to get some deserved kickback. Social media the usual cesspit sadly.
Otherwise hard luck England and congratulations Italy.
Looking forward to Qatar next year. It’s been emotional.
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:00 - Jul 12 with 1268 views | 80s_Boy |
I don't think I can add anything to the myriad observations and comments expressed since last night on here, Twitter or in conversations this morning at work but just some thoughts...
We should be immensely proud of this team and what they achieved. Few gave us hope of reaching the final - not even the bi-annual wave of optimism was taken seriously by many - and although it may not have been the most impressive run to a final ever, we had to overcome physiological issues to beat Germany, gave one of THE great performances of any England side in history against Ukraine (arguably one of the greatest performances in European Championships history by any side) and, of course, had to dig deep against Denmark whilst playing some of the most mature football I have ever seen England play.
Did last night hurt? Absolutely. Were there a few things we got wrong last night? Absolutely. The tactics were bizarre at times when it was obvious Italy were becoming most likely to win, as was the decision to plan subs around the possibilities of penalties.
As for the penalties, it's alright saying 'you should see the players in training to understand why they were nominated' but that's niave. It should have been the most experienced players because you can not replicate the pressures those players were under last night at St George's. Also, and it's an observation rather than an attempt to single out someone to blame, Rashford's penalty was awful and future England players should be told to cut out all nonsense when taking penalties in a shoot out.
Will we come back again? Possibly, though it was worrying how easily Italy managed to make us look very poor using simple passes and equally worrying that some were saying during the week that few, if any Italy players would get into our starting XI. We aren't on the cusp of greatness and have a lot of work to do. Having inflated opinions based on nothing about how good our team are will not help us at all. We have a good/excellent team but we're not great and we need to acknowledge that to become so. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:15 - Jul 12 with 1203 views | TheChef |
In the end Mancini got his subs spot on, and on this occasion unfortunately Southgate didn't. That's football.
As mentioned we have such a young squad and this will all be good experience for the future. The vagaries of tournament football are huge though, you always need a bit of luck, but we can be very proud of this group of players and their manager. Onwards and upwards. |  |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:17 - Jul 12 with 1175 views | gazza1 |
Penalties are a lottery.....I am sure that all the plans were in place and agreed prior to that dramatic ending of he game. I blame the players for missing the penalties, nobody else and those players will take responsibility.
We have a top, top squad and team, we now need a top, top Manager to take us to the next stage.......I would probably keep Southgate in the England set-up but not at the helm. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:18 - Jul 12 with 1175 views | 80s_Boy |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:17 - Jul 12 by gazza1 |
Penalties are a lottery.....I am sure that all the plans were in place and agreed prior to that dramatic ending of he game. I blame the players for missing the penalties, nobody else and those players will take responsibility.
We have a top, top squad and team, we now need a top, top Manager to take us to the next stage.......I would probably keep Southgate in the England set-up but not at the helm. |
Southgate kept avoiding questions about Qatar 2022 and kept saying 'it's been a pleasure to work with this group of players'.
I think he's walking. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:20 - Jul 12 with 1163 views | Northolt_Rs |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:00 - Jul 12 by 80s_Boy |
I don't think I can add anything to the myriad observations and comments expressed since last night on here, Twitter or in conversations this morning at work but just some thoughts...
We should be immensely proud of this team and what they achieved. Few gave us hope of reaching the final - not even the bi-annual wave of optimism was taken seriously by many - and although it may not have been the most impressive run to a final ever, we had to overcome physiological issues to beat Germany, gave one of THE great performances of any England side in history against Ukraine (arguably one of the greatest performances in European Championships history by any side) and, of course, had to dig deep against Denmark whilst playing some of the most mature football I have ever seen England play.
Did last night hurt? Absolutely. Were there a few things we got wrong last night? Absolutely. The tactics were bizarre at times when it was obvious Italy were becoming most likely to win, as was the decision to plan subs around the possibilities of penalties.
As for the penalties, it's alright saying 'you should see the players in training to understand why they were nominated' but that's niave. It should have been the most experienced players because you can not replicate the pressures those players were under last night at St George's. Also, and it's an observation rather than an attempt to single out someone to blame, Rashford's penalty was awful and future England players should be told to cut out all nonsense when taking penalties in a shoot out.
Will we come back again? Possibly, though it was worrying how easily Italy managed to make us look very poor using simple passes and equally worrying that some were saying during the week that few, if any Italy players would get into our starting XI. We aren't on the cusp of greatness and have a lot of work to do. Having inflated opinions based on nothing about how good our team are will not help us at all. We have a good/excellent team but we're not great and we need to acknowledge that to become so. |
Sorry but Southgate got everything wrong last night. The formation, the tactics, the starting XI, the subs…. Completely out thought by Mancini. We tried to park the bus from the 2nd minute…. We have a squad bursting with pace and never used it against the two oldest CBs in the competition. Southgate made it easy for Mancini. Despicable of the senior players to leave the final and crucial pen to a 19 year old kid. |  |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:21 - Jul 12 with 1153 views | francisbowles |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 07:58 - Jul 12 by loftboy |
Unfortunately due to the next World Cup being in Qatar I reckon it will be a sigh American team that wins it, can’t see any European team being able to play consistently in that sort of heat. |
2022 WC is from the 21st November to the 18th December. So actually temperatures not too bad.
https://www.weather2travel.com/qatar/november/
https://www.weather2travel.com/qatar/december/
It will be hot ,with a bit of humidity, for the group games and should have cooled down more and the humidity disappeared by December when the knockouts, with the possibility of extra time, take place. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:22 - Jul 12 with 1149 views | MrSheen |
Coming soon...32-team Euros, from 55 members, 48 team World Cup (why not 64?). | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:22 - Jul 12 with 1150 views | Konk |
Agree about the penalties. That is a huge amount of pressure to find yourself under when you've played 1 or 2 seasons of first team football. I absolutely hate players trying to be too clever with their run-ups. Surely it just massively complicates what should be a simple process. With all the pressure already on a penalty-taker, surely it's just better to take a natural run-up and then look to smash it into either corner or down the middle. If you're concentrating on your stuttery, weird run-up, that must detract from your focus on striking the ball? | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:23 - Jul 12 with 1142 views | 80s_Boy |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:20 - Jul 12 by Northolt_Rs |
Sorry but Southgate got everything wrong last night. The formation, the tactics, the starting XI, the subs…. Completely out thought by Mancini. We tried to park the bus from the 2nd minute…. We have a squad bursting with pace and never used it against the two oldest CBs in the competition. Southgate made it easy for Mancini. Despicable of the senior players to leave the final and crucial pen to a 19 year old kid. |
I can't agree that he got the tactics wrong from the start.
Up until the 35th - 40th minute there was only one team in the game and it wasn't Italy. His biggest mistake was not adjusting the tactics/formation when it was obvious that Italy were looking like the most likely team to win.
We were lucky to avoid defeat in the 90. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:24 - Jul 12 with 1131 views | gazza1 |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:18 - Jul 12 by 80s_Boy |
Southgate kept avoiding questions about Qatar 2022 and kept saying 'it's been a pleasure to work with this group of players'.
I think he's walking. |
I hope he doesn't walk.....despite him not being my favourite I still think he offers the England team something. He manages the team well but not so sure he gets things right on the pitch. IMHO, we have still not beaten any of the top teams despite getting to a semi & final ties.
Mancini showed how it should be done when the 'chips' were down and big decisons needed to be made. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:26 - Jul 12 with 1120 views | gazza1 |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:20 - Jul 12 by Northolt_Rs |
Sorry but Southgate got everything wrong last night. The formation, the tactics, the starting XI, the subs…. Completely out thought by Mancini. We tried to park the bus from the 2nd minute…. We have a squad bursting with pace and never used it against the two oldest CBs in the competition. Southgate made it easy for Mancini. Despicable of the senior players to leave the final and crucial pen to a 19 year old kid. |
As you well know I am not a Southgate fan but many your comments are very unfair and wrong indeed..... | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:31 - Jul 12 with 1277 views | PhilmyRs |
I’ve been really impressed with how we’ve done this tournament, especially the Manager. He’s doing it fantastically well.
My one criticism though is around his in game management/decisions — it feels too robotic. He seems really flexible and adaptable pre-match, springing selection surprises and/or formation tweaks unlike a lot of previous managers which has won us games. I wonder whether this is due to his studious nature and ability to reach logical conclusions when reviewing "the data". When it comes to in game management though, I worry a bit more.
World Cup 2018 it was Sterling for Rashford, even in the semi-final where Sterling was causing them serious problems, it was still the default option. Yesterday — Rice for Henderson was always going to happen despite Rice having one of his best games in an England shirt, you’d hope it was fitness based and Mount for Grealish at some point was always on the cards, a change that should have been made earlier and if he needed to change shape Trippier was always going to be withdrawn, likely for Saka. People latched on to the decision to replace Grealish with Tripper in the semi as evidence of his ruthlessness and tactical nous but I didn’t see it. I didn’t have a problem with the change but the Danes were down to 10 and dead on their feet, I think we would have seen out the game with our without the change but again had no problem with what he did. It’s just yesterday felt similar to Croatia in 2018, we go in at half time ahead, deservedly so and then we just get attacked and can’t find a way out of our own half — can he be creative, can he do something that gets momentum back to us?
He’s said before about also needing to take a look at some of his own decisions as part of a retrospective analysis of the team post tournament and I think based on us looking stronger and more likely to win the game the deeper it went, could he have introduced Grealish earlier? You’d like to think so and could either a Rashford or Sancho been thrown into the mix earlier too, Rashford’s pace stretching them with runs in behind could have been a useful weapon. Was Foden around or injured? I didn’t see the subs bench in the end but his energy and technical qualities could have made a difference too.
Just feel we’ve lost on pens — we weren’t beaten over the 120 mins — which is a great achievement but we kept some quality players back in Rashford, Foden, Sancho and even Grealish only got just over 15 minutes. I think the additional energy could have taken the game to the Italians a bit more. In extra time they seem to have settled for pens, who wouldn’t with that keeper, but we never really went for it and used our attacking options on the bench to scare them. For me it does feel a bit like we’ll die wondering what might of been. | | | |
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