| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 21:25 - Nov 29 with 2451 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 13:07 - Nov 29 by Hunterhoop |
Good post.
What some fail to appreciate is that you can be a "liberal" in it's true, historical definition AND believe in globalisation BUT want certain protection for local workers' rights, oppose TTIP (and CETA), because it doesn't do enough of that, and support the principle of a free to use NHS. It's a balance.
Everyone argues as if there is no grey, as if issues aren't complicated, as if there should never be compromise. Of course there should. There has to be to look after the majority in society. Everyone can't win all the time.
Of all the major parties, the Lib Dems, in my view, are comfortably the most balanced and fair in their approach, although I'd much rather Lamb was leader than Farron. That was completely the wrong result for the country and the Lib Dems. |
Wanted to combine a reply to this post of yours re Pastie's post and your earlier response to me. Will make it short as your recent post to Disco has moved things on a little so I'm feeling a bit behind!
But my point about you 'not knowing what you are talking about' (apologies for the harsh phrase) on CETA and the likelihood of TTIP being canned wasn't based on whether you favoured them or not (although I had assumed you were leaning against). It was more about the idea that those who hold the real power in the world would turn their back on such a cornerstone of their current global drive.
Trump's posturing as the man, or even saviour, of the people, who was going to sock it to the establishment and blackball things like TTIP is as empty a political promise as you'll see. His appointment of Goldman Sachs men such as Bannon and particularly Mnuchin (who also worked for Soros) belies his alignment with the neo conservative led globalisation.
I understand and share some of your views re Keynes and a 'globalisation with some heart', the desire to protect local workers rights and futures and protecting things like our beautiful NHS but, and this is a huge but, if you take the time to really observe who and what are at the point of central core power in the EU and their brand of globalisation I think you'd find that the 'liberal' part is being ignored/dismantled/outright opposed.
My recent theme of talking about CETA, and posting this excellent research and report on its progress https://corporateeurope.org/international-trade/2016/11/great-ceta-swindle , is because it is an excellent working example of something that is being pushed through right now which is enshrining into law the rights of global corporate profiteers and their shareholders over the rights of a sovereign national government to protect its own citizens and workers and determine its own laws. All the aspects of globalisation that you (and I) think are vital in terms of looking after human beings and communities are not only being ignored but being willfully legislated against.
Listening to what politicians say is very dangerous, better to closely observe what they actually do. No better example than our very own International Trade Secretary Liam Fox. Here is someone appointed post brexit vote because he (has been told to in my opinion) claims to be pro brexit. He then, whilst we are still in the maelstrom of brexit debate, goes and quietly as possible signs us up to CETA which makes law many of the principles that brexiters opposed!! Doing so without even bothering to allow parliament to discuss it. What could be more important for them to discuss at the moment? Who has gained from this?
I fully agree with you about areas being grey and compromise being required but how much can our wishful ideologies influence the real decision makers with such sleight of hand going on? Great post re UKIP to disco. I look forward to the ensuing discussion
I'd really love to hear your thoughts on the CETA piece and your thoughts/beliefs on how the globalisers can be genuinely influenced when they are operating in the ways that the piece and my paragraph above highlight. [Post edited 30 Nov 2016 7:54]
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 21:26 - Nov 29 with 2452 views | HollowayRanger |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 15:42 - Nov 29 by ingeminate |
Well fair to say I've been out there - I moved from Islington where nobody I knew voted Tory to a village outside Stockport in Cheshire where I've met people in the pub, Sunday League football openly talk about voting UKIP.
Locally there is virtually no immigration, round where I live rarely see a non white face - as an example in the whole of Cheshire there is not a single black police officer.
I live in a relatively affluent area with above average state schools, low unemployment. It's quite nice, lots of hills, open spaces, generally friendly people, you get the picture.
They are not voting UKIP because of how immigration has affected their lives, but more because they absolutely hate Muslims. I've had all sorts talk to me about "the Muslim problem", it can be relentless and on more than one occasion people have assumed I moved away from London because there are so many down there.
Now I don't know thousands of people, so might not be representative, but it's massively different from where I've Lived in London - Bush/Chiswick/Borough/Camden.
Incidentally I'd say probably none of the people I'm talking about would consider themselves racist. |
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 21:28 - Nov 29 with 2446 views | Brightonhoop |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 21:15 - Nov 29 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Ignore the will of the people as the french aristocracy found out.
Chop chop |
No idea what you mean. Debate the facts for once. I'm not aristocracy by the way, i'm game to hear your not fascist. |  | | |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 21:41 - Nov 29 with 2423 views | Brightonhoop |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 21:25 - Nov 29 by 1BobbyHazell |
Wanted to combine a reply to this post of yours re Pastie's post and your earlier response to me. Will make it short as your recent post to Disco has moved things on a little so I'm feeling a bit behind!
But my point about you 'not knowing what you are talking about' (apologies for the harsh phrase) on CETA and the likelihood of TTIP being canned wasn't based on whether you favoured them or not (although I had assumed you were leaning against). It was more about the idea that those who hold the real power in the world would turn their back on such a cornerstone of their current global drive.
Trump's posturing as the man, or even saviour, of the people, who was going to sock it to the establishment and blackball things like TTIP is as empty a political promise as you'll see. His appointment of Goldman Sachs men such as Bannon and particularly Mnuchin (who also worked for Soros) belies his alignment with the neo conservative led globalisation.
I understand and share some of your views re Keynes and a 'globalisation with some heart', the desire to protect local workers rights and futures and protecting things like our beautiful NHS but, and this is a huge but, if you take the time to really observe who and what are at the point of central core power in the EU and their brand of globalisation I think you'd find that the 'liberal' part is being ignored/dismantled/outright opposed.
My recent theme of talking about CETA, and posting this excellent research and report on its progress https://corporateeurope.org/international-trade/2016/11/great-ceta-swindle , is because it is an excellent working example of something that is being pushed through right now which is enshrining into law the rights of global corporate profiteers and their shareholders over the rights of a sovereign national government to protect its own citizens and workers and determine its own laws. All the aspects of globalisation that you (and I) think are vital in terms of looking after human beings and communities are not only being ignored but being willfully legislated against.
Listening to what politicians say is very dangerous, better to closely observe what they actually do. No better example than our very own International Trade Secretary Liam Fox. Here is someone appointed post brexit vote because he (has been told to in my opinion) claims to be pro brexit. He then, whilst we are still in the maelstrom of brexit debate, goes and quietly as possible signs us up to CETA which makes law many of the principles that brexiters opposed!! Doing so without even bothering to allow parliament to discuss it. What could be more important for them to discuss at the moment? Who has gained from this?
I fully agree with you about areas being grey and compromise being required but how much can our wishful ideologies influence the real decision makers with such sleight of hand going on? Great post re UKIP to disco. I look forward to the ensuing discussion
I'd really love to hear your thoughts on the CETA piece and your thoughts/beliefs on how the globalisers can be genuinely influenced when they are operating in the ways that the piece and my paragraph above highlight. [Post edited 30 Nov 2016 7:54]
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There's alot going on under the radar.
Parliament seems to be largely redundant,
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/29/snoopers-charter-bill-becomes-law- | | | |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 22:06 - Nov 29 with 2397 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 21:28 - Nov 29 by Brightonhoop |
No idea what you mean. Debate the facts for once. I'm not aristocracy by the way, i'm game to hear your not fascist. |
LOL Well I'm not as far as I know, are you calling me one. |  |
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 22:18 - Nov 29 with 2375 views | Brightonhoop |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 22:06 - Nov 29 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
LOL Well I'm not as far as I know, are you calling me one. |
Well, so far today you've asked for the banning of posters that accuse anyone of racism, and have tried to shut down arguments, that seem too difficult for you to argue on a factual basis. Churchill was denied a Refferendum for a reason. We've never previously used them for a reason.
Fascist melt? That would be a first. Churchill locked them all up as well.
A bit of factua analysis to your oppionated statements would give you some credibility. You wont find them in the Daily Fail by the way. | | | |
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 22:58 - Nov 29 with 2322 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 22:50 - Nov 29 by Brightonhoop |
Calling for the ban here of anyone accusing racism stinks of fascist. Sadly they walk amongst us, Churchill locked them up for a reason.
Refs are Nazi tools of advancement within democratic systems by the way. Always have been.
Not aimed at you but those without the brains they were born with, identifying Paladini as an Italian knyt is everso slightly, by a nano rizzla, racist. His nationality has nothing to do with him being a knut. Hope this helps. |
But I thought you were a Paladiniest with Scott Jones and the drummer boy
I'm sure you got free seats too before Paladini set you up in a backwater of spain as his gimp.
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 22:59 - Nov 29 with 2319 views | Brightonhoop |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 16:34 - Nov 29 by ingeminate |
if you assume that people usually vote with self interest then the people of Thame make more sense. Immigration doesn't affect them negatively. No pressure on services etc so they are not fussed with it.
Ironically in Camden, Corbyn Central, the local Health services we're farcical, the girl at the desk reckoned that was down to having so many people come in without English as a second language that they just couldn't cope. You had to pretty much book an appointment for two weeks time, by which time most people had got better or gone elsewhere so routinely appointments were missed so you had to turn up and hang around hopefully till someone called you in.
As a loyal Labour supporter I'd point to the Tory cuts in supporting areas with significant immigration, but it's an argument that goes round in circles. Anyway despite the shambles the area as a whole remains happily left leaning.
Up here the way people talk you'd think before they went to sleep they first look under their bed in case the Muslim Monster is hiding there.
Maybe it's just me being a leftie at heart and blaming everything on the mail, but.....
It seems to me that a combination of right wing media, Britain First social media and of course the terrorism that has happened mean people feel like they might well be be-headed, blown up, live under Sharia law literally any day now.
Breed fear, create anger, breed fear, create anger and on and on.
When the stats say you are more likely to be beaten to a pulp by a hungover goldfish that killed by a terrorist. |
Same stats say the IRA wont kill you. But they wish too.
As do the muslim bombers. They are a religion and not a race by the way. And extremely dangerous. All conversation on the danger is shut down. And I mean all.
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 12:23 - Nov 30 with 2180 views | Discodroids |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 19:15 - Nov 29 by Hunterhoop |
Disco,
Always been fascinated by your take on things politically. From what you've said about your life, career history, background, current job, etc, plus your extremely well worded posts, you are clearly intelligent, aware, and not a racist. Many of the points you are making, whilst shrouded in exuberant metaphor, do get to the heart of a few issues.
I think I understand where you're coming from in your support for UKIP and it's very interesting to hear Nuttall's first speech; it plays to exactly what you are saying, or at least I think some of it does. It is also where I see UKIP's biggest political opportunity: the working man.
Whilst you know I'm not a UKIP supporter, I'm intrigued to get your take on a few things UKIP. As you probably know I am a liberal - in the John Stuart Mills sense, ie, social liberalism, but economically tend to sit nearer Keynesian economics than neoliberal economics.
Am I right in saying you are coming to UKIP as a former Labour supporter, because you feel none of the major parties are truly looking out for the working man, whether than be a steel worker in Port Talbot or a delivery driver in East Ham, or a nurse in Brixton, etc, etc? I tend to agree that all major parties, have shifted too far towards neoliberal economics, have failed to facilitate integration alongside immigration, and have done too little to help out the "losers" from globilisation (which I'm broadly in favour of, I should note).
I completely agree that politicians from across the political spectrum don't really know/understand the working man. I agree that many in the media do fit the wonderfully verbose descriptions you come up with, save for your unjustified and inaccurate use of the the word "liberal".
However, without getting into all that, what I'm interested, is whether you think UKIP truly are, can become or even truly want to become, the party of the working man?
For me, they appear to have two incongruent strands.
On the one hand much of UKIP's support comes from low income, working, white, males, many of whom actually come into little contact with immigrants. This was true of their 3.8m votes at the last election. It's similar to Trump supporters in the Rust Belt. I truly believe their fear of immigrants and "globalisation", which in some instances is justified, but is, in the in the main, misguided, drives this support. Fear driven by media owned by extremely wealth, white establishment men.
On the other hand, UKIP were a party founded, led and funded entirely (until now) by very wealthy, private school educated, white men, who favour neoliberal economics, a reduction in the size of the state and a return to the days of "Great" Britain. They utilised rhetoric which was anti immigrant in order to gain the support of those I mentioned in the first strand....As a result, this attracted some people to their party who are actual racists. That does need to be acknowledged.
Now, clearly, these two strands clash. As far as I can see it, UKIP have a choice. These are:
1) Become the true party of the working man (whilst Labour and the north Islington set pissball about with socialism, which helps few about from those governing, just like neoliberalism), supporting local workers, engaging and trying to woo the trade unions, opposing the EU, opposing immigration, espousing protectionist economic approaches, etc. However, at the same time, they need to drop the neoliberal economic aspects several in the party espouse; they need to champion the NHS and welfare, not criticise it and they need to leave behind the former old school Conservative "Jag and Gin" set they have historically courted, because the "Jag and Gin" set are entirely opposed to the concept of the supporting the working man.
I think this is what you want. Tell me if I'm wrong. If so, I think this is absolutely fine, They would, in effect, become the true "labour" party. Not socialist, not liberal, and not conservative. A country should have a political party representing this demographic.
Option 2) They pander to the "Jag and Gin" set who made their money in the 70s and 80s and want to hark back to that country where there were TV shows openly racist, where Britain was great and Johnny Foreigner should be kept out, and where money could be made (especially if you had money in the first place!). In this instance, they are really going after the right wing aspects of the Conservative vote. For me, this is really where Farage sits and comes from.
This I'm less fine with. I consider it regressive, broadly rascist and self serving.
At present, they are trying to woo both strands, but I simply don't think they can put forward a credible narrative by trying to be both. There is some cross over (albeit for different reasons) that both strands have, notably immigration, hence why they play so hard on it. But it isn't really a road to electoral success, especially when either (or both) of the following happen: 1) Britain regains total control of its borders (post Brexit taking effect). 2) An economic impact is felt, in terms of increased cost of living, which worsens livings standards, which isn't offset by improved national salaries/employment, after Brexit takes affect.
What's your take?
As I've said I'm broadly in favour of globilisation (most economic studies show it has a net improvement on a country's standard of living), but only globalisation with a conscience, where governments put far more effort and money towards retraining the minority who lose out (in the job sense) from globilisation, and the globilsation serves people (through jobs, living standards, opportunity and choice), not big corporations' shareholders. A "John Stuart Mills" globilisation, if you will, albeit that's a horribly crude concoction of political theory.
I'm in favour of immigration. I believe it is not just necessary, but desired, to improve and develop any developed country's economy and living standard (and society, frankly!). But I think governments should do a lot more to invest in infrastructure to handle additional migrants, without worsening the infrastructure available to their citizens, and to ensure social integration. Again, this has been a huge failing from recent governments. Huge. Both Labour and the Tory's are at fault here.
I broadly favour investment in infrastructure during economic downturns (money is so cheap, why not borrow to create work, disposable income, etc, which will all flow cyclically around the economy), but believe countries gains more from having people employed by profitable private companies than employed in needless state sector roles, it drives the economic progression of a country in comparison with other countries, thus improving living standards.
And I'm broadly in favour of some small redistribution of wealth, albeit I am no socialist.
But with your background and political views, do you really think UKIP are or will be a party that matches your political views? And, if they don't fully go down that strand....what then?
In my view, the demographic you (possibly rightly) feel have been forgotten and ignored for too long, would actually be best served, in today's political climate, by the Lib Dems. Not saying they are the party of the working man. But neither do I truly believe UKIP are, ever were, or ever will be. Labour haven't been since Foot, and are a mess at the minute. Socialism, whilst supposedly being in the interests of the working man, almost always leads to a worse standard of living than capitalism and I don't think the people you often refer to in your posts as having lost out, actually really want this. And in my view, one I think you share, Labour today are a Champagne Socialist group who's lack of competence would mean everyone would be worse of. Workers benefit from successful business. They provide jobs, disposable income, and opportunities. However, unfettered capitalism, that neoliberalism I refer to, vastly favours those with capital already. Globalisation with a conscience, social liberalism, investment in public services, and a little redistribution of wealth....would this not be in the interests of the working man?
I think politics in the UK and globally needs tweaking, a rebalancing if you will...not a complete overhaul and harking back to authoritarian socialist, neoliberal OR closed borders "lock 'em out, everything bad is their fault" politics. People are forgetting, that at the highest, broadest level, we are all liberals today (historically speaking). I don't think we want to forget that now and throw the baby out with the bathwater. And I do wish you'd stop misusing "liberals" when putting together your great streams of lexicon. |
Hunter Ive knocked up a reply in the 20 minutes ive got between wiping my dads arse and making his lunch, and is directly in response to you asking me of further clarification , and not to wind other board members up with my honest views. Nor do i intend this to be a Harvey Keitel / Keith Carradine situ from the duelists, boring the life essence out of our fellow posters, so this will be all i have to say in reply to your very fair and even handed post.
Imo it is a tragedy that UKIP (who Admittedly have their fair share of members who have crawled out from under a stone ), have temporarily jumped on the pyre of self-immolation as it was the only outfit that could offer a real alternative to these mealy-mouthed, shifty,common purpose , no-hopers that infest public life, our Media and our seats of learning, yet get paid nicely to stand on their hind legs to utter Virtuous platitudes that they think will keep the rabble quiet... And thats just my opinion on Labour.....I've Never, Ever voted for the blue coloured Party, And as for the yellow coloured party, they are just labour without the reproductive Organs.. Distilled. reduced and rendered down From Labour's 4th rib.
Omega men of virtue signalling nothingness who still stand dumbfounded at the referendum result , The leftist Dojo Politique might as well reside on the kuiper belt as far as the people from Manor park to Hornchurch or Plaistow to Romford are concerned. We share a dormant Pineal Gland with them but thats all ..The Lib Dems to me and others like me might as well have flown in on the solar winds from a dwarf planet.
Farron is the Derek Nimmo Of Politics, The venlafaxine vicar who pops round for tea and dazzles the women's institute , A Provincial Local Councillor who should be organising fund raising rummikub sessions in Tendring.. nothing more, nothing less . The sharp end would kill him , immune from the actual realities as i believe them to be in east london.. id love to see him work with me for a day in the probation service , He'd probably thrust a Pro EU pamphlet about the welfare of bees within the Union as a rehabilitation tool into the hands of a post code gang member whose been hitting the crack pipe since he 12 .. Him and Clegg are the most ineffectual pairing since bernie Winters and his gelded mute Beast, Schnorbitz.
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You argue that UKIP is run by middle aged wealthy men, the establishment , ( Arron Banks must be the geezer you mean ?, he seems like the artful Dodger in comparison to i.e the sainsbury Family ) are we meant to be ashamed of this ??, ..what political party isn't ?, Even the Sidney Vicious member of our political sex pistols Supergroup , momentum, purport to be a many headed hydra of working class empowerment ( what a fukin joke), is headed up by a beauty spotted fop in Plaid earmuffs who wouldn't have lasted to the first flush of the armitage shanks on a monday morning in an east london comprehensive, without delving into his personalised initialed tuckbox for a dab of comforting sherbert salve.
I have come to the conclusion that no government of whatever colour within the present spectrum either has the will or the guts to tackle this country's out of control debt. The reticence in sparking Article 50 is evidence that the majority in the HoC will work against the electorate and the media will gladly go along with this scam as it fits in with their own desires. Im plugging in the jukebox and trying another flavour..Ukip.If peoples Noses Crinkle in distaste at this then so be it.
I dont give a fck for their sensitivities, i cant afford to .As an East end favoured son who has seen his people near bred out of existence and forced to the sea along with the rest of his tribe , i'll shed no tear at the demise of the labour party and its tribe for its filthy common purpose schlieffen plan credo and Wannsee conference ideologies.
They shed none for mine.
Why Not ?? every other cnt has let me down or sold me down the river. It must be so enraging for Lib/Lab/Con apparatchiks to know that their Vote is no more important than the vote of an Injection moulded sheet cutter from castleford and that their influence among great swathes of our population, carries less gravitas than the panel of loose women discussing Vaginitis at 1.30 in the afternoon to a bused in studio audience of low risk teenage female attention seeking Bulimia Nervosa Patients .
Im asked every 3 months on here why I support ukip. I give a reply and then i have to spend the next 8 hours on here like Chuck Norris with his rice Flails taking on all comers ..im sure my replies can be found by looking up my history posts . I am a UKIP member (although after the Woolfe Incident i was tempted to jack it all in, still might ), I also donate the fiscal funds i would have spent in January and October (My booze free months) to the party.
I contribute regular articles for a website on the right side of the Hive. These are my meagre contributions, such as they are, to a movement i believe in. Although, this is currently under review as like many , It may have been 'the Guv'nor' as he is known to us Kippers, Nigel Farage, that i believed in and not the unseemly bickering rabble left in his wake. I voted For Nutall as hopefully a unifying Member, (Unbelievably the judith chalmers doppleganger Stewart Lee and his vignette didn't sway me away for casting my vote for Nuttal, crazy i know).. And truth be told the paucity of options once Woolfe was out of the equation, was feeble and talent Sparse.
Ambition achieved with brexit , This embryonic party( 2o years old) is undergoing transmutation into something else , whether its something i will support remains to be seen . Im unashamedly a Nigel Farage concubine, fluffer, cabin boy , muse , fanboy and devotee. To the fckin Hilt. I admire his bravery, some 13, 000 death threats to him and his children have been made since the 23rd of june 2016. I had to listen to Peter Kellner on sky news on sunday more or less Distilling and reducing the severity of these death threats to Nigel Farage with great gusto , as if they were nothing more than Cissie Braithwaite and Ada Shufflebottom disagreeing over the garden fence, while at the same time comparing right wing hatemongering on twitter to the study of hair growth patterns in twins at sobibor .
the sky News Presenter nodding lasciviously in approval looking on . Incredible.
One of Farages crimes as seen by the left , seems to be that he worked in the city..I remember Corbyn in an LBC interview branding him a 'banker' , which he wasn't, and then asking him about the welfare of mexican miners of aluminium oxide when it was explained to him that Farage was a metal trader.... it was like a Brian Pern parody sketch
. I worked for 2o+ years getting the 7.38 to liverpool street to work at Lloyd's of london to put food on the table for my family.. it doesn't make me lex luthor. I worked with a load of upper class plums and grafted my way up without this class war chip bollocks on my shoulder , I got on with the job at hand and if someone works hard and earns loot then good luck to them , ive never understood the visceral jealousy of those that equate City with Greed..Most people who work there just want to pay the bills, provide for their children , avoid colon cancer and black lives matter stopping their two weeks holiday to Faro.
As for immigration, please lets not delude ourselves ..it wouldn't have been discussed in any meaningful way if UKIP and Farage hadn' t have dared to discuss the taboo. Remember Gordon Brown and Gillian Duffy 'the Bigot' ? and Lady Nugee Thornberrys image of rochester tweet ?..The cross of st george on display( although not exactly a francis Bacon Art piece ) an apparition to her very DNA. Eventually the major parties caught on with Ed Milliband Graciously telling us' it isnt racist to want to discuss immigration' , cheers Ed.. Even the following Prime Ministers question time after the EU Referendum was entirely devoted to our elected MP'S calling everyone with a left heart ventricle racist and a rollerball verbal assault on nigel farage, each MP outdoing each other in a magnificent display of 5th dan shaolin monk virtue signalling in front of the cameras, some even breaking down and crying on the HOC lawn and thus dismissing the 17,410,742 as pitched on the mean, mode and median of Homo Erectus and Martin bormann ( you can watch it back on bbc i player to check).
i could drone on and on in perpetuity like a fcked hal 9000 so for a LFW Board Harmonious society , im happy to forward the address of the website , via PM, that i am credited on as a main writer for you to look at if you want to explore my views on immigration , farage, UKIP, The left without the handbrake on .. in any case Mrs disco has left me a long list of jobs from applying bath sealant to painting the Kitchen while looking after East Ham Dave my dad who is living with me after his bad fall..its fackin exhausting i tells ya. Like most on here i find this very draining and not very enjoyable, id like just to talk about football, progressive House , Syd Barret, Punk And Dennis Hopper if im honest .
Ukip could well turn out to be a fugazi, probably will, but at the moment.. they are all i've got.
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 13:07 - Nov 30 with 2117 views | R_from_afar |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 18:45 - Nov 29 by essextaxiboy |
I try and argue Brexit without immigration ... I agree that a lot of this is stirred up by the likes of the Mail ..but things like Lee Rigbys murder committed in the name of Islam will stir up anger and fear especially in older folk
You dont have to have skin in the game personally to be concerned for your country and towns that are losing identity with their history .
I do have points regarding EU migration but its about numbers and planning , pick a town around London and tell me how many GPs are needed over ten years . You just cant as we have no control ....Its really not about individuals ..for me at least |
The trouble when it comes to the NHS is that immigration is a double edged sword. Bear in mind that there are already huge numbers of overseas nationals employed in the NHS, in many cases, due to skills shortages in the UK.
The arguments some people use about immigrants and the NHS would have us believe that there is a large pool of fully trained but currently unemployed British health professionals hidden away somewhere but that simply is not the case. For the record, I have a bit of an inside view on this as my wife is a NHS pharmacist.
No easy answers to any of this.... 65m refuguees worldwide and I have seen predictions (from reputable sources) that that number will rise to 200m.
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 13:25 - Nov 30 with 2079 views | kingshill |
Disco, please stand for Ealing North in 2020, I just want to hear the speeches...
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 13:32 - Nov 30 with 2065 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 12:23 - Nov 30 by Discodroids |
Hunter Ive knocked up a reply in the 20 minutes ive got between wiping my dads arse and making his lunch, and is directly in response to you asking me of further clarification , and not to wind other board members up with my honest views. Nor do i intend this to be a Harvey Keitel / Keith Carradine situ from the duelists, boring the life essence out of our fellow posters, so this will be all i have to say in reply to your very fair and even handed post.
Imo it is a tragedy that UKIP (who Admittedly have their fair share of members who have crawled out from under a stone ), have temporarily jumped on the pyre of self-immolation as it was the only outfit that could offer a real alternative to these mealy-mouthed, shifty,common purpose , no-hopers that infest public life, our Media and our seats of learning, yet get paid nicely to stand on their hind legs to utter Virtuous platitudes that they think will keep the rabble quiet... And thats just my opinion on Labour.....I've Never, Ever voted for the blue coloured Party, And as for the yellow coloured party, they are just labour without the reproductive Organs.. Distilled. reduced and rendered down From Labour's 4th rib.
Omega men of virtue signalling nothingness who still stand dumbfounded at the referendum result , The leftist Dojo Politique might as well reside on the kuiper belt as far as the people from Manor park to Hornchurch or Plaistow to Romford are concerned. We share a dormant Pineal Gland with them but thats all ..The Lib Dems to me and others like me might as well have flown in on the solar winds from a dwarf planet.
Farron is the Derek Nimmo Of Politics, The venlafaxine vicar who pops round for tea and dazzles the women's institute , A Provincial Local Councillor who should be organising fund raising rummikub sessions in Tendring.. nothing more, nothing less . The sharp end would kill him , immune from the actual realities as i believe them to be in east london.. id love to see him work with me for a day in the probation service , He'd probably thrust a Pro EU pamphlet about the welfare of bees within the Union as a rehabilitation tool into the hands of a post code gang member whose been hitting the crack pipe since he 12 .. Him and Clegg are the most ineffectual pairing since bernie Winters and his gelded mute Beast, Schnorbitz.
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You argue that UKIP is run by middle aged wealthy men, the establishment , ( Arron Banks must be the geezer you mean ?, he seems like the artful Dodger in comparison to i.e the sainsbury Family ) are we meant to be ashamed of this ??, ..what political party isn't ?, Even the Sidney Vicious member of our political sex pistols Supergroup , momentum, purport to be a many headed hydra of working class empowerment ( what a fukin joke), is headed up by a beauty spotted fop in Plaid earmuffs who wouldn't have lasted to the first flush of the armitage shanks on a monday morning in an east london comprehensive, without delving into his personalised initialed tuckbox for a dab of comforting sherbert salve.
I have come to the conclusion that no government of whatever colour within the present spectrum either has the will or the guts to tackle this country's out of control debt. The reticence in sparking Article 50 is evidence that the majority in the HoC will work against the electorate and the media will gladly go along with this scam as it fits in with their own desires. Im plugging in the jukebox and trying another flavour..Ukip.If peoples Noses Crinkle in distaste at this then so be it.
I dont give a fck for their sensitivities, i cant afford to .As an East end favoured son who has seen his people near bred out of existence and forced to the sea along with the rest of his tribe , i'll shed no tear at the demise of the labour party and its tribe for its filthy common purpose schlieffen plan credo and Wannsee conference ideologies.
They shed none for mine.
Why Not ?? every other cnt has let me down or sold me down the river. It must be so enraging for Lib/Lab/Con apparatchiks to know that their Vote is no more important than the vote of an Injection moulded sheet cutter from castleford and that their influence among great swathes of our population, carries less gravitas than the panel of loose women discussing Vaginitis at 1.30 in the afternoon to a bused in studio audience of low risk teenage female attention seeking Bulimia Nervosa Patients .
Im asked every 3 months on here why I support ukip. I give a reply and then i have to spend the next 8 hours on here like Chuck Norris with his rice Flails taking on all comers ..im sure my replies can be found by looking up my history posts . I am a UKIP member (although after the Woolfe Incident i was tempted to jack it all in, still might ), I also donate the fiscal funds i would have spent in January and October (My booze free months) to the party.
I contribute regular articles for a website on the right side of the Hive. These are my meagre contributions, such as they are, to a movement i believe in. Although, this is currently under review as like many , It may have been 'the Guv'nor' as he is known to us Kippers, Nigel Farage, that i believed in and not the unseemly bickering rabble left in his wake. I voted For Nutall as hopefully a unifying Member, (Unbelievably the judith chalmers doppleganger Stewart Lee and his vignette didn't sway me away for casting my vote for Nuttal, crazy i know).. And truth be told the paucity of options once Woolfe was out of the equation, was feeble and talent Sparse.
Ambition achieved with brexit , This embryonic party( 2o years old) is undergoing transmutation into something else , whether its something i will support remains to be seen . Im unashamedly a Nigel Farage concubine, fluffer, cabin boy , muse , fanboy and devotee. To the fckin Hilt. I admire his bravery, some 13, 000 death threats to him and his children have been made since the 23rd of june 2016. I had to listen to Peter Kellner on sky news on sunday more or less Distilling and reducing the severity of these death threats to Nigel Farage with great gusto , as if they were nothing more than Cissie Braithwaite and Ada Shufflebottom disagreeing over the garden fence, while at the same time comparing right wing hatemongering on twitter to the study of hair growth patterns in twins at sobibor .
the sky News Presenter nodding lasciviously in approval looking on . Incredible.
One of Farages crimes as seen by the left , seems to be that he worked in the city..I remember Corbyn in an LBC interview branding him a 'banker' , which he wasn't, and then asking him about the welfare of mexican miners of aluminium oxide when it was explained to him that Farage was a metal trader.... it was like a Brian Pern parody sketch
. I worked for 2o+ years getting the 7.38 to liverpool street to work at Lloyd's of london to put food on the table for my family.. it doesn't make me lex luthor. I worked with a load of upper class plums and grafted my way up without this class war chip bollocks on my shoulder , I got on with the job at hand and if someone works hard and earns loot then good luck to them , ive never understood the visceral jealousy of those that equate City with Greed..Most people who work there just want to pay the bills, provide for their children , avoid colon cancer and black lives matter stopping their two weeks holiday to Faro.
As for immigration, please lets not delude ourselves ..it wouldn't have been discussed in any meaningful way if UKIP and Farage hadn' t have dared to discuss the taboo. Remember Gordon Brown and Gillian Duffy 'the Bigot' ? and Lady Nugee Thornberrys image of rochester tweet ?..The cross of st george on display( although not exactly a francis Bacon Art piece ) an apparition to her very DNA. Eventually the major parties caught on with Ed Milliband Graciously telling us' it isnt racist to want to discuss immigration' , cheers Ed.. Even the following Prime Ministers question time after the EU Referendum was entirely devoted to our elected MP'S calling everyone with a left heart ventricle racist and a rollerball verbal assault on nigel farage, each MP outdoing each other in a magnificent display of 5th dan shaolin monk virtue signalling in front of the cameras, some even breaking down and crying on the HOC lawn and thus dismissing the 17,410,742 as pitched on the mean, mode and median of Homo Erectus and Martin bormann ( you can watch it back on bbc i player to check).
i could drone on and on in perpetuity like a fcked hal 9000 so for a LFW Board Harmonious society , im happy to forward the address of the website , via PM, that i am credited on as a main writer for you to look at if you want to explore my views on immigration , farage, UKIP, The left without the handbrake on .. in any case Mrs disco has left me a long list of jobs from applying bath sealant to painting the Kitchen while looking after East Ham Dave my dad who is living with me after his bad fall..its fackin exhausting i tells ya. Like most on here i find this very draining and not very enjoyable, id like just to talk about football, progressive House , Syd Barret, Punk And Dennis Hopper if im honest .
Ukip could well turn out to be a fugazi, probably will, but at the moment.. they are all i've got.
[Post edited 30 Nov 2016 13:24]
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 13:41 - Nov 30 with 2045 views | Brightonhoop |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 13:25 - Nov 30 by kingshill |
Disco, please stand for Ealing North in 2020, I just want to hear the speeches...
I can almost hear Brighton seething from all the way in Hoddsedon where I'm working today. |
Thing is everything isn't in black and white, I enjoy Dicos posts as much as anyone, and I can understand where he is coming from. And I dont like the EU either, I've said all along i is not fit for purpose. But I hate Farage and Co even more, it is very sad to see working people follow him, as a far right bigot stirring u hatred.
The inflationary pressures growing are going to have consequences, and it wont be the Farages or any politician that will feel them. There's no plan A let alone plan B, and it has the potential for economic disaster written ll over it. | | | |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 14:04 - Nov 30 with 1998 views | paulparker |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 13:41 - Nov 30 by Brightonhoop |
Thing is everything isn't in black and white, I enjoy Dicos posts as much as anyone, and I can understand where he is coming from. And I dont like the EU either, I've said all along i is not fit for purpose. But I hate Farage and Co even more, it is very sad to see working people follow him, as a far right bigot stirring u hatred.
The inflationary pressures growing are going to have consequences, and it wont be the Farages or any politician that will feel them. There's no plan A let alone plan B, and it has the potential for economic disaster written ll over it. |
Controversial or not until the issue of immigration is sorted ( even though that horse has now bolted) then you are going to have the "working man" going in the UKIP direction
labour & conservative have both had chances in government & have both let down the masses
never in my lifetime did I think most of the north would turn against labour but they have , you have hundreds of thousands of eastern Europeans coming here and taking jobs, taking housing, taking school places , using the NHS to breaking point ,
good luck to those coming here and doing that but your average fella who cant get that job in the warehouse and whose community has changed he isn't going to accept that,
people are fed up with other countries telling us what we should do , that's why there was a vote for Brexit because people are fed up of being let down, dictated & lied to , Germany & France will be next |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 14:27 - Nov 30 with 1968 views | THEBUSH |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 20:14 - Nov 29 by QPR_John |
Not trying to be smart at all. Just answering your point about Scotland I don't think the referendum changed the attitude of the SNP |
Scotland had their own referendum and they voted by a considerable margin to stay within the Union, by a much larger vote than your 1.9% to leave the EU.
Scotland and NI voted to stay in the EU, England and Wales voted out.
At the moment my passport says, UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND, in a few years time that will be a thing of the past. [Post edited 30 Nov 2016 15:51]
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 15:44 - Nov 30 with 1892 views | easthertsr |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 12:23 - Nov 30 by Discodroids |
Hunter Ive knocked up a reply in the 20 minutes ive got between wiping my dads arse and making his lunch, and is directly in response to you asking me of further clarification , and not to wind other board members up with my honest views. Nor do i intend this to be a Harvey Keitel / Keith Carradine situ from the duelists, boring the life essence out of our fellow posters, so this will be all i have to say in reply to your very fair and even handed post.
Imo it is a tragedy that UKIP (who Admittedly have their fair share of members who have crawled out from under a stone ), have temporarily jumped on the pyre of self-immolation as it was the only outfit that could offer a real alternative to these mealy-mouthed, shifty,common purpose , no-hopers that infest public life, our Media and our seats of learning, yet get paid nicely to stand on their hind legs to utter Virtuous platitudes that they think will keep the rabble quiet... And thats just my opinion on Labour.....I've Never, Ever voted for the blue coloured Party, And as for the yellow coloured party, they are just labour without the reproductive Organs.. Distilled. reduced and rendered down From Labour's 4th rib.
Omega men of virtue signalling nothingness who still stand dumbfounded at the referendum result , The leftist Dojo Politique might as well reside on the kuiper belt as far as the people from Manor park to Hornchurch or Plaistow to Romford are concerned. We share a dormant Pineal Gland with them but thats all ..The Lib Dems to me and others like me might as well have flown in on the solar winds from a dwarf planet.
Farron is the Derek Nimmo Of Politics, The venlafaxine vicar who pops round for tea and dazzles the women's institute , A Provincial Local Councillor who should be organising fund raising rummikub sessions in Tendring.. nothing more, nothing less . The sharp end would kill him , immune from the actual realities as i believe them to be in east london.. id love to see him work with me for a day in the probation service , He'd probably thrust a Pro EU pamphlet about the welfare of bees within the Union as a rehabilitation tool into the hands of a post code gang member whose been hitting the crack pipe since he 12 .. Him and Clegg are the most ineffectual pairing since bernie Winters and his gelded mute Beast, Schnorbitz.
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You argue that UKIP is run by middle aged wealthy men, the establishment , ( Arron Banks must be the geezer you mean ?, he seems like the artful Dodger in comparison to i.e the sainsbury Family ) are we meant to be ashamed of this ??, ..what political party isn't ?, Even the Sidney Vicious member of our political sex pistols Supergroup , momentum, purport to be a many headed hydra of working class empowerment ( what a fukin joke), is headed up by a beauty spotted fop in Plaid earmuffs who wouldn't have lasted to the first flush of the armitage shanks on a monday morning in an east london comprehensive, without delving into his personalised initialed tuckbox for a dab of comforting sherbert salve.
I have come to the conclusion that no government of whatever colour within the present spectrum either has the will or the guts to tackle this country's out of control debt. The reticence in sparking Article 50 is evidence that the majority in the HoC will work against the electorate and the media will gladly go along with this scam as it fits in with their own desires. Im plugging in the jukebox and trying another flavour..Ukip.If peoples Noses Crinkle in distaste at this then so be it.
I dont give a fck for their sensitivities, i cant afford to .As an East end favoured son who has seen his people near bred out of existence and forced to the sea along with the rest of his tribe , i'll shed no tear at the demise of the labour party and its tribe for its filthy common purpose schlieffen plan credo and Wannsee conference ideologies.
They shed none for mine.
Why Not ?? every other cnt has let me down or sold me down the river. It must be so enraging for Lib/Lab/Con apparatchiks to know that their Vote is no more important than the vote of an Injection moulded sheet cutter from castleford and that their influence among great swathes of our population, carries less gravitas than the panel of loose women discussing Vaginitis at 1.30 in the afternoon to a bused in studio audience of low risk teenage female attention seeking Bulimia Nervosa Patients .
Im asked every 3 months on here why I support ukip. I give a reply and then i have to spend the next 8 hours on here like Chuck Norris with his rice Flails taking on all comers ..im sure my replies can be found by looking up my history posts . I am a UKIP member (although after the Woolfe Incident i was tempted to jack it all in, still might ), I also donate the fiscal funds i would have spent in January and October (My booze free months) to the party.
I contribute regular articles for a website on the right side of the Hive. These are my meagre contributions, such as they are, to a movement i believe in. Although, this is currently under review as like many , It may have been 'the Guv'nor' as he is known to us Kippers, Nigel Farage, that i believed in and not the unseemly bickering rabble left in his wake. I voted For Nutall as hopefully a unifying Member, (Unbelievably the judith chalmers doppleganger Stewart Lee and his vignette didn't sway me away for casting my vote for Nuttal, crazy i know).. And truth be told the paucity of options once Woolfe was out of the equation, was feeble and talent Sparse.
Ambition achieved with brexit , This embryonic party( 2o years old) is undergoing transmutation into something else , whether its something i will support remains to be seen . Im unashamedly a Nigel Farage concubine, fluffer, cabin boy , muse , fanboy and devotee. To the fckin Hilt. I admire his bravery, some 13, 000 death threats to him and his children have been made since the 23rd of june 2016. I had to listen to Peter Kellner on sky news on sunday more or less Distilling and reducing the severity of these death threats to Nigel Farage with great gusto , as if they were nothing more than Cissie Braithwaite and Ada Shufflebottom disagreeing over the garden fence, while at the same time comparing right wing hatemongering on twitter to the study of hair growth patterns in twins at sobibor .
the sky News Presenter nodding lasciviously in approval looking on . Incredible.
One of Farages crimes as seen by the left , seems to be that he worked in the city..I remember Corbyn in an LBC interview branding him a 'banker' , which he wasn't, and then asking him about the welfare of mexican miners of aluminium oxide when it was explained to him that Farage was a metal trader.... it was like a Brian Pern parody sketch
. I worked for 2o+ years getting the 7.38 to liverpool street to work at Lloyd's of london to put food on the table for my family.. it doesn't make me lex luthor. I worked with a load of upper class plums and grafted my way up without this class war chip bollocks on my shoulder , I got on with the job at hand and if someone works hard and earns loot then good luck to them , ive never understood the visceral jealousy of those that equate City with Greed..Most people who work there just want to pay the bills, provide for their children , avoid colon cancer and black lives matter stopping their two weeks holiday to Faro.
As for immigration, please lets not delude ourselves ..it wouldn't have been discussed in any meaningful way if UKIP and Farage hadn' t have dared to discuss the taboo. Remember Gordon Brown and Gillian Duffy 'the Bigot' ? and Lady Nugee Thornberrys image of rochester tweet ?..The cross of st george on display( although not exactly a francis Bacon Art piece ) an apparition to her very DNA. Eventually the major parties caught on with Ed Milliband Graciously telling us' it isnt racist to want to discuss immigration' , cheers Ed.. Even the following Prime Ministers question time after the EU Referendum was entirely devoted to our elected MP'S calling everyone with a left heart ventricle racist and a rollerball verbal assault on nigel farage, each MP outdoing each other in a magnificent display of 5th dan shaolin monk virtue signalling in front of the cameras, some even breaking down and crying on the HOC lawn and thus dismissing the 17,410,742 as pitched on the mean, mode and median of Homo Erectus and Martin bormann ( you can watch it back on bbc i player to check).
i could drone on and on in perpetuity like a fcked hal 9000 so for a LFW Board Harmonious society , im happy to forward the address of the website , via PM, that i am credited on as a main writer for you to look at if you want to explore my views on immigration , farage, UKIP, The left without the handbrake on .. in any case Mrs disco has left me a long list of jobs from applying bath sealant to painting the Kitchen while looking after East Ham Dave my dad who is living with me after his bad fall..its fackin exhausting i tells ya. Like most on here i find this very draining and not very enjoyable, id like just to talk about football, progressive House , Syd Barret, Punk And Dennis Hopper if im honest .
Ukip could well turn out to be a fugazi, probably will, but at the moment.. they are all i've got.
[Post edited 30 Nov 2016 13:24]
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Disco, I realise you and me have history but I post in peace.The disconnect between the people and politicians is palpable throughout the western world. We see the evidence of it every day, the people have had enough of the BS and are voting accordingly. Exactly the same thing occurred in the 1930's, the Great Depression led to the rise of those who offered solutions to those problems, find someone to blame, not the real offenders, and hit them hard.I agree that our politicians have let us down, they are incompetent beyond belief, but in our thrashing around to make sense of it all we should be considered and respectful. You have decided that UKIP supplies answers to these complex questions and I respect your view. I disagree and think that those with wealth, and hence power, ensure that you and me are sidelined in all the decision making and do all that they can to keep us arguing among ourselves so that they can continue in power, let's agree to differ and hope we stuff Wolves on Thursday! | | | |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 15:56 - Nov 30 with 1874 views | TacticalR |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 14:27 - Nov 30 by THEBUSH |
Scotland had their own referendum and they voted by a considerable margin to stay within the Union, by a much larger vote than your 1.9% to leave the EU.
Scotland and NI voted to stay in the EU, England and Wales voted out.
At the moment my passport says, UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND, in a few years time that will be a thing of the past. [Post edited 30 Nov 2016 15:51]
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 16:12 - Nov 30 with 1848 views | essextaxiboy |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 12:23 - Nov 30 by Discodroids |
Hunter Ive knocked up a reply in the 20 minutes ive got between wiping my dads arse and making his lunch, and is directly in response to you asking me of further clarification , and not to wind other board members up with my honest views. Nor do i intend this to be a Harvey Keitel / Keith Carradine situ from the duelists, boring the life essence out of our fellow posters, so this will be all i have to say in reply to your very fair and even handed post.
Imo it is a tragedy that UKIP (who Admittedly have their fair share of members who have crawled out from under a stone ), have temporarily jumped on the pyre of self-immolation as it was the only outfit that could offer a real alternative to these mealy-mouthed, shifty,common purpose , no-hopers that infest public life, our Media and our seats of learning, yet get paid nicely to stand on their hind legs to utter Virtuous platitudes that they think will keep the rabble quiet... And thats just my opinion on Labour.....I've Never, Ever voted for the blue coloured Party, And as for the yellow coloured party, they are just labour without the reproductive Organs.. Distilled. reduced and rendered down From Labour's 4th rib.
Omega men of virtue signalling nothingness who still stand dumbfounded at the referendum result , The leftist Dojo Politique might as well reside on the kuiper belt as far as the people from Manor park to Hornchurch or Plaistow to Romford are concerned. We share a dormant Pineal Gland with them but thats all ..The Lib Dems to me and others like me might as well have flown in on the solar winds from a dwarf planet.
Farron is the Derek Nimmo Of Politics, The venlafaxine vicar who pops round for tea and dazzles the women's institute , A Provincial Local Councillor who should be organising fund raising rummikub sessions in Tendring.. nothing more, nothing less . The sharp end would kill him , immune from the actual realities as i believe them to be in east london.. id love to see him work with me for a day in the probation service , He'd probably thrust a Pro EU pamphlet about the welfare of bees within the Union as a rehabilitation tool into the hands of a post code gang member whose been hitting the crack pipe since he 12 .. Him and Clegg are the most ineffectual pairing since bernie Winters and his gelded mute Beast, Schnorbitz.
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You argue that UKIP is run by middle aged wealthy men, the establishment , ( Arron Banks must be the geezer you mean ?, he seems like the artful Dodger in comparison to i.e the sainsbury Family ) are we meant to be ashamed of this ??, ..what political party isn't ?, Even the Sidney Vicious member of our political sex pistols Supergroup , momentum, purport to be a many headed hydra of working class empowerment ( what a fukin joke), is headed up by a beauty spotted fop in Plaid earmuffs who wouldn't have lasted to the first flush of the armitage shanks on a monday morning in an east london comprehensive, without delving into his personalised initialed tuckbox for a dab of comforting sherbert salve.
I have come to the conclusion that no government of whatever colour within the present spectrum either has the will or the guts to tackle this country's out of control debt. The reticence in sparking Article 50 is evidence that the majority in the HoC will work against the electorate and the media will gladly go along with this scam as it fits in with their own desires. Im plugging in the jukebox and trying another flavour..Ukip.If peoples Noses Crinkle in distaste at this then so be it.
I dont give a fck for their sensitivities, i cant afford to .As an East end favoured son who has seen his people near bred out of existence and forced to the sea along with the rest of his tribe , i'll shed no tear at the demise of the labour party and its tribe for its filthy common purpose schlieffen plan credo and Wannsee conference ideologies.
They shed none for mine.
Why Not ?? every other cnt has let me down or sold me down the river. It must be so enraging for Lib/Lab/Con apparatchiks to know that their Vote is no more important than the vote of an Injection moulded sheet cutter from castleford and that their influence among great swathes of our population, carries less gravitas than the panel of loose women discussing Vaginitis at 1.30 in the afternoon to a bused in studio audience of low risk teenage female attention seeking Bulimia Nervosa Patients .
Im asked every 3 months on here why I support ukip. I give a reply and then i have to spend the next 8 hours on here like Chuck Norris with his rice Flails taking on all comers ..im sure my replies can be found by looking up my history posts . I am a UKIP member (although after the Woolfe Incident i was tempted to jack it all in, still might ), I also donate the fiscal funds i would have spent in January and October (My booze free months) to the party.
I contribute regular articles for a website on the right side of the Hive. These are my meagre contributions, such as they are, to a movement i believe in. Although, this is currently under review as like many , It may have been 'the Guv'nor' as he is known to us Kippers, Nigel Farage, that i believed in and not the unseemly bickering rabble left in his wake. I voted For Nutall as hopefully a unifying Member, (Unbelievably the judith chalmers doppleganger Stewart Lee and his vignette didn't sway me away for casting my vote for Nuttal, crazy i know).. And truth be told the paucity of options once Woolfe was out of the equation, was feeble and talent Sparse.
Ambition achieved with brexit , This embryonic party( 2o years old) is undergoing transmutation into something else , whether its something i will support remains to be seen . Im unashamedly a Nigel Farage concubine, fluffer, cabin boy , muse , fanboy and devotee. To the fckin Hilt. I admire his bravery, some 13, 000 death threats to him and his children have been made since the 23rd of june 2016. I had to listen to Peter Kellner on sky news on sunday more or less Distilling and reducing the severity of these death threats to Nigel Farage with great gusto , as if they were nothing more than Cissie Braithwaite and Ada Shufflebottom disagreeing over the garden fence, while at the same time comparing right wing hatemongering on twitter to the study of hair growth patterns in twins at sobibor .
the sky News Presenter nodding lasciviously in approval looking on . Incredible.
One of Farages crimes as seen by the left , seems to be that he worked in the city..I remember Corbyn in an LBC interview branding him a 'banker' , which he wasn't, and then asking him about the welfare of mexican miners of aluminium oxide when it was explained to him that Farage was a metal trader.... it was like a Brian Pern parody sketch
. I worked for 2o+ years getting the 7.38 to liverpool street to work at Lloyd's of london to put food on the table for my family.. it doesn't make me lex luthor. I worked with a load of upper class plums and grafted my way up without this class war chip bollocks on my shoulder , I got on with the job at hand and if someone works hard and earns loot then good luck to them , ive never understood the visceral jealousy of those that equate City with Greed..Most people who work there just want to pay the bills, provide for their children , avoid colon cancer and black lives matter stopping their two weeks holiday to Faro.
As for immigration, please lets not delude ourselves ..it wouldn't have been discussed in any meaningful way if UKIP and Farage hadn' t have dared to discuss the taboo. Remember Gordon Brown and Gillian Duffy 'the Bigot' ? and Lady Nugee Thornberrys image of rochester tweet ?..The cross of st george on display( although not exactly a francis Bacon Art piece ) an apparition to her very DNA. Eventually the major parties caught on with Ed Milliband Graciously telling us' it isnt racist to want to discuss immigration' , cheers Ed.. Even the following Prime Ministers question time after the EU Referendum was entirely devoted to our elected MP'S calling everyone with a left heart ventricle racist and a rollerball verbal assault on nigel farage, each MP outdoing each other in a magnificent display of 5th dan shaolin monk virtue signalling in front of the cameras, some even breaking down and crying on the HOC lawn and thus dismissing the 17,410,742 as pitched on the mean, mode and median of Homo Erectus and Martin bormann ( you can watch it back on bbc i player to check).
i could drone on and on in perpetuity like a fcked hal 9000 so for a LFW Board Harmonious society , im happy to forward the address of the website , via PM, that i am credited on as a main writer for you to look at if you want to explore my views on immigration , farage, UKIP, The left without the handbrake on .. in any case Mrs disco has left me a long list of jobs from applying bath sealant to painting the Kitchen while looking after East Ham Dave my dad who is living with me after his bad fall..its fackin exhausting i tells ya. Like most on here i find this very draining and not very enjoyable, id like just to talk about football, progressive House , Syd Barret, Punk And Dennis Hopper if im honest .
Ukip could well turn out to be a fugazi, probably will, but at the moment.. they are all i've got.
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Stopped decorating for a beer and just read this .... classic
The futures bright .......
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57ab4019f5e2314c509b4543/t/57b49341197aea [Post edited 30 Nov 2016 16:14]
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| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 16:22 - Nov 30 with 2198 views | THEBUSH |
| Paul Nuttall new UKIP leader on 15:56 - Nov 30 by TacticalR |
Bits drop off diseased bodies. |
Which part of yours dropped off, boom boom,  | | | |
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