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Reply | Jason Levien has left us in a stronger position than when he took over?
at 11:00 29 Nov 2024
Trust invested in shares in the club and their holdings devalued further with the extra share issued
K&L and various investors shares likewise also lost the value of their shares also further decreased.
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This lost of value of the investors shares is solely down to the loss of Premier league status of the club because of the mismanagement by the controlling interest in the club.
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Has the Trust lost money that their members paid in because of legal fees yes and they have also lost members or fans but so has the club.
Neither is good for the club in the long run and it must have been one of the reason the Trust would stop the costly legal action, for the good of the club over its members wishes, you could say that the controlling interest is doing the same by giving away that controlling interest.
Or is it a case of both both the Trust and K&L cutting their losses and running, sorry are the Trust still here, battered yes and need to build it's membership again, a bit like the new controlling interest in the club has to.
Just remember members of the Trust who pay their dues are not in it to make a profit so to talk about investing elsewhere seems nonesense and the Trust invested and still invested in the club. |
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Reply | Time to move Key?
at 21:03 28 Nov 2024
To me it looks as if Key is being asked to move into the midfield given his skills which with Grimes dropping between the centrehalves as needed, this in the end needs Cabango to cover the winger when a high line is enacted which leaves us vulnerable to attack on the right, Tymons is asked to get forward as we don't have a left footed wingers which means Darling has to cover the left, which in turn means Grimes is left to cover the middle, if we get caught on the break there is very little cover in the middle which Leeds exposed to good effect. So is it a good idea to leave opposition wingers free to attack down the flanks, we exploited a similar issues that Leeds have, excepted they did it better.
Grimes is playing better this season it seems and Cabango and Darling are giving sterling preformances.
Key and Tymon positioning could be crucial to our success this season but in a defensive capacity unless we either get adequate cover for them or a player able to play comfortably on the left and a permanent addition to the midfield, some want an attacking midfielder but is it needed once Eom returns or if we are playing with a centre forward and number 10 enabling players to concentrate on there primary role. The squad needs strengthening no question about that but who are we likely to get. |
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Reply | Eom
at 18:15 28 Nov 2024
Maybe best to ensure he is fit and able to play and introduce him slowly getting him ready for the congested Christmas period? |
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Reply | Darling
at 18:13 28 Nov 2024
I hope that continues for a few seasons more, the last bit of course. |
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Reply | Time to move Key?
at 18:04 28 Nov 2024
His pace is an asset and the further up the park he uses it the better, he has got good feet but you have to remember is he use to being in the middle of midfield with his back to the opposition defenders, he seems to be a good striker of the ball and a calmness about him to take the right options as he bears down on goal. He has had to gain experience at Championship level even at right back, nice to see that both him and Tymon seem to improving defensively, Tymon had a torrid time organist the wing but in the end it was nice to see him ensure the winger didn't get as much time on the ball in the closing stages.
When I saw the thread header I thought the question was do we move him on and sell him, to me he needs to be one of the mainstays of the team for as long as we can hold onto him |
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Reply | Derby County v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ⚽️
at 16:32 28 Nov 2024
Of course they didn't press us in the first 20mins and of course they had to change and we did move the ball well at times as they struggle to get a foot in the game.Happy to get the win, all through games you would expect it be be nip and tuck it is all about adapting to get the upper hand on teams, are you saying they were poor in the first 20 mins as opposed to us being good, if that is your argument you could say the opposite applied after the 20mins mark , we both know that is not how games pan out.
They had to attack because they were 2-0 down, we had to defend because of their pressure, the question should be how do we relieve that pressure and did we do it effectively often enough. We won so is the answer yes but could we have done it better. |
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Reply | Derby County v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ⚽️
at 14:27 28 Nov 2024
Didn't it cost Man City goals against Spurs, yes there is a big difference of class between teams in the Premiership and Championship but lots of the same applies. Play in tight areas of the pitch it will cause you problems defensively especially in your defensive half of the pitch.
In that first 20mins our passing was crisp and movement was good, they needed to close us down it is then up to us to exploit the gaps elsewhere while ensuring we didn't buckle under pressure. Quite happy for a defender facing his on goal to stifling a move with a kick to row Z but not happy when you can see the length of the pitch looking forward and kicking the ball anywhere as seen late in the game last night there should be better options..
Really can't see the point of Vipotnik running around like a headless chicken when the defender has an ocean of space to pass the ball on to or as the speeding Vipotnik came forward just push it passed him leaving him unable to stop or turn given the speed he is travelling taking him out of the games really needs to be cleverer in his closing down, somebody else did the same looking like an amateur, previously we have seen with Eom closing down in the way they have been asked to do looking just as bad. |
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Reply | Time to move Key?
at 14:02 28 Nov 2024
Mentioned Key moving into the midfield quite sometime ago but was derided about putting square pegs in round holes. At that time we needed a rightback playing right back when Key eventually got moved from the left when we acquired 3 left footed players he moved to rightback, Key then got injured. Then Darling got tried again at right back until Naughton was picked and showed he still had something to give at rightback even if it wasn't 90mins until the last day if the season were most thought he was done with the Swans. It has resulted in a settled back four which for the most part has continued to this season, Key, Cabango,Darling and Tymon.
Key and Franco seem to be protected understandably given Key's injury record in the short time here, not sure about Franco injury record before joining but he does seem to take beating in the middle.
So if Key moves into the middle who goes to rightback Naughton or maybe Christie now although haven't read the thread on Darling yet so may not be available. As has be mentioned when Key came on he added a bit of steel down rhe flanks to reduce Derby's effectiveness, even Tymon with Christie behind him seem to up the defensive side of his game not letting the winger dictate the game to him as the game progress our flanks seemed better protected because of Tymon's defensive play not because of the addition of Christie.
If Darling is out cannot see Key being moved until Christie gets a run of games. Naughton can do a job but obviously his legs cannot match some wingers even if his brain can.
Key gives that drive and quality on the ball when pushed into the middle but as seen cover was lacking against Leeds for his runs forward.
January transfer window seems we have a number requests for players in different areas of the pitch to allow the games of lost points into one's where points that should have been gained are. |
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Reply | Jason Levien has left us in a stronger position than when he took over?
at 08:34 28 Nov 2024
Experienced internationals and teenage pranks really, Gyokeres got picked but not starting as Lowe and Ayew were scoring goals earlier in the season, the loss of Gibbs-White early in his time here meant an attacking midfielder of quality was need to get us up the park very early in his time here hence the Amercans but one got injured the other not good enough at Championship level? The best that could be found was Hourihane who it turned out his legs had gone after a wonder goal start that raised false promise.
So we went from a team that that was top of the division to one that slipped out of the play off places until the very last game if memory serves me right.
There is no doubt that K& L brought extra money into the club initially but had little idea of how to run it properly who actually controlled those purse strings, Huw Jenkins who didn't get it right when selling Dan James the first time or did he?
Who authorised the appoint of the managers the likes of Bradley, Clements, Potter, Cooper, Martin and Duff all very inexperienced managers at the level they were asked to manage, why presumably because they were cheaper than others. Some you could say performed well with who they had on the pitch but somehow our influential signing seem to have injury issues presumably bought or loaned to us on the cheap or as a testing bed for recovery patients.
After the intial spend, money has been tight being the unsuccessful custodians of the club in the Premier League their choices be it managers or players have been inexperienced or unwise, K & L managed to sell a dream to their investors both in the Premier League and even managed to find more investors selling the dream of a return to the top league, it hasn't happened yet.
The academy downgraded, the crowds dropping, the sales on the concourses almost none existent given the drop in catering standards while the price get hiked.
You also explained why the Trust didn't pursue the litigation as it would of had a detrimental effect of both the trust and club both financially and clubs long term future, so the trust swallowed it pride and took a hit, it will take a time to get some credibility back but for the club it did the right thing after it's bad treatment, the Trust is not there as a money making organisation is was there for the benefit of the club.
And yet you carry on the name calling whole swaves of Swansea fans presumably if you include enough names of areas of the city of Swansea and the country of Wales or even nationalities you can goad some of your intended targets without doing it directly as is prohibited but the rules of the site.but it is equally as nauseating.
We have seen it before a fan?
The owners or the investors take a financial hit while the new regime is put into place, a failed investment it happens in business trying to recoup funding but hopefully with the new owners or investors it will be for the future and good of the club but who knows? |
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Reply | Derby County v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ⚽️
at 23:42 27 Nov 2024
Nice to have the three points cracking start which forced Derby to press, we rode our luck but it was about time we had some. As they pressed we invited them on trying to have too many touches on the ball in the middle of the par and getting caught, there were lots of stupid mistakes, don't think I have seen Cabango have so many of his passes go astray or intercepted, Tymon was targeted again but fair dos to him he persevered and eventually started intercept passes to the winger and at times stopped him turning and running at him so much. Key when a came on dealt with the high cross field ball that he seems to struggle with at the Swansea.com stadium maybe the floodlight position in our ground ensure blind spots as the ball come cross field.
Happy to take the points, on to the next game. |
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Reply | Swansea City : Ronald is a cheat !
at 22:49 26 Nov 2024
Franco use to go down theatrically quite often when he first got here but has wised up to the Championship but he is now taking some beatings in terms of physical contact, Ronald being a winger already knows he is going to get the full back giving him a dig and yes over exaggerates the contact at times but a good full back will test the water to see how a winger reacts to a strong challenge from behind early on knowing that most refs don't want to dish out the yellow cards that early.
Dyer roasted Patrice Evra in his fist game against him but in the second after few stiff challenges by Evra Dyer didn't want to know, Evra coached to test how Dyer would react by cheating giving fouls away risking the yellow card, playing the ref.
Ronald won the free kick that lead to the first goal and had the assist that lead to the second and yet is accused of having a quiet game, this is what your attacking players do, they can look awful trying things to deceive defenders when they don't come off but they are in the team for the times they do come off.
Cheat away as much as you want Ronald but just don't make it too obvious.
One point about making fouls too obvious was the case on Sunday where Ronald had got in front of the defenders who fell down but the freekick went against Ronald because the referee's decision must have been coloured by the fact that Ronald must be a cheat and not the fact that Ronald got the better of the defender [Post edited 26 Nov 23:08]
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Reply | Man City do a Swansea...
at 22:17 26 Nov 2024
Listening to the pundits at the end of the game they are saying exactly what some of the posters on here have said about the Swans, bad high lines, bad individual errors and inviting pressure, lack of concentration. At the end of the day football throws up these type of games time after time just want to see us not getting in these situations, games that points should be won but lost. |
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Reply | Swansea City & Jason Levien : The crucial omissions
at 11:22 26 Nov 2024
Would be interesting to know if there a time frame for us to get into the Premier League to pay the £10 million up to £40 million or is the requirement to pay the 10 million anytime in the future regardless how far ahead that may be. |
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Reply | Derby County v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ⚽️
at 10:19 26 Nov 2024
It is not about going into defensive mode it is about bypassing the opposition's press, cutting out the forced mistakes while also ensuring we don't get caught on break as often as we do and did against Leeds.
Leeds fans were full of praise for our style of play as opposed to Burnley who parked the bus according to them and yet Burnley won their game against them we didn't, twice we got ahead in the game and once we managed to level the game because they were unable to defend against us properly but we played straight into their hands conceding four also not defending properly and not reacting to the dangers they possessed. Don't think Leeds fans would have been so gracious if they had drawn or lost the game.
Derby away from home,they will come at us and we can catch them on the break or by good play and passing but we have to defend properly when needed. |
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Reply | Swansea City : Those errors continue in a right old thriller
at 23:33 25 Nov 2024
How many of us see four attackers racing into the box with only two defenders trying to stop the tide, credit has to be given to Darling, Cabango and Vigouroux for many games this season but the tracking back by the others when a high line is employed is not good enough especially if we are going to give the ball away so cheaply in the centre of the park the most congested part of the pitch with our full backs needing to be high up the pitch for us to show any attacking quality or intent. Picked off again when the opposition needs to.
Yes progress seems to be made but Williams still has yet to work out how to get the best from his players for 90 or more minutes over a consistent number games.
All about getting the balance right, has William's got the players available to do that given the injuries we have to our attacking players. [Post edited 26 Nov 6:56]
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