| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs 09:09 - Jan 19 with 10407 views | numptydumpty |
Would you want that ???
For me, an emphatic NO...
If the playing fields were much more even, then absolutely yes, but it could do to us like what has happened to Luton and many others.
We are on the crest of a wave currently - and I want that to continue for as long as is possible.
Yes this scenario is very unlikely to happen but just wondered what others thought.
It's amazing what's happening at the moment but the Leicester game who have lost seven in a row in the premiership shows the gulf.
Just wondering what others think ?? [Post edited 19 Jan 9:11]
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 15:02 - Jan 20 with 1225 views | Rsole |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 14:32 - Jan 20 by GaryHaddock |
‘Apparently there are clubs in Germany who refuse promotion to their third division because it forces them to become professional and undertake stadium upgrades’
This happens now and again in non league here. Some non league clubs get a lot of income from selling seats viewing the pitch where you can have a beer but I think the ban kicks in at National League or National League regional level,
This might be out of date now, but rumour had it that Dulwich Hamlet were subject to this. |
Yeah, I can just imagine Nourry saying no to promotion…
We’ve got a way to go to that hypothetical and don’t forget we just lost 6:2 to Leicester who are adrift with the Scummers.
Now, a playoff run would help soften the Cup failings and put a decent amount of money away, not least from the showcasing of some players.
6th place would be a realistic goal to give us that opportunity and the next batch of games look like we could gain some points on those above us if we hold our own.
Let’s face it, that would be more massive than West Ham - for us…. |  |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 15:21 - Jan 20 with 1152 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I know this is a hypothetical conversation, but I thought I'd check out the bookies' odds for the craic.
Relegation - 12/1
Top 6 - 25/1 |  |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 15:35 - Jan 20 with 1102 views | sprocket |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 15:21 - Jan 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
I know this is a hypothetical conversation, but I thought I'd check out the bookies' odds for the craic.
Relegation - 12/1
Top 6 - 25/1 |
unlikely I know but we win the next 3 (Hull/SW/Wall) those odds will tumble |  | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 16:04 - Jan 20 with 1009 views | Rsole |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 15:21 - Jan 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
I know this is a hypothetical conversation, but I thought I'd check out the bookies' odds for the craic.
Relegation - 12/1
Top 6 - 25/1 |
Maybe worth a punt on both as a weird each way bet, Brian !
Lump on :-) [Post edited 20 Jan 16:05]
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 16:38 - Jan 20 with 917 views | A40Bosh |
Have not had the time to read all 5 pages of responses but here is my take.
If I was Nourry and the owners in this current window, there should be no talk of "going for it" or "backing the manager" - we stick to a strategy that we are looking at stability and ensuring there is no realistic fear of relegation for this season. They stuck with Marti for the first half of the season and he now appears to have pulled us out of a nose dive as we recovered from a period of key player injuries and adapting and integrating new and younger players and thus far it seems to be now heading in the right direction.
Last Saturday, I think of the 11 of the clubs above us, only 3 actually won their game, some lost and others drew - hence we are still close to the top 6.
If by some miracle that gap kept closing and we continue with this "rich vein of form" and ended up finishing in the playoffs - then what an achievement.
The next bit is the hard bit. If we won the playoffs, then great - Premier League for one season - everyone remembers who the feck QPR is and then likely we spend the year getting spanked by the big boys like Southampton and Ipswich.
However, unlike last time, the board HAVE to accept that relegation is highly likely and that will not be directly the fault of Marti and his team. Therefore, the Board, the club, and importantly the "fan" base accept it for what it is, get behind Marti and the boys.
We don't spunk all the money "to try and stay up" enjoy our season in the Prem as much as we can and pocket the Sky money and use it sensibly to continue for PSR/FFP recovery and and financial stability. The downside is the constant battering every week in the Premier league may mentally hang over in to the following year and we become like Luton.
So if it were to happen then hey-ho, but I would rather we finish 8-10th this year, pat Marti and the team on the back and say "onwards and upwards" after a season that we hoped for actually did transpire after a horrid start. |  |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 17:15 - Jan 20 with 825 views | LongsufferingR |
Well, discussions on here have changed a bit since November! |  | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 17:17 - Jan 20 with 816 views | TK1 |
This thread is all good knockabout fun, but nobody seriously believes this a promotion squad, do they? Oh really? But..we were in the bottom three and hopeless six weeks ago. You know what they say about pride coming before a five match losing run and a fall down the table.
(yes, please hold the line Mr Warburton, February, March and April 2022 will be with you in a moment...)
In all seriousness, it's as likely as Ian Holloway still being in charge of Swindon at Christmas. | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 17:34 - Jan 20 with 751 views | Lanhoop |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 17:17 - Jan 20 by TK1 |
This thread is all good knockabout fun, but nobody seriously believes this a promotion squad, do they? Oh really? But..we were in the bottom three and hopeless six weeks ago. You know what they say about pride coming before a five match losing run and a fall down the table.
(yes, please hold the line Mr Warburton, February, March and April 2022 will be with you in a moment...)
In all seriousness, it's as likely as Ian Holloway still being in charge of Swindon at Christmas. |
At the end of November, Blackburn were in 6th place with 28 points and we were 23rd with 14. 10 matches later they are now in 5th with 42 points and we are 12th with 35.
Somehow this squad has halved the points gap. If the points trajectory continues then yes it is a promotion squad.
It’s been done by others before but never by us and I can’t imagine it happening but it’s more fun to consider it than continue worrying about being dead and buried.
As you say though, we will now fail to win any of the next 6 matches. | | | |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 18:56 - Jan 20 with 632 views | KensalT |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 17:34 - Jan 20 by Lanhoop |
At the end of November, Blackburn were in 6th place with 28 points and we were 23rd with 14. 10 matches later they are now in 5th with 42 points and we are 12th with 35.
Somehow this squad has halved the points gap. If the points trajectory continues then yes it is a promotion squad.
It’s been done by others before but never by us and I can’t imagine it happening but it’s more fun to consider it than continue worrying about being dead and buried.
As you say though, we will now fail to win any of the next 6 matches. |
To be fair, Blackburn have played Leeds, Burnley, and Sunderland since the end of November. That's a much harder run than we've had. | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 18:56 - Jan 20 with 630 views | cheeseydane |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 16:38 - Jan 20 by A40Bosh |
Have not had the time to read all 5 pages of responses but here is my take.
If I was Nourry and the owners in this current window, there should be no talk of "going for it" or "backing the manager" - we stick to a strategy that we are looking at stability and ensuring there is no realistic fear of relegation for this season. They stuck with Marti for the first half of the season and he now appears to have pulled us out of a nose dive as we recovered from a period of key player injuries and adapting and integrating new and younger players and thus far it seems to be now heading in the right direction.
Last Saturday, I think of the 11 of the clubs above us, only 3 actually won their game, some lost and others drew - hence we are still close to the top 6.
If by some miracle that gap kept closing and we continue with this "rich vein of form" and ended up finishing in the playoffs - then what an achievement.
The next bit is the hard bit. If we won the playoffs, then great - Premier League for one season - everyone remembers who the feck QPR is and then likely we spend the year getting spanked by the big boys like Southampton and Ipswich.
However, unlike last time, the board HAVE to accept that relegation is highly likely and that will not be directly the fault of Marti and his team. Therefore, the Board, the club, and importantly the "fan" base accept it for what it is, get behind Marti and the boys.
We don't spunk all the money "to try and stay up" enjoy our season in the Prem as much as we can and pocket the Sky money and use it sensibly to continue for PSR/FFP recovery and and financial stability. The downside is the constant battering every week in the Premier league may mentally hang over in to the following year and we become like Luton.
So if it were to happen then hey-ho, but I would rather we finish 8-10th this year, pat Marti and the team on the back and say "onwards and upwards" after a season that we hoped for actually did transpire after a horrid start. |
Thanks, you just saved me alot of writing.
Totally agree. The only snag is, the point about MC not being sacked. Not sure any board can be trusted to keep their word. Nearly all managers, right or wrong, get canned when bottom of the prem. That for me, is the biggest downfall if we were to go up. We'd almost certainly lose Marti. I'd rather have him around a bit longer. 5 years at least 😊 |  |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:17 - Jan 20 with 593 views | NewBee |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 14:18 - Jan 19 by cheeseydane |
But they had prepared better. Their squads were better.
2 years more under MC before we even think about promotion. [Post edited 19 Jan 14:20]
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A good point (imo).
When Bees got promoted from League One in 2013/14, under a certain Mark Warburton(!), they made a very good attempt at gaining an immediate second promotion (tailed off to finish 5th and flunked the p/o's).
Had we gone up to the PL that time it would have been a disaster, since our players simply weren't good enough eg our leading striker was Andre Gray.
Then after five seasons consolidating and building in the Championship, in 2019/20 we got to the P/O Final and were beaten by Fulham, before winning the P/O's the following season (vs Swansea). Most Bees fans agree that the first time probably would have been too soon, so we'd have struggled to survive. But by the second season, we were so much better prepared eg signing Ivan Toney as our main striker, hence our staying up.
All that said, we'd still all have taken it in the Fulham defeat season, if only because the parachute money would still have given a massive boost to our chances of bouncing straight back up following a one season relegation. As eg Fulham did after they had gone up before us.
So if you get the chance, go for it! [Post edited 20 Jan 19:34]
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:22 - Jan 20 with 569 views | NewBee |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 09:36 - Jan 20 by BAWHoops |
Love the hypothetical!!
I'd love to go up, but wouldn't want the consequences of it!
The idea that you bank the money etc etc is fine until you look at Luton who are involved in another relegation battle this season!
On Luton, everyone talks about their plucky campaign last season... they got 26 points. That's 1 more than when we got relegated in the Hughes/Redknapp season and 4 less than when we went down under Ramsey!!
For the promoted clubs it essentially comes down to your transfer business which itself involves a bit of luck. Ipswich seem to have a gem in Liasm Delap, signed for a chunky fee from a Top 6 Academy. Whilst Cameron Archer is the same profile and is stinking the place out for Southampton! |
Isn't the point about Luton that they're using their unexpected one season windfall to help pay for their new stadium?
Which over the long term, will do far more for them than spunking it on players transfers and wages, in a hardly-guaranteed attempt to bounce straight back up again. | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:26 - Jan 20 with 556 views | Lanhoop |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 18:56 - Jan 20 by KensalT |
To be fair, Blackburn have played Leeds, Burnley, and Sunderland since the end of November. That's a much harder run than we've had. |
They took two points from the two home matches and one away.
Against the same opponents we took two points from one home match and two away.
All we're proving is the championship is pretty closely matched. | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:32 - Jan 20 with 533 views | NewBee |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 16:04 - Jan 20 by Rsole |
Maybe worth a punt on both as a weird each way bet, Brian !
Lump on :-) [Post edited 20 Jan 16:05]
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Take it from an ex-bookie, that's not the way to do it. If you must have a punt, decide which is the more likely, no matter how marginally, then put ALL your stake money on that.
Otherwise you're absolutely guaranteed that one bet/half your dosh will be a loser.
Of course you may decide that the other bet has so little chance that it's not worth backing either, in which case save your money for The Derby in June. | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:33 - Jan 20 with 530 views | BushRanger82 |
And some fans want the club to disrespect cup competitions for, what would be for many, an unpallatable return to a league we'd never really compete in.
Just making up the numbers like Brentford and Fulham.
God, I hate this modern game sometimes. |  | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:35 - Jan 20 with 523 views | dm97 |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:22 - Jan 20 by NewBee |
Isn't the point about Luton that they're using their unexpected one season windfall to help pay for their new stadium?
Which over the long term, will do far more for them than spunking it on players transfers and wages, in a hardly-guaranteed attempt to bounce straight back up again. |
All very well having the best stadium in league 1 mind.
It’s not mutually exclusive as you lot have proved. Find the whole debate here a bit misleading, it’s fundamentally about making good decisions (on players, managers, club upgrades etc etc). With more money the stakes on those decisions are higher, so getting them right pays off big time and getting them wrong screws you for, in our case, a decade.
All the clubs that have done it successfully have smart people upstairs who get those calls right (all the bs - Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth).
Nourry might be that smart person, we don’t know yet, but we know our owners are not those smart people. Just have to hope when the time comes we have someone who can get the big decisions right, because if fecking Bournemouth can be 5th then we have to aspire to at least be at the bloody table. |  | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:41 - Jan 20 with 504 views | NewBee |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:33 - Jan 20 by BushRanger82 |
And some fans want the club to disrespect cup competitions for, what would be for many, an unpallatable return to a league we'd never really compete in.
Just making up the numbers like Brentford and Fulham.
God, I hate this modern game sometimes. |
I suspect 90%+ of Bees fans would far rather "make up the numbers" in the PL, than go back to the Championship. While I am sure the owner and execs at the club are determined to try to progress to beyond that status, even if it must seem long odds-against to neutral outsiders.
As for Fulham fans, I'd guess it's the same, at least if their owners weren't gouging them shame-facedly over ticket prices. | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:44 - Jan 20 with 482 views | Rsole |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:32 - Jan 20 by NewBee |
Take it from an ex-bookie, that's not the way to do it. If you must have a punt, decide which is the more likely, no matter how marginally, then put ALL your stake money on that.
Otherwise you're absolutely guaranteed that one bet/half your dosh will be a loser.
Of course you may decide that the other bet has so little chance that it's not worth backing either, in which case save your money for The Derby in June. |
Oh Bugger !
I stuck all my Bitcoin on finishing in 16th but only got evens.
Any payout will likely be in TrumpMemeCoins. | |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:47 - Jan 20 with 475 views | NewBee |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:35 - Jan 20 by dm97 |
All very well having the best stadium in league 1 mind.
It’s not mutually exclusive as you lot have proved. Find the whole debate here a bit misleading, it’s fundamentally about making good decisions (on players, managers, club upgrades etc etc). With more money the stakes on those decisions are higher, so getting them right pays off big time and getting them wrong screws you for, in our case, a decade.
All the clubs that have done it successfully have smart people upstairs who get those calls right (all the bs - Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth).
Nourry might be that smart person, we don’t know yet, but we know our owners are not those smart people. Just have to hope when the time comes we have someone who can get the big decisions right, because if fecking Bournemouth can be 5th then we have to aspire to at least be at the bloody table. |
Regarding Luton and the best stadium in L1 etc, it's not that long since they were non-league, and in the shittiest stadium South of the Arctic Circle.
The point surely being that the new stadium can give them financial security for the next 50 years i.e. plenty of time for them to climb back up to the PL again, even if after a spell in L1 or below.
(Agree with all the rest of your post) | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:56 - Jan 20 with 455 views | Ranger_Things |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 13:05 - Jan 20 by TK1 |
I want to win every game QPR ever play. I want to win the Championship with 138 points and run across Loftus Road on the day we are given the trophy doing a willy copter at the crying Luton fans. I love watching QPR win.
But I absolutely loath the Premier League from the bottom of my heart. I hate the prices, I hate the politics, I hate VAR with all my soul, I hate the tourists home and away taking photos of teams scoring against their own. I hate the podcasts. I hate all the talking heads. I hate the noise and everything about it. Fcking Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher having an opinion about your team that you are meant to listen to. I hate the fact that clubs are now actively working against their fans keeping season tickets, that in a decade there will be no season tickets.
I know within a few weeks up there I'd hate it even more, that there are millions of other things I'd hate that I don't even know about yet.
I'd like to win the league with 138 points and say, 'Thanks, we'll defend this next season'. Then have a big parade and loads of drink and drugs.
I know that would be incredibly unpopular and would never happen in a million years and instead I'll be spending twice as much to watch us lose 0-4 to Bournemouth home and away. But I'd prefer it. |
Amen brother. |  | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:58 - Jan 20 with 439 views | loftboy |
Didn’t Palace get promoted under Holloway after being near the bottom at Christmas? |  |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 20:10 - Jan 20 with 414 views | Loft1979 |
Nottingham forest. no business getting promoted but now.. |  | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 20:13 - Jan 20 with 407 views | hantssi |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 19:26 - Jan 20 by Lanhoop |
They took two points from the two home matches and one away.
Against the same opponents we took two points from one home match and two away.
All we're proving is the championship is pretty closely matched. |
How on earth did we get 2 points from 1 home match? 😜 | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 20:40 - Jan 20 with 365 views | kensalriser |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 15:21 - Jan 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
I know this is a hypothetical conversation, but I thought I'd check out the bookies' odds for the craic.
Relegation - 12/1
Top 6 - 25/1 |
I've seen 40/1 for top 6, not sure if it's a reputable bookie but those are very good odds considering. |  |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 20:49 - Jan 20 with 341 views | Lanhoop |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 20:13 - Jan 20 by hantssi |
How on earth did we get 2 points from 1 home match? 😜 |
Leeds 1 - 1 Blackburn
Blackburn 2 - 2 Sunderland
Blackburn 0 - 1 Burnley
Against...
Burnley 0 - 0 QPR
Leeds 2 - 0 QPR
QPR 0 - 0 Sunderland
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