| Crowd 15:53 - Feb 3 with 6585 views | Chippy69 |
Lots of empty seats there today
Hope it really hurts the yanks
That’s all there interested in is the mighty dollar
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For saving us from hell
And then they put us through it
It's time the bastards fell
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| Crowd on 20:51 - Feb 3 with 1008 views | vetchonian |
| Crowd on 20:42 - Feb 3 by jack247 |
That’s not feasible. To the best of my knowledge, that hasn’t happened ever, anywhere, on the scale of a club our size.
What does happen, is that clubs get taken over by more competent, visible owners than we have.
Owners that don’t turn the club into a shell of the one they bought within a decade. Admittedly, what also happens is clubs get taken over by far worse owners than we have.
Just because the fans aren’t in a position to buy the club, doesn’t mean they can’t be frustrated with the Americans, or that they can’t voice that. |
you are right but I get angry when the current owners are accused of taking money out of the club or mot splashing the cash we don't have.
The sellouts so called fans cashed in and sold to owners who don't have the passion for our club.
There us a difference we as fans have an emotional attachment tocthe club the American business people don't.
I know wenas fans don't have the choice to buy the club my illustration is just to get folk to focus on the reality of what the current owners have as a situation and wasmposed to get outer fans to consider the expense.....wouldn't it be great though if we had the opportunity to buy the club....though if we did we couldn't really afford to sustain it as we would wish.....which is where the current business head owners are |  |
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| Crowd on 20:57 - Feb 3 with 979 views | jack247 |
| Crowd on 20:51 - Feb 3 by vetchonian |
you are right but I get angry when the current owners are accused of taking money out of the club or mot splashing the cash we don't have.
The sellouts so called fans cashed in and sold to owners who don't have the passion for our club.
There us a difference we as fans have an emotional attachment tocthe club the American business people don't.
I know wenas fans don't have the choice to buy the club my illustration is just to get folk to focus on the reality of what the current owners have as a situation and wasmposed to get outer fans to consider the expense.....wouldn't it be great though if we had the opportunity to buy the club....though if we did we couldn't really afford to sustain it as we would wish.....which is where the current business head owners are |
The fact is they haven’t done a very good job.
We have gone from relegation to firesale to blooding the academy players to selling them all off to a model of buying rough diamonds and trying to sell for a big profit to attracting investment which keeps us going but dilutes everyone’s shares.
I hate to think what the next stage will be.
Reality is, no one would care about their nationality or that they are dispassionate, absent and purely see us as an investment, if they were doing a decent job. | | | |
| Crowd on 21:00 - Feb 3 with 979 views | max936 |
| Crowd on 20:41 - Feb 3 by vetchonian |
that's the rhetorical question isn't it
but think about it here we are manynof us having a go at the owners....accusing them of bleeding us dry when the reality is each season money has to be pumped in.
If I had that money to spare I would yes..the reality is eithe club need money putting in every season that's why HJ et al sold out as due to certain circumstances it was becomes harder to find the necessary additional funding.
Don't get me wrong I m not totally enamoured with our owners but without them where would we be.
Too many folks are pointing fingers at them .....n
but without them there would be no Swans |
I would never put a penny into a football even if I won 100 plus million on the lottery. |  |
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| Crowd on 21:04 - Feb 3 with 970 views | vetchonian |
| Crowd on 21:00 - Feb 3 by max936 |
I would never put a penny into a football even if I won 100 plus million on the lottery. |
so let's not knock those who do
I've often wished I could win £140m ish on the Euromillions then I could buy the club...but I recognise football clubs are money pits....shame that others don't see this but continue to criticise our owners....by the way our previous owners bought players with a view to capitalising on them too..its what help fund us on PL times... | |
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| Crowd on 21:06 - Feb 3 with 962 views | BillyChong |
| Crowd on 20:42 - Feb 3 by jack247 |
That’s not feasible. To the best of my knowledge, that hasn’t happened ever, anywhere, on the scale of a club our size.
What does happen, is that clubs get taken over by more competent, visible owners than we have.
Owners that don’t turn the club into a shell of the one they bought within a decade. Admittedly, what also happens is clubs get taken over by far worse owners than we have.
Just because the fans aren’t in a position to buy the club, doesn’t mean they can’t be frustrated with the Americans, or that they can’t voice that. |
Not on a scale of the club at present but it’s had to happen lower down as we are all too familiar | | | |
| Crowd on 21:10 - Feb 3 with 943 views | max936 |
| Crowd on 21:04 - Feb 3 by vetchonian |
so let's not knock those who do
I've often wished I could win £140m ish on the Euromillions then I could buy the club...but I recognise football clubs are money pits....shame that others don't see this but continue to criticise our owners....by the way our previous owners bought players with a view to capitalising on them too..its what help fund us on PL times... |
Hang on a goddam minute, they bought the club with the words that they could sustain the club and take us to the next level, how's that claim working out?
140 - 200 mil will flitter away in the flood water flowing down the Tawe. | |
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| Crowd on 21:15 - Feb 3 with 938 views | vetchonian |
| Crowd on 21:10 - Feb 3 by max936 |
Hang on a goddam minute, they bought the club with the words that they could sustain the club and take us to the next level, how's that claim working out?
140 - 200 mil will flitter away in the flood water flowing down the Tawe. |
they didn't truly understand the situation....relegation brought a different situation with reduced income....and those words about next level etc came from the mouth of Huw Jenkins not Jason and Steve.
They got sold a pup by the sellouts who wanted desperately to cash in....they would have sole to the Moores lot had the Trust not intervened which is why when Jase and Steve turned up they kept the Trust out-of things | |
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| Crowd on 21:30 - Feb 3 with 903 views | max936 |
| Crowd on 21:15 - Feb 3 by vetchonian |
they didn't truly understand the situation....relegation brought a different situation with reduced income....and those words about next level etc came from the mouth of Huw Jenkins not Jason and Steve.
They got sold a pup by the sellouts who wanted desperately to cash in....they would have sole to the Moores lot had the Trust not intervened which is why when Jase and Steve turned up they kept the Trust out-of things |
So Swans fans have to suffer for their naivety, if its that bad why haven't they actively sought to sell the club, Kaplan openly said in a self appealing interview on some outlet or other after we were relegated that whatever happened to SCFC wouldn't have any impact on his life.
Obviously conveniently forgetting the 28 or more others who had put money into their fund, there's a reason why he looks as arrogant and as smarmy as he does.
You need to look through the fascade that him and Levien give off. [Post edited 3 Feb 21:37]
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| Crowd on 21:36 - Feb 3 with 893 views | vetchonian |
| Crowd on 21:30 - Feb 3 by max936 |
So Swans fans have to suffer for their naivety, if its that bad why haven't they actively sought to sell the club, Kaplan openly said in a self appealing interview on some outlet or other after we were relegated that whatever happened to SCFC wouldn't have any impact on his life.
Obviously conveniently forgetting the 28 or more others who had put money into their fund, there's a reason why he looks as arrogant and as smarmy as he does.
You need to look through the fascade that him and Levien give off. [Post edited 3 Feb 21:37]
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there you have it he doesn't gave the emotional attachment to the club as we fans do...hence his decisions are purely made on business thought
There were "rumours " during the last fee seasons we were up for sale but there haven't been any takers....well not at the asking price | |
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| Crowd on 21:52 - Feb 3 with 880 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Crowd on 17:49 - Feb 3 by Chippy69 |
Bollocks they have taken way more than put in
Love people who just wait for the car crash to happen
The alleged Phantom 20 million should cover a few bills |
How have they taken money out. |  | | |
| Crowd on 22:09 - Feb 3 with 858 views | Chippy69 |
| Crowd on 21:52 - Feb 3 by Treforys_Jack |
How have they taken money out. |
So where s. All the money gone from player sales
Parachute payments etc
We knew they were honest as the day was long, when they quite easily tucked the trust up
Without letting them know
That bastard Jenkins and co done the deal under the table
And the yanks were only to happy to go along
Nice people | |
| They make us feel indebted
For saving us from hell
And then they put us through it
It's time the bastards fell
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| Crowd on 22:20 - Feb 3 with 840 views | max936 |
| Crowd on 22:09 - Feb 3 by Chippy69 |
So where s. All the money gone from player sales
Parachute payments etc
We knew they were honest as the day was long, when they quite easily tucked the trust up
Without letting them know
That bastard Jenkins and co done the deal under the table
And the yanks were only to happy to go along
Nice people |
Got a couple of nice supporters on here to, | |
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| Crowd on 22:32 - Feb 3 with 823 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Crowd on 22:09 - Feb 3 by Chippy69 |
So where s. All the money gone from player sales
Parachute payments etc
We knew they were honest as the day was long, when they quite easily tucked the trust up
Without letting them know
That bastard Jenkins and co done the deal under the table
And the yanks were only to happy to go along
Nice people |
Yes, but how have they taken money out, which is what your accusing them of. They've made some very poor decisions but don't think they've taken cash out. The club just like most Championship clubs run at a substantial financial loss every month. That's where the money goes. | | | |
| Crowd on 22:49 - Feb 3 with 811 views | lifelong |
I thought there was a decent attendance today. [Post edited 3 Feb 22:49]
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| Crowd on 22:53 - Feb 3 with 803 views | builthjack |
| Crowd on 22:49 - Feb 3 by lifelong |
I thought there was a decent attendance today. [Post edited 3 Feb 22:49]
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17,000. Not too shabby. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Crowd on 22:54 - Feb 3 with 801 views | Chippy69 |
| Crowd on 22:32 - Feb 3 by Treforys_Jack |
Yes, but how have they taken money out, which is what your accusing them of. They've made some very poor decisions but don't think they've taken cash out. The club just like most Championship clubs run at a substantial financial loss every month. That's where the money goes. |
Piore 15 mill
We had two outstanding transfer windows in the summer and winter
Loan loan loan and shit permanent
They don’t give a feck
What other football club as a chairman who knows nothing about football
If your happy with them all the best
Me I hate them | |
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For saving us from hell
And then they put us through it
It's time the bastards fell
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| Crowd on 22:59 - Feb 3 with 790 views | Chippy69 |
| Crowd on 22:53 - Feb 3 by builthjack |
17,000. Not too shabby. |
They must come dressed as seats
Don’t the count the season tickets if your there or not | |
| They make us feel indebted
For saving us from hell
And then they put us through it
It's time the bastards fell
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| Crowd on 23:08 - Feb 3 with 771 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Crowd on 20:40 - Feb 3 by Whiterockin |
The supporters didn't ask the current owners to buy the club. They took a punt and hoped to make money. Mostly through poor management on their part they have failed. They now have two choices, either try and find another buyer and take a massive hit or chase their losses and hope it turns around. Either way it's not the supporters problem. |
The Trust have been so useless that fans actually have forgotten the fans owned 21% of the club and failed to sell a single share in the good days. Everyone else did. They still own around 10% of the club.
It is the supporters problem because they are 10% owners. Worth £21 min 2016. No one want to apologise for missing the boat I blame the members.
Levien and Kaplan are on a huge winner with DC if they sell up. Losses on Swansea will reduce their tax bill presumably. Watch what is happening at DCU. When the sell that they will sell Swansea at a guess. |  |
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| Crowd on 23:16 - Feb 3 with 762 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Crowd on 23:08 - Feb 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Trust have been so useless that fans actually have forgotten the fans owned 21% of the club and failed to sell a single share in the good days. Everyone else did. They still own around 10% of the club.
It is the supporters problem because they are 10% owners. Worth £21 min 2016. No one want to apologise for missing the boat I blame the members.
Levien and Kaplan are on a huge winner with DC if they sell up. Losses on Swansea will reduce their tax bill presumably. Watch what is happening at DCU. When the sell that they will sell Swansea at a guess. |
Then we can look out | | | |
| Crowd on 23:18 - Feb 3 with 760 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Crowd on 22:54 - Feb 3 by Chippy69 |
Piore 15 mill
We had two outstanding transfer windows in the summer and winter
Loan loan loan and shit permanent
They don’t give a feck
What other football club as a chairman who knows nothing about football
If your happy with them all the best
Me I hate them |
Didn't say I was happy with them but we could be far worse off believe it or not. How many fans out there of all the clubs are actually happy with their owners. Very few I'd wager. | | | |
| Crowd on 23:23 - Feb 3 with 758 views | BillyChong |
| Crowd on 23:08 - Feb 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Trust have been so useless that fans actually have forgotten the fans owned 21% of the club and failed to sell a single share in the good days. Everyone else did. They still own around 10% of the club.
It is the supporters problem because they are 10% owners. Worth £21 min 2016. No one want to apologise for missing the boat I blame the members.
Levien and Kaplan are on a huge winner with DC if they sell up. Losses on Swansea will reduce their tax bill presumably. Watch what is happening at DCU. When the sell that they will sell Swansea at a guess. |
2016 - pointless. Trust kept out of the sale. Shareholders agreement broken by the sellouts.
DC United - far more active in this window than this side of the pond. Paying Benteke £60-£70k per week whilst scrimping on loans/freebies over here. In no way whatsoever does that suggest we’d benefit from a DC United sale. | | | |
| Crowd on 00:03 - Feb 4 with 724 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Crowd on 23:23 - Feb 3 by BillyChong |
2016 - pointless. Trust kept out of the sale. Shareholders agreement broken by the sellouts.
DC United - far more active in this window than this side of the pond. Paying Benteke £60-£70k per week whilst scrimping on loans/freebies over here. In no way whatsoever does that suggest we’d benefit from a DC United sale. |
Levien and Kaplan would make a $400m+ capital gain selling off DCU. There will be a huge tax bill on this. I am not up on US tax law but lets assume it is 25%. (probably more) leading to a $100 tax bill.
Using quality accountant the can write off their $100m investment in Swansea as a loss and hand it over to Mr Morris and Mr Silverstein and end up paying no tax.
It is obviously complex and out of my league. In the mean time they want the club to cut the losses and stay in the Championship. | |
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| Crowd on 07:16 - Feb 4 with 654 views | jack247 |
| Crowd on 22:59 - Feb 3 by Chippy69 |
They must come dressed as seats
Don’t the count the season tickets if your there or not |
Plymouth brought a lot. That would have been a poor crowd if they hadn’t.
I find it really weird when people don’t go and then criticise the attendance mind. | | | |
| Crowd on 09:11 - Feb 4 with 613 views | Chippy69 |
| Crowd on 07:16 - Feb 4 by jack247 |
Plymouth brought a lot. That would have been a poor crowd if they hadn’t.
I find it really weird when people don’t go and then criticise the attendance mind. |
They won’t get a penny off me mate | |
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For saving us from hell
And then they put us through it
It's time the bastards fell
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| Crowd on 09:31 - Feb 4 with 582 views | bennytheblue |
| Crowd on 21:04 - Feb 3 by vetchonian |
so let's not knock those who do
I've often wished I could win £140m ish on the Euromillions then I could buy the club...but I recognise football clubs are money pits....shame that others don't see this but continue to criticise our owners....by the way our previous owners bought players with a view to capitalising on them too..its what help fund us on PL times... |
140 million would get you nowhere these days….. |  | | |
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