| The Mysterious 8. 08:43 - Sep 7 with 7164 views | LoftusR |
In another thread the topic has turned to what players the development team has produced suitable for the first team.
This has been an argument since Warburton and one of the mitigation points Ferdinand offered was that (around) eight players had been whisked away by Premier League/ Cat A teams.
Does anyone know who any of these players are which teams they went to and most importantly what are they doing now? Have we really missed out on eight super stars or have they all drifted away to lower leagues or sat in U23 teams?
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| The Mysterious 8. on 08:48 - Sep 7 with 5638 views | enfieldargh |
Harvey Elliott to Liverpool
We picked him up from Fulham
Thats one that defo got whisked away to our detrement |  |
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| The Mysterious 8. on 08:52 - Sep 7 with 5632 views | Blue_Castello |
To be honest I thought Les was quoted as saying it was more than 8 more like 13 and that we got in total £750,000 in compensation, the only name I've seen quoted is Harvey Elliott, probably because of his success, he started with us but was snapped up by Fulham and then obviously went to Liverpool. | | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 09:09 - Sep 7 with 5569 views | daveB |
think there was a keeper who went to Spurs but not sure of the names |  | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 09:17 - Sep 7 with 5540 views | DannyPaddox |
| The Mysterious 8. on 09:09 - Sep 7 by daveB |
think there was a keeper who went to Spurs but not sure of the names |
Luca Gunter? I think he was actually playing for us rather than Spurs in last season’s FA Cup Youth game. And looked decent. |  | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 10:39 - Sep 7 with 5387 views | NW11R |
I believe Nathan Gilchrist is one of them. Is now 19 and started all 4 of Chelsea's U23 games so far this season. Might be one we rue in coming years. | | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 10:47 - Sep 7 with 5359 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
When you look at the amount of league games academy graduates have played over the last 20 years - it tells a pretty interesting story. People forget just how few players actually came through our academy post Richard Langley. we literally only produced Ray Jones in over a decade.
Academy graduates to play at least 10 league games in a season and how many they played:
2004/5 20 - Bean 20
2005/6 15 - Baidoo 15
2006/7 52 - Jones 31, Kanyuka 11, Bailey 10
2007/8 0 -
2008/9 10 - Balanta 10
2009/10 13 - German 13
2010/11 0 -
2011/12 0 -
2012/13 0 -
2013/14 0 -
2014/15 0 -
2015/16 0 -
2016/17 43 - Manning 18, Furlong 14, Shodipo 11
2017/18 70 - Furlong 22, Manning 19, Eze 16, Smyth 13
2018/19 109 - Eze 42, Lumley 42, Furlong 25
2019/20 179 - Eze 46, Chair 41, Manning 41, Lumley 27, Masterson 12, Shodipo 12
2020/21 148- Chair 45, Dieng 42, Kakay 28, Hamalainen 22, Kelman 11
2021/22 80 - Chair 39, Dieng 28, Kakay 13
2022/23 140 - Dieng 46, Chair 40, Armstrong 22, Kakay 21, Shodipo 11
Apologies for being a complete nerd here, but stick that data in a graph and whack a red line in there for when 'Les and his mates' got here and perhaps they're not getting anywhere near the credit they deserve? |  | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 10:58 - Sep 7 with 5311 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The Mysterious 8. on 10:47 - Sep 7 by Padulas_Shampoo |
When you look at the amount of league games academy graduates have played over the last 20 years - it tells a pretty interesting story. People forget just how few players actually came through our academy post Richard Langley. we literally only produced Ray Jones in over a decade.
Academy graduates to play at least 10 league games in a season and how many they played:
2004/5 20 - Bean 20
2005/6 15 - Baidoo 15
2006/7 52 - Jones 31, Kanyuka 11, Bailey 10
2007/8 0 -
2008/9 10 - Balanta 10
2009/10 13 - German 13
2010/11 0 -
2011/12 0 -
2012/13 0 -
2013/14 0 -
2014/15 0 -
2015/16 0 -
2016/17 43 - Manning 18, Furlong 14, Shodipo 11
2017/18 70 - Furlong 22, Manning 19, Eze 16, Smyth 13
2018/19 109 - Eze 42, Lumley 42, Furlong 25
2019/20 179 - Eze 46, Chair 41, Manning 41, Lumley 27, Masterson 12, Shodipo 12
2020/21 148- Chair 45, Dieng 42, Kakay 28, Hamalainen 22, Kelman 11
2021/22 80 - Chair 39, Dieng 28, Kakay 13
2022/23 140 - Dieng 46, Chair 40, Armstrong 22, Kakay 21, Shodipo 11
Apologies for being a complete nerd here, but stick that data in a graph and whack a red line in there for when 'Les and his mates' got here and perhaps they're not getting anywhere near the credit they deserve? |
Mate that is the most comprehensive summary of the incredible changes we made, and whether you like Ferdinand or not, you can’t argue that it wasn’t a huge turnaround.
Good work. Shall be stealing. |  | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 11:01 - Sep 7 with 5298 views | aston_hoop |
Bradlley Ibrahim at Arsenal is another one I believe poached from us
Edit - Captained their U18s in the FA Youth Cup final last season (they lost) and is now with the U23s I think. [Post edited 7 Sep 2023 11:08]
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| The Mysterious 8. on 11:25 - Sep 7 with 5207 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The Mysterious 8. on 10:47 - Sep 7 by Padulas_Shampoo |
When you look at the amount of league games academy graduates have played over the last 20 years - it tells a pretty interesting story. People forget just how few players actually came through our academy post Richard Langley. we literally only produced Ray Jones in over a decade.
Academy graduates to play at least 10 league games in a season and how many they played:
2004/5 20 - Bean 20
2005/6 15 - Baidoo 15
2006/7 52 - Jones 31, Kanyuka 11, Bailey 10
2007/8 0 -
2008/9 10 - Balanta 10
2009/10 13 - German 13
2010/11 0 -
2011/12 0 -
2012/13 0 -
2013/14 0 -
2014/15 0 -
2015/16 0 -
2016/17 43 - Manning 18, Furlong 14, Shodipo 11
2017/18 70 - Furlong 22, Manning 19, Eze 16, Smyth 13
2018/19 109 - Eze 42, Lumley 42, Furlong 25
2019/20 179 - Eze 46, Chair 41, Manning 41, Lumley 27, Masterson 12, Shodipo 12
2020/21 148- Chair 45, Dieng 42, Kakay 28, Hamalainen 22, Kelman 11
2021/22 80 - Chair 39, Dieng 28, Kakay 13
2022/23 140 - Dieng 46, Chair 40, Armstrong 22, Kakay 21, Shodipo 11
Apologies for being a complete nerd here, but stick that data in a graph and whack a red line in there for when 'Les and his mates' got here and perhaps they're not getting anywhere near the credit they deserve? |
Great work, Padula.
Ramsey and (I think) Ferdinand also stated during the lockdowns on podcasts that we had the second-highest amount of home-produced minutes in the division one season, maybe 19/20. I've no idea if it's accurate or not, but hopefully it's worth mentioning. |  |
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| The Mysterious 8. on 11:52 - Sep 7 with 5136 views | dmm |
| The Mysterious 8. on 10:47 - Sep 7 by Padulas_Shampoo |
When you look at the amount of league games academy graduates have played over the last 20 years - it tells a pretty interesting story. People forget just how few players actually came through our academy post Richard Langley. we literally only produced Ray Jones in over a decade.
Academy graduates to play at least 10 league games in a season and how many they played:
2004/5 20 - Bean 20
2005/6 15 - Baidoo 15
2006/7 52 - Jones 31, Kanyuka 11, Bailey 10
2007/8 0 -
2008/9 10 - Balanta 10
2009/10 13 - German 13
2010/11 0 -
2011/12 0 -
2012/13 0 -
2013/14 0 -
2014/15 0 -
2015/16 0 -
2016/17 43 - Manning 18, Furlong 14, Shodipo 11
2017/18 70 - Furlong 22, Manning 19, Eze 16, Smyth 13
2018/19 109 - Eze 42, Lumley 42, Furlong 25
2019/20 179 - Eze 46, Chair 41, Manning 41, Lumley 27, Masterson 12, Shodipo 12
2020/21 148- Chair 45, Dieng 42, Kakay 28, Hamalainen 22, Kelman 11
2021/22 80 - Chair 39, Dieng 28, Kakay 13
2022/23 140 - Dieng 46, Chair 40, Armstrong 22, Kakay 21, Shodipo 11
Apologies for being a complete nerd here, but stick that data in a graph and whack a red line in there for when 'Les and his mates' got here and perhaps they're not getting anywhere near the credit they deserve? |
Did you research and create this yourself? It really is excellent and I echo Bazza and Brian's compliments. Thank you for doing it. |  | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 12:01 - Sep 7 with 5109 views | derbyhoop |
| The Mysterious 8. on 09:17 - Sep 7 by DannyPaddox |
Luca Gunter? I think he was actually playing for us rather than Spurs in last season’s FA Cup Youth game. And looked decent. |
No. He was playing for Spurs.
Can't be any good as our U18s put 3 past him over 120 minutes. |  |
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| The Mysterious 8. on 12:05 - Sep 7 with 5083 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| The Mysterious 8. on 11:52 - Sep 7 by dmm |
Did you research and create this yourself? It really is excellent and I echo Bazza and Brian's compliments. Thank you for doing it. |
Yes mate - I'm a data analyst by trade and the thread got me thinking about just how pitiful our academy had been prior to the most recent Prem relegation. Turns out the data backed that feeling up.
There's obviously subjective elements to the reasons for the upward trend and the quality of play in those spiked seasons. But irrespective of that I don't think it can be argued that our academy hasn't been used a LOT more over the last 5 years or so than at any point this century. Nor that before Les came in the academy had been pretty much a complete throw-away other than Ray Jones, God love him.
Could also be worth pointing out that the academy was used under Holloway the first time round albeit sparingly, then went quite literally missing for 10 years and only started being used again in any form in 2016... under Ian Holloway. [Post edited 7 Sep 2023 12:37]
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| The Mysterious 8. on 12:11 - Sep 7 with 5036 views | DannyPaddox |
| The Mysterious 8. on 12:01 - Sep 7 by derbyhoop |
No. He was playing for Spurs.
Can't be any good as our U18s put 3 past him over 120 minutes. |
But keeper Gunter was originally QPR.
Kolli, Petrie, Teddy Lawrence, & others were on top form that night. A great win and not down to the keeper. Battered by Fulham in the next round. I was there and can’t remember how many Fulham scored in the end to our nil - four or five. | | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 12:47 - Sep 7 with 4939 views | derbyhoop |
| The Mysterious 8. on 12:11 - Sep 7 by DannyPaddox |
But keeper Gunter was originally QPR.
Kolli, Petrie, Teddy Lawrence, & others were on top form that night. A great win and not down to the keeper. Battered by Fulham in the next round. I was there and can’t remember how many Fulham scored in the end to our nil - four or five. |
I thought that we lost to Luton the next round after beating Spurs.
Comment about Gunter was tongue in cheek. | |
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| The Mysterious 8. on 12:53 - Sep 7 with 4910 views | Hoopsie |
Raheem Sterling? |  |
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| The Mysterious 8. on 12:58 - Sep 7 with 4879 views | DannyPaddox |
| The Mysterious 8. on 12:47 - Sep 7 by derbyhoop |
I thought that we lost to Luton the next round after beating Spurs.
Comment about Gunter was tongue in cheek. |
You’re right again we did lose to Luton in the next round. My memory is shot. The game I saw at Motspur Park was something called the Premier League Cup and it ended 5-0 to Fulham. Interesting we haven’t entered that competition this year but we have entered the London Senior Cup. Could be that it’s deemed more worthwhile and better preparation for the real thing playing against non-League first teams than other professional teams U21 sides. | | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 13:21 - Sep 7 with 4812 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Whether it’s delivered for us or not (it has) it’s the only moral and sustainable way to run a football club anyway.
I expect by the end of Ainsworth’s tenure those bars will be even higher. | | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 13:33 - Sep 7 with 4769 views | eastside_r |
| The Mysterious 8. on 10:47 - Sep 7 by Padulas_Shampoo |
When you look at the amount of league games academy graduates have played over the last 20 years - it tells a pretty interesting story. People forget just how few players actually came through our academy post Richard Langley. we literally only produced Ray Jones in over a decade.
Academy graduates to play at least 10 league games in a season and how many they played:
2004/5 20 - Bean 20
2005/6 15 - Baidoo 15
2006/7 52 - Jones 31, Kanyuka 11, Bailey 10
2007/8 0 -
2008/9 10 - Balanta 10
2009/10 13 - German 13
2010/11 0 -
2011/12 0 -
2012/13 0 -
2013/14 0 -
2014/15 0 -
2015/16 0 -
2016/17 43 - Manning 18, Furlong 14, Shodipo 11
2017/18 70 - Furlong 22, Manning 19, Eze 16, Smyth 13
2018/19 109 - Eze 42, Lumley 42, Furlong 25
2019/20 179 - Eze 46, Chair 41, Manning 41, Lumley 27, Masterson 12, Shodipo 12
2020/21 148- Chair 45, Dieng 42, Kakay 28, Hamalainen 22, Kelman 11
2021/22 80 - Chair 39, Dieng 28, Kakay 13
2022/23 140 - Dieng 46, Chair 40, Armstrong 22, Kakay 21, Shodipo 11
Apologies for being a complete nerd here, but stick that data in a graph and whack a red line in there for when 'Les and his mates' got here and perhaps they're not getting anywhere near the credit they deserve? |
Perhaps too many people on here were too quick to swallow the Warburton narrative. |  | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 13:39 - Sep 7 with 4742 views | Landshark |
| The Mysterious 8. on 10:47 - Sep 7 by Padulas_Shampoo |
When you look at the amount of league games academy graduates have played over the last 20 years - it tells a pretty interesting story. People forget just how few players actually came through our academy post Richard Langley. we literally only produced Ray Jones in over a decade.
Academy graduates to play at least 10 league games in a season and how many they played:
2004/5 20 - Bean 20
2005/6 15 - Baidoo 15
2006/7 52 - Jones 31, Kanyuka 11, Bailey 10
2007/8 0 -
2008/9 10 - Balanta 10
2009/10 13 - German 13
2010/11 0 -
2011/12 0 -
2012/13 0 -
2013/14 0 -
2014/15 0 -
2015/16 0 -
2016/17 43 - Manning 18, Furlong 14, Shodipo 11
2017/18 70 - Furlong 22, Manning 19, Eze 16, Smyth 13
2018/19 109 - Eze 42, Lumley 42, Furlong 25
2019/20 179 - Eze 46, Chair 41, Manning 41, Lumley 27, Masterson 12, Shodipo 12
2020/21 148- Chair 45, Dieng 42, Kakay 28, Hamalainen 22, Kelman 11
2021/22 80 - Chair 39, Dieng 28, Kakay 13
2022/23 140 - Dieng 46, Chair 40, Armstrong 22, Kakay 21, Shodipo 11
Apologies for being a complete nerd here, but stick that data in a graph and whack a red line in there for when 'Les and his mates' got here and perhaps they're not getting anywhere near the credit they deserve? |
Great stats but personally I wouldn't include the likes of Dieng (21 when arrived), Chair (19 when arrived), Manning (19 when arrived), Kelman (18 when arrived). All had made senior appearances before joining QPR. I feel they are the products of other academies that we picked up through our scouting network rather than us producing them. | | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 14:22 - Sep 7 with 4643 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| The Mysterious 8. on 13:39 - Sep 7 by Landshark |
Great stats but personally I wouldn't include the likes of Dieng (21 when arrived), Chair (19 when arrived), Manning (19 when arrived), Kelman (18 when arrived). All had made senior appearances before joining QPR. I feel they are the products of other academies that we picked up through our scouting network rather than us producing them. |
By that logic you'd have to include all those that we've lost from our academy to Cat A clubs, which is impossible as we don't know who they are and they haven't gone on to play for QPR. But you should be including Sterling, Elliott and Bowler in your version of the numbers - that latter two being players which you could argue proves my point even more.
Agree there's a fuzzy line though - I tried to include anyone that I perceived to be initially signed for and played in the development squad, therefore excluding Bright and Jimmy Dunne but including Masterson for example, despite their ages. | | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 14:28 - Sep 7 with 4623 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| The Mysterious 8. on 13:21 - Sep 7 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Whether it’s delivered for us or not (it has) it’s the only moral and sustainable way to run a football club anyway.
I expect by the end of Ainsworth’s tenure those bars will be even higher. |
We've played 5 games and the number is already 25 - higher than every pre-Les season bar the one outlying Ray Jones season. After 5 bloody games.
This season could easily be 150+ and if Duke McKenna, Kolli and Dixon-Bonner keep getting appearances it could be the highest of the lot. | | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 14:47 - Sep 7 with 4569 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The Mysterious 8. on 14:28 - Sep 7 by Padulas_Shampoo |
We've played 5 games and the number is already 25 - higher than every pre-Les season bar the one outlying Ray Jones season. After 5 bloody games.
This season could easily be 150+ and if Duke McKenna, Kolli and Dixon-Bonner keep getting appearances it could be the highest of the lot. |
This info will nourish me when Rotherham and Plymouth are banging us up the shitter.
Moral champions at least 😆
We should make a Robith style line tracker of young player appearances. [Post edited 7 Sep 2023 14:48]
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| The Mysterious 8. on 14:51 - Sep 7 with 4552 views | Match82 |
| The Mysterious 8. on 14:47 - Sep 7 by BazzaInTheLoft |
This info will nourish me when Rotherham and Plymouth are banging us up the shitter.
Moral champions at least 😆
We should make a Robith style line tracker of young player appearances. [Post edited 7 Sep 2023 14:48]
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Only moral champions due to our own inept history I think. Love the trend on that graph but I have a feeling if you stacked our total numbers for the last decade against pretty much any other club in our division we'd be below them |  | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 14:58 - Sep 7 with 4520 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The Mysterious 8. on 14:51 - Sep 7 by Match82 |
Only moral champions due to our own inept history I think. Love the trend on that graph but I have a feeling if you stacked our total numbers for the last decade against pretty much any other club in our division we'd be below them |
Easy to find out I guess.
One for the tracker graph.
Nevertheless a positive in a season short of them. | | | |
| The Mysterious 8. on 15:28 - Sep 7 with 4444 views | ngbqpr |
| The Mysterious 8. on 13:39 - Sep 7 by Landshark |
Great stats but personally I wouldn't include the likes of Dieng (21 when arrived), Chair (19 when arrived), Manning (19 when arrived), Kelman (18 when arrived). All had made senior appearances before joining QPR. I feel they are the products of other academies that we picked up through our scouting network rather than us producing them. |
Kelman aside, I'd argue they're two sides of the same coin when it comes to The Plan.
If they've been with us since they were nippers, like Furlong and Lumley. great. If we took a chance on teenagers when others didn't (Eze) or found promising youngsters in unlikely and / or under-scouted places (Armstrong, Manning, Chair) - also great.
All means to the same end. |  |
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