| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home 18:49 - Oct 2 with 20307 views | 442Dale |
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:01 - Oct 2 with 2570 views | 442Dale |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 22:57 - Oct 2 by sweetcorn |
The sending off actually made us better i thought in the second half and thats because we went more direct, moving the ball forward and looking to create chances, whereas with 11 in the first half we reminded me of van gaals uniteds team, lots of possession and keeping the ball in midfield and defence with very little intent to get us forward, its not particulary entertaining to watch and it certainly isn’t yielding the points.
Sam hart is a great attacking outlet down that left hand side and i’m more than impressed after seeing him tonight.
How cannon isn’t starting games for us really is baffling to me, he should he in this side most games.
The mystery of zach clough continues, if ever there was a time to bring him on it was when Gillam retired off hurt, instead he went with williams (who i didn’t think was too bad tbh, but of course people will want to lynch him, as thats the in thing to do at the minute) Think we’re better off sending him back if we aren’t going to bother playing the lad. |
Agree entirely with that last statement. We have more than enough players of our own who play in the area he does, if he doesn’t play why have him here? | |
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:06 - Oct 2 with 2538 views | SuddenLad |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 22:56 - Oct 2 by rochdaleriddler |
I thought we were poor, they had some really good chances thanks to our poor defending. Rathbone and Perkins frequently gave the ball away. Things improved when calamity Jim went off, but the team didn’t seem up for it, and the piss poor crowd was very quiet. I was feeling bored, although I did stay to the end for the second time this season |
Do you just cut and paste your comments from match to match, changing a couple of names at the same time ?? |  |
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:09 - Oct 2 with 2511 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 22:33 - Oct 2 by dawlishdale |
How come you are always so quick to snap at YD's posts? |
Yeah,get out of my orbit....Snapper! |  | | |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:12 - Oct 2 with 2478 views | kel |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:06 - Oct 2 by SuddenLad |
Do you just cut and paste your comments from match to match, changing a couple of names at the same time ?? |
Says the bloke who goes out of his way to find something to be offended by. You just copy and paste your mock outrage at any current affair and change the names etc to keep your dull mind ticking over. |  | | |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:14 - Oct 2 with 2461 views | rochdale_ranger |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:06 - Oct 2 by SuddenLad |
Do you just cut and paste your comments from match to match, changing a couple of names at the same time ?? |
From match to match we are poor with just a bizarrely different squad of names lined up. So effectively that’s all he has to do. |  | | |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:20 - Oct 2 with 2423 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 22:53 - Oct 2 by 100notout |
Its not being monitored - its just so obvious but I'm sure YD will accept your apologies.
As for Hill coming out with the poor decision making comments - he often does (its never his fault or he's never picked the wrong team). |
Exactly!....... tonight guys,he's blaming the ref for HIS poor decision to send off Norman....... | | | |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:22 - Oct 2 with 2408 views | sweetcorn |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:20 - Oct 2 by Yorkshire_Dale |
Exactly!....... tonight guys,he's blaming the ref for HIS poor decision to send off Norman....... |
The ref did send norman off though, tbf |  |
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:44 - Oct 2 with 2311 views | dingdangblue |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:14 - Oct 2 by rochdale_ranger |
From match to match we are poor with just a bizarrely different squad of names lined up. So effectively that’s all he has to do. |
But we weren't poor tonight. The players did themselves proud - special mention to Hart (superb), Hendo (excellent), MJ Williams (his best game for me) - And we moved up 2 places to 15th !!! |  |
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:47 - Oct 2 with 2288 views | rochdale_ranger |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:44 - Oct 2 by dingdangblue |
But we weren't poor tonight. The players did themselves proud - special mention to Hart (superb), Hendo (excellent), MJ Williams (his best game for me) - And we moved up 2 places to 15th !!! |
I’ll say one thing for you dingdang. You sure are positive. | | | |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:48 - Oct 2 with 2283 views | D_Alien |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:47 - Oct 2 by rochdale_ranger |
I’ll say one thing for you dingdang. You sure are positive. |
And on this occasion, right |  |
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:50 - Oct 2 with 2270 views | rochdale_ranger |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:48 - Oct 2 by D_Alien |
And on this occasion, right |
Just this occasion? | | | |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 00:20 - Oct 3 with 2194 views | Daley_Lama |
Brilliant 2nd half effort, well done on each and every player involved.
Brizzle were better first half than second, Dale vice versa.
Both keepers made absolutely fantastic individual saves. Can’t comment on the sending off, too far away to give a fair judgement.
2 points extra Brizzle should have got, their lack of ambition was puzzling (slow walk off when subbed)
Fair result overall and more credit to our lot than their lot. |  |
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 00:26 - Oct 3 with 2185 views | Sandyman |
Norman and McNulty shouldn't have started in the first place. Jim is a liability and Josh has done precious little wrong. From where I was stood, McNulty fluffed yet another defensive situation (one of several in the first half), and Norman came over to rescue it and fecked it up. Red card IMHO.
These increasingly bizarre and ever-changing team and tactical selections Hill is making are becoming (sorry for this) Eyre-esque in their desperation. We have some great players here, who are good in their positions. 30% increase in the players budget has made that happen. Why aren't they played regularly where they should be, with a decent tactical plan instead of the "square peg in a round hole and hope it works out" daftness Hill is coming out with? I don't get it at all. We've beaten better teams with worse players under KH's charge because we were organised, determined and knew what was required - executing good game plans well. Is it managerial laziness, disinterest, CBA cos of a long contract or what that has taken the best of RAFC away? It needs addressing.
Where has the "No Fear" team mentality gone? The better players put a shift in, but we seem to have lost the team on the pitch ethic that served us so well. That's down to the manager. Seems like Accy's "best ever manager" can still cut the mustard with his lesser-budget team. Our "best ever manager" can't and seems to have lost the plot far too often over this season and last.
It would be so wrong to go back to the "bad old days" in L2 from where we are now. RAFC and its fans do not deserve to lose that. We've done things the right way. KH has more than played his part - past tense. Is he up to it now, present tense?
I wonder. Seems like Jose Mourhino and Baldy Mourinho have the same problems..... |  | | |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 00:42 - Oct 3 with 2166 views | rochdale_ranger |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 00:26 - Oct 3 by Sandyman |
Norman and McNulty shouldn't have started in the first place. Jim is a liability and Josh has done precious little wrong. From where I was stood, McNulty fluffed yet another defensive situation (one of several in the first half), and Norman came over to rescue it and fecked it up. Red card IMHO.
These increasingly bizarre and ever-changing team and tactical selections Hill is making are becoming (sorry for this) Eyre-esque in their desperation. We have some great players here, who are good in their positions. 30% increase in the players budget has made that happen. Why aren't they played regularly where they should be, with a decent tactical plan instead of the "square peg in a round hole and hope it works out" daftness Hill is coming out with? I don't get it at all. We've beaten better teams with worse players under KH's charge because we were organised, determined and knew what was required - executing good game plans well. Is it managerial laziness, disinterest, CBA cos of a long contract or what that has taken the best of RAFC away? It needs addressing.
Where has the "No Fear" team mentality gone? The better players put a shift in, but we seem to have lost the team on the pitch ethic that served us so well. That's down to the manager. Seems like Accy's "best ever manager" can still cut the mustard with his lesser-budget team. Our "best ever manager" can't and seems to have lost the plot far too often over this season and last.
It would be so wrong to go back to the "bad old days" in L2 from where we are now. RAFC and its fans do not deserve to lose that. We've done things the right way. KH has more than played his part - past tense. Is he up to it now, present tense?
I wonder. Seems like Jose Mourhino and Baldy Mourinho have the same problems..... |
Who do you suggest we get in? Keith’s our best manager? Blah blah blah. Both good points actually but they won’t or don’t discredit from the good points you have made. I was saying the same last season. Do I want Hill to go? Probably not. Do I want the old style of play? Yes. I would rather we stand up and show character and bottle then this stale brand of shite and go back to doing it the Keith Hill and the Rochdale way which we were accustomed to under Hill until only recently. | | | |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 01:13 - Oct 3 with 2131 views | Sandyman |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 00:42 - Oct 3 by rochdale_ranger |
Who do you suggest we get in? Keith’s our best manager? Blah blah blah. Both good points actually but they won’t or don’t discredit from the good points you have made. I was saying the same last season. Do I want Hill to go? Probably not. Do I want the old style of play? Yes. I would rather we stand up and show character and bottle then this stale brand of shite and go back to doing it the Keith Hill and the Rochdale way which we were accustomed to under Hill until only recently. |
Can't disagree - I want the Keith Hill of the past, not the Keith Hill of now as you correctly articulate .
An alternative? Back in December 2006 we took on a caretaker manager, ex-player, out of nowhere, and who was never mentioned by anybody as a future RAFC manager. He did a great job for the Dale and got the gig.
There's probably lots of hungry, ambitious potential managers out there now. Same as the lad referred to above was. Would rather he got back on track than get someone else in but if he can't do it or can't be bothered, the club's fortunes come first before any individual. [Post edited 3 Oct 2018 1:15]
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 05:55 - Oct 3 with 2015 views | fitzochris |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 22:17 - Oct 2 by TVOS1907 |
There's no such thing as "last man". That's a phrase invented by the media. |
It’s more convenient a phrase than that he denied a clear goal-scoring opportunity, which I believe Norman didn’t. |  |
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 05:57 - Oct 3 with 2013 views | fitzochris |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 22:33 - Oct 2 by 100notout |
Played well? Really?
Were you at the game? |
I watched the game, yes. Given we had 10 men for all of the second half, we played well, yes. [Post edited 3 Oct 2018 6:00]
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 07:12 - Oct 3 with 1929 views | Swissdale |
Very good team performance in the second half, and a well earned point in the end. Both Lillis and Normal played well, with the latter very unlucky IMO to be sent off. As others have said, Hendo and Hart were good. It seemed we tried to play much more on the ground and down the wings without Andrew and Alby on the pitch, which for 45 minutes allowed us to create numerous chances. Dare I say it? A bit like the Dale of old?
Having said all that, we were very lucky to be in at half time 0-0. Perkins had another poor game and looks to be another one in the Matt Done mould (a former great who’s a shadow of their former self, but will be picking up a sizeable wage). McNulty was poor; I’m not sure Delaney is any better but at least he offer and aerial threat at the other end of the pitch. I’m as baffled as anyone why Cannon and Clough are being kept out of the team.
Anyway, all being fit and proper I’d start the next game as follows...
Lillis
Raff McGahey Delaney Hart
Camps MJW
Clough
Cannon Hendo Inman |  | | |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 07:20 - Oct 3 with 1905 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 05:55 - Oct 3 by fitzochris |
It’s more convenient a phrase than that he denied a clear goal-scoring opportunity, which I believe Norman didn’t. |
Convenient, maybe, but it leads to gross misunderstandings.
Anyway, I doubt the red card was for that, more likely the ferocity and outcome of the challenge.
Let’s see what happens in terms of appeals, length of suspension, etc. [Post edited 3 Oct 2018 7:23]
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 07:48 - Oct 3 with 1851 views | fitzochris |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 07:20 - Oct 3 by TVOS1907 |
Convenient, maybe, but it leads to gross misunderstandings.
Anyway, I doubt the red card was for that, more likely the ferocity and outcome of the challenge.
Let’s see what happens in terms of appeals, length of suspension, etc. [Post edited 3 Oct 2018 7:23]
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I get that it does. I believe the correct consideration is the “location of other players”.
The last man thing has clearly stemmed from a contraction of “X fouled X and was the last man before the goal, thus denying X a clear and obvious goal-scoring opportunity.”
Same as “X clearly handled the ball on the line, thus denying X a clear and obvious goal-scoring opportunity.”
We usually just write “sent off for deliberate handball” rather than reference the denying of a clear goal-scoring opportunity.
It’s contextual laziness, I guess, but I do see how it becomes a neologism with overuse.
And yes, completely agree, it definitely looks like ferocity of Norman’s challenge is the reason he was sent off. | |
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 08:00 - Oct 3 with 1811 views | DaleiLama |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 00:20 - Oct 3 by Daley_Lama |
Brilliant 2nd half effort, well done on each and every player involved.
Brizzle were better first half than second, Dale vice versa.
Both keepers made absolutely fantastic individual saves. Can’t comment on the sending off, too far away to give a fair judgement.
2 points extra Brizzle should have got, their lack of ambition was puzzling (slow walk off when subbed)
Fair result overall and more credit to our lot than their lot. |
Weird that - their number 9 plodded off like someone just finished a marathon but another subbed player sprinted off. |  |
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 08:01 - Oct 3 with 1805 views | EllDale |
Some personal thoughts now that the dust has settled:
It was strange to see that in a game which saw 35 shots on target no-one managed to score.
At least we got into shooting positions which hasn't always been the case in the last 18 months at home.
Like most other people on here I much prefer the old gung-ho approach rather than the cautious build-up but that's how the modern game is these days.
Does 3-5-2 encourage this possession style football rather than 4-4-2?
I think that Rafferty is struggling to deliver the ball from those wide positions. If Randall were fit I suspect that he would be playing.
I'd love to see Cannon, Rathbone and Perkins together in midfield, there would be plenty of energy and effort there.
And we need to see more of Clough instead of Gillam, the latter is one for the future. | | | |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 08:15 - Oct 3 with 1767 views | DaleiLama |
All in all not a bad 0-0 for me. Got away with a few at the back but had some really good chances to get three points. I thought we edged it over 90 minutes but a point is a point and it wasn't through lack of effort we didn't win. Some good individual performances as alluded to already but we are not yet a team and the ever-changing line-ups must contribute to this. Without the target man we reverted back to playing it on the ground and look more like the old Dale doing so. Interesting to see how that performance affects team selection and tactics for Saturday now. The boost we would get from a win is much needed by all. | |
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 09:28 - Oct 3 with 1618 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 23:06 - Oct 2 by SuddenLad |
Do you just cut and paste your comments from match to match, changing a couple of names at the same time ?? |
No but I could, because the same errors crop up at every game. I’ve not said I was bored at any game previously this season, and if you think Perkins and rathbone didn’t give the ball away frequently I guess we watched different games. Anyway just have a go at me if it makes you feel better |  |
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| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 10:34 - Oct 3 with 1537 views | tony_roch975 |
| Match thread: Bristol Rovers home on 07:12 - Oct 3 by Swissdale |
Very good team performance in the second half, and a well earned point in the end. Both Lillis and Normal played well, with the latter very unlucky IMO to be sent off. As others have said, Hendo and Hart were good. It seemed we tried to play much more on the ground and down the wings without Andrew and Alby on the pitch, which for 45 minutes allowed us to create numerous chances. Dare I say it? A bit like the Dale of old?
Having said all that, we were very lucky to be in at half time 0-0. Perkins had another poor game and looks to be another one in the Matt Done mould (a former great who’s a shadow of their former self, but will be picking up a sizeable wage). McNulty was poor; I’m not sure Delaney is any better but at least he offer and aerial threat at the other end of the pitch. I’m as baffled as anyone why Cannon and Clough are being kept out of the team.
Anyway, all being fit and proper I’d start the next game as follows...
Lillis
Raff McGahey Delaney Hart
Camps MJW
Clough
Cannon Hendo Inman |
agree we played more on the ground and (in the 2nd half) running at the opposition with pace, more reminiscent of previous Dale teams (tho 2 big men worked against Gills); also agree about Perkins (& Jim's ok in middle of back 3 but struggles in a back 4) and Cannon should start but surely Rathbone's performance also deserves a place (and Jordan Williams is now looking more consistently effective) | |
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