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As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 20:31 - Aug 5 by vetchonian
Well seeing as you are so often spouting it you are able to recognise it. But you cannot overlook the state the squad was in when Clem arrived we hadn't put out a consistent t 11 since I don't know when , can you honestly say that in January we as fans knew what was our best centre back pairing.....there were enough threads on here about that....Bradly has brought the squad to its knees and swapped and changed this.....our success since Roberto has been that we had a settled core of a squad .......look historically at successful teams ....Liverpool in the 80s, Manu through the Fergie years ...all teams with a core of settled players that each season and something different added. During Bobs reign there was no stability or consistency of selection allowing partnerships or relationships to develop and the squad was lacking in confidence which this type of football needs......so sorry for the shit open your eyes One swallow doesn't make a summer.......lets. See where we are after 10 to 12 games before shouting shit from the rooftops yourself.
[Post edited 5 Aug 2017 20:43]
Look.
We were 1 player different today to last season.
1 player.
Ww brought in Carroll, Ayew and Olsson. They brought the football back. Simple.
Understand so far?
If Siggy and Llorente had gone and lets say we'd have got £30m to £40m at the time.
Would it have been beyond the realms of possibility we could have found a mobile striker (like I'd been banging on about since August 2016??
Really, now would it?
Let me answer that for you. It wouldn't.
And teams adapt quick to good players around them with good feet and zip. A confident, settled side would have emerged and we wouldn't have had to put up with the rugby shit of Siggy and Llorente past February.
Be honest with yourself....
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As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 20:51 - Aug 5 by STID2017
You are unreal.
As Llorente and Siggy didn't play today, then surely Mesa and Abraham have replaced them ATM ?
So by my reckoning Tammy isn't the only player different from last season To quote you "you are as thick as a length of 2 x 2 "
What an absolute plum you are. Seriously, did you go to school?
Mesa came on, what? 60 minutes? That probably suggests Clement sees Leon ahead of him right now, so that's a little sideshow argument you can vvank yourself off with all night for all I care.
The team, from last season, was enhanced by 1 (one - vide printer style) - A mobile striker.
1 player!!!
ONE
UNA!!!
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I am the resurrection and i am the light. I couldn’t ever bring myself to hate you as i’d like
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 21:02 - Aug 5 by TheResurrection
What an absolute plum you are. Seriously, did you go to school?
Mesa came on, what? 60 minutes? That probably suggests Clement sees Leon ahead of him right now, so that's a little sideshow argument you can vvank yourself off with all night for all I care.
The team, from last season, was enhanced by 1 (one - vide printer style) - A mobile striker.
1 player!!!
ONE
UNA!!!
A team refreshed form a summer break, a team which finished the season on ah in having experienced winning and climbing form the bottom of the league and looking like definite relegation fodder to finishing 15th not one which didn't know which 11 would be playing next game,lacking confidence and not used to winning ......it's not just about Tammy you really can't see it cN you It's not a game of football manager......ask Clem if he would have tried to play this tyle of football when he arrived ........
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 20:16 - Aug 5 by MoscowJack
Tammy offered pace, trickery and mobility that Llorente doesn't. It forced them to play on the back foot.
Routs was quick, running between lines and linking up with everyone around him. He had one of his better games of late.
Ayew was full of tricks, quick and hard-working. It didn't always work out for him but he kept going.
If we change Routs for a Boudebouz or Viera, I'll be excited. Probably very excited.
Mesa disappointed. He looked overweight (but probably/hopefully isn't) but was definitely well off the pace. When he started pointing at others, it brought back bad memories!
Fer was my MotM.....awesome from start to finish.
I thought Mesa looked like he was carrying a bit of weight aswell. Maybe just the stocky body shape.
He didn't disappoint me though, thought he looked neat and tidy. As he looks to have been brought in to replace Leon, I think he's a shoe in to be next season's escape goat already.
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 20:58 - Aug 5 by TheResurrection
Look.
We were 1 player different today to last season.
1 player.
Ww brought in Carroll, Ayew and Olsson. They brought the football back. Simple.
Understand so far?
If Siggy and Llorente had gone and lets say we'd have got £30m to £40m at the time.
Would it have been beyond the realms of possibility we could have found a mobile striker (like I'd been banging on about since August 2016??
Really, now would it?
Let me answer that for you. It wouldn't.
And teams adapt quick to good players around them with good feet and zip. A confident, settled side would have emerged and we wouldn't have had to put up with the rugby shit of Siggy and Llorente past February.
Be honest with yourself....
But it didn't did it and now we a re in a different place all your talk is conjecture and what if what you are saying would have happened didn't? So stick to your day job ........or allow others also to express their opinions...you have never managed people .....ask Clem how the dressing room was ask him if Tammy had been here in January would he have gone gums Ho. We weren't playing hoof ball under Clem so why keep saying we were One day and one day soon your time will be up
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 21:15 - Aug 5 by 34dfgdf54
I thought Mesa looked like he was carrying a bit of weight aswell. Maybe just the stocky body shape.
He didn't disappoint me though, thought he looked neat and tidy. As he looks to have been brought in to replace Leon, I think he's a shoe in to be next season's escape goat already.
I also thought he was excellent on the ball, but off it he was ball-chasing and pointing, instead of sticking to the shape of the team. He also keeps getting robbed of the ball because he thinks he's got more time - I've noticed it a few times now.
He was often caught 5-10 yards ahead of the space he should have been in, which exposed the back four. Maybe he's got a licence to get forward more than Leon but I doubt it is when we're not in possession.
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 21:21 - Aug 5 by MoscowJack
I also thought he was excellent on the ball, but off it he was ball-chasing and pointing, instead of sticking to the shape of the team. He also keeps getting robbed of the ball because he thinks he's got more time - I've noticed it a few times now.
He was often caught 5-10 yards ahead of the space he should have been in, which exposed the back four. Maybe he's got a licence to get forward more than Leon but I doubt it is when we're not in possession.
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 21:21 - Aug 5 by MoscowJack
I also thought he was excellent on the ball, but off it he was ball-chasing and pointing, instead of sticking to the shape of the team. He also keeps getting robbed of the ball because he thinks he's got more time - I've noticed it a few times now.
He was often caught 5-10 yards ahead of the space he should have been in, which exposed the back four. Maybe he's got a licence to get forward more than Leon but I doubt it is when we're not in possession.
I'm really excited about his potential though.
Very disappointed in Mesa today, he took pointing and doing nothing to a whole new level. Naughton had a crackIng game today whilst Alfie had a mare for the first hour. A mixed bag but a good game to gauge the coming season
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As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 22:38 - Aug 5 with 999 views
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 21:21 - Aug 5 by MoscowJack
I also thought he was excellent on the ball, but off it he was ball-chasing and pointing, instead of sticking to the shape of the team. He also keeps getting robbed of the ball because he thinks he's got more time - I've noticed it a few times now.
He was often caught 5-10 yards ahead of the space he should have been in, which exposed the back four. Maybe he's got a licence to get forward more than Leon but I doubt it is when we're not in possession.
I'm really excited about his potential though.
I said a few weeks ago, I'd ease him into PL football, either by bringing him on for Leon for the first few games, or playing them both and giving Leon the responsibility at the base of the diamond.
He is going to get less time on the ball here, I'm sure he will adapt to it, but doubt he will do it straight away. Speaking the obvious I know, but Spanish football is more deliberate and technical, you have to earn the right to play football more here.
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As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 00:18 - Aug 6 with 924 views
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 20:49 - Aug 5 by TheResurrection
Just admit it. And apologise.
I can take it, I'm a big boy.
Admit what and apologise for what?
When you post sense I can have a sensible conversation with you when you are being silly it gets tedious. I sometimes wonder if you have taken lessons off dimi.
I think that we agree that we were reduced to playing for set pieces last season. It was the manager making the best of a bad hand. You appear to blame the players for that whilst I blame recruitment.
I also think that we agree that we need to go back to playing football and that the players we have brought in are a step in the right direction.
Where we disagree is that you thought we should have sold Sigurdsson and llorente in January and I thought not. As it happens the decision not to sell was a correct decision(not necessarily the only correct decision) Selling them may have also worked out fine but we will never know that.
You think that Sigurdsson could not play in a more football orientated system, I disagree but it is a non-argument as it is and has been almost certain for some time he will leave. From memory you would have taken £30 million for him and I thought he was worth £10 million more. £50 million has left us in a position where we are cutting our nose off to spite our face- is £5 million worth fecking up our pre-season?
I also think that llorente is a bigger issue than Sigurdsson for the change in style but that Sigurdsson needs to leave 1) because he wants to and 2) because it will fund further rebuilding as the reality is that the majority owners are not going to spend their money on the team. Not a bad thing in some ways as we would then be in debt to them.
We are now leaving it late in the window to get in another striker as if Abraham gets injured or can't do it in the premier league, llorente isn't mobile enough for this style and mcburnie is not ready to lead the line in the premier division. So it could be back to last season.
I'm annoyed that we have again let outgoings drag on too long. Uxbridge has said that he doesn't think that the August 1 theory is correct- fair enough but we are in danger of a slow start by having a weak squad and having to bring in players who have not had a pre- season with us or, even worse, not strengthening the squad because we couldn't get deals done.
Strangely enough I am more hopeful about this season than this time last year.
By the way I'm not interested in the size of your dick, just get back to posting sensible stuff.
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As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 08:18 - Aug 6 with 840 views
I think most of us agree that Tammy looks like he brings a lot more to our all-round game than Llorente. He's still raw and needs more time at the top level to get a little more calmness into his finishing, but that's to be expected from a kid his age. It's why Chelsea are charging us a fortune to give him this experience.
If Llorente was 100% fit, I think I'd still go for Tammy against Southampton. Apart from the fact their centre halves are their weakest link, I think we become far less predictable. Especially with Ayew's skill and tricks added to the equation.
We're a few players show of a really decent team but at least the signs were positive yesterday.
Ps only a mad man or genius would have sold Gylfi and Llorente in January. Both were probably accountable for about 80% of our goals so taking that away from the team would have been far too big a risk. I'm not saying I don't understand the reasoning, but the only way I would have done it is if you were able to offer me proven players at this level in return.....for example, a hungry Bony and a fit Michu. Even then, it would have probably been safer to accept what you've got and get the best out of it, which is what PC did very well.
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 20:58 - Aug 5 by TheResurrection
Look.
We were 1 player different today to last season.
1 player.
Ww brought in Carroll, Ayew and Olsson. They brought the football back. Simple.
Understand so far?
If Siggy and Llorente had gone and lets say we'd have got £30m to £40m at the time.
Would it have been beyond the realms of possibility we could have found a mobile striker (like I'd been banging on about since August 2016??
Really, now would it?
Let me answer that for you. It wouldn't.
And teams adapt quick to good players around them with good feet and zip. A confident, settled side would have emerged and we wouldn't have had to put up with the rugby shit of Siggy and Llorente past February.
Be honest with yourself....
Swans V Burnley Just one example of a Llorente / Gylfi inspired win, where all the goals (and various other opportunities) were created through excellent football, not "hoofball or rugby" . However, you just carry on believing what you want, even when the evidence is staring you in the face
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 00:18 - Aug 6 by dobjack2
Admit what and apologise for what?
When you post sense I can have a sensible conversation with you when you are being silly it gets tedious. I sometimes wonder if you have taken lessons off dimi.
I think that we agree that we were reduced to playing for set pieces last season. It was the manager making the best of a bad hand. You appear to blame the players for that whilst I blame recruitment.
I also think that we agree that we need to go back to playing football and that the players we have brought in are a step in the right direction.
Where we disagree is that you thought we should have sold Sigurdsson and llorente in January and I thought not. As it happens the decision not to sell was a correct decision(not necessarily the only correct decision) Selling them may have also worked out fine but we will never know that.
You think that Sigurdsson could not play in a more football orientated system, I disagree but it is a non-argument as it is and has been almost certain for some time he will leave. From memory you would have taken £30 million for him and I thought he was worth £10 million more. £50 million has left us in a position where we are cutting our nose off to spite our face- is £5 million worth fecking up our pre-season?
I also think that llorente is a bigger issue than Sigurdsson for the change in style but that Sigurdsson needs to leave 1) because he wants to and 2) because it will fund further rebuilding as the reality is that the majority owners are not going to spend their money on the team. Not a bad thing in some ways as we would then be in debt to them.
We are now leaving it late in the window to get in another striker as if Abraham gets injured or can't do it in the premier league, llorente isn't mobile enough for this style and mcburnie is not ready to lead the line in the premier division. So it could be back to last season.
I'm annoyed that we have again let outgoings drag on too long. Uxbridge has said that he doesn't think that the August 1 theory is correct- fair enough but we are in danger of a slow start by having a weak squad and having to bring in players who have not had a pre- season with us or, even worse, not strengthening the squad because we couldn't get deals done.
Strangely enough I am more hopeful about this season than this time last year.
By the way I'm not interested in the size of your dick, just get back to posting sensible stuff.
Longest apology ever but accepted.
And for the record, it's 9 inches.
* BOX OFFICE POST ABOVE* TM
I am the resurrection and i am the light. I couldn’t ever bring myself to hate you as i’d like
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 08:18 - Aug 6 by MoscowJack
Good post (above).
I think most of us agree that Tammy looks like he brings a lot more to our all-round game than Llorente. He's still raw and needs more time at the top level to get a little more calmness into his finishing, but that's to be expected from a kid his age. It's why Chelsea are charging us a fortune to give him this experience.
If Llorente was 100% fit, I think I'd still go for Tammy against Southampton. Apart from the fact their centre halves are their weakest link, I think we become far less predictable. Especially with Ayew's skill and tricks added to the equation.
We're a few players show of a really decent team but at least the signs were positive yesterday.
Ps only a mad man or genius would have sold Gylfi and Llorente in January. Both were probably accountable for about 80% of our goals so taking that away from the team would have been far too big a risk. I'm not saying I don't understand the reasoning, but the only way I would have done it is if you were able to offer me proven players at this level in return.....for example, a hungry Bony and a fit Michu. Even then, it would have probably been safer to accept what you've got and get the best out of it, which is what PC did very well.
They were 80% responsible for the lack of goals around the team, more like.
They stifled play, made us predictable, slow and boring to watch. Llorente just can't do it back to goal and doesn't move around or get into space. So the only option for success was to somehow get crosses in, something we weren't particularly adept at.
Siggy tried to play in the hole behind him and we looked shapeless at best, atrocious at worst. He was basically shoehorned into the side to pick up the odd set piece chance - which we did, i accept.
But take those 2 out of the team and with just 1 addition - ONE!!! A mobile striker in the shape of Tammy (this could have been achieved in January with someone else, without a shadow of a doubt) and we look a completely different team.
It's all water under the bridge but i'm glad supporters have finally had a chance to see, in action, what I was advocating in January.
And bear in mind, we were in the shit back then and we needed to do something to change things.
If posters are honest, and big enough to say so, i'm sure they can now see what my thinking was, and that it wouldn't have been the most ridiculous thing to do when staring into the abyss.
Siggy and Llorente are not the be all and end all - and seriously, they caused as many problems as they offered solutions.
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I was one of the few that agreed with you re. the restrictions Gylfi and Llorente brought to the team (because people were blinded by desperate set pieces that papered over the cracks) but I still think it would have been mad to have made the changes right then.
I totally agree that we can be FAR better, especially if/when we replace Gylfi (or Routs yesterday) with someone very special. By special, I mean a ball-carrying wizard who can dance past players, see passes that others can't and bring the same sort of buzz that Tammy does slightly further up the park.
My point is that it would have been far too much of a risk at the time and the safest option was the one PC took. In the end, we stayed up and Gylfi's value went up a lot too. And Llorente's. It definitely worked, but that doesn't mean that we have to suffer again this season.
As you said, we had a glimpse yesterday of what can be. It wasn't a PL game, so I'm going to try and contain my excitement, but there's huge potential in those front three, especially if Fer plays as well all season as he did yesterday.
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 10:22 - Aug 6 by MoscowJack
I was one of the few that agreed with you re. the restrictions Gylfi and Llorente brought to the team (because people were blinded by desperate set pieces that papered over the cracks) but I still think it would have been mad to have made the changes right then.
I totally agree that we can be FAR better, especially if/when we replace Gylfi (or Routs yesterday) with someone very special. By special, I mean a ball-carrying wizard who can dance past players, see passes that others can't and bring the same sort of buzz that Tammy does slightly further up the park.
My point is that it would have been far too much of a risk at the time and the safest option was the one PC took. In the end, we stayed up and Gylfi's value went up a lot too. And Llorente's. It definitely worked, but that doesn't mean that we have to suffer again this season.
As you said, we had a glimpse yesterday of what can be. It wasn't a PL game, so I'm going to try and contain my excitement, but there's huge potential in those front three, especially if Fer plays as well all season as he did yesterday.
Spot on post. I had the same viewpoint at the time, easy to understand the logic but way too big a risk.
It would have absolutely been the wrong thing to do in January, it's the right thing to do now. Even if it's taking far too long.
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As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 10:33 - Aug 6 with 722 views
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 10:33 - Aug 6 by TheResurrection
Not absolutely. No chance.
It was more than a viable option.
You can't really argue with fact. A subjective opinion doesn't hold nearly as much weight.
If we had flogged them both in January, brought in more mobile players and started playing dynamic football, we may have stayed up. We didn't, we played to our players strengths, scored a lot of our goals from set pieces and did stay up. It worked.
Your argument would hold a lot more water if we had been relegated.
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As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 10:39 - Aug 6 with 711 views
The results of friendly's are meaningless, you should have this debate a couple of months down the line, when results and not conjecture cac be assessed.
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As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 10:43 - Aug 6 with 703 views
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 10:37 - Aug 6 by jack247
You can't really argue with fact. A subjective opinion doesn't hold nearly as much weight.
If we had flogged them both in January, brought in more mobile players and started playing dynamic football, we may have stayed up. We didn't, we played to our players strengths, scored a lot of our goals from set pieces and did stay up. It worked.
Your argument would hold a lot more water if we had been relegated.
But it's not FACT and you are trying to make it so.
You're wrong.
The fact in this matter, and as was more than proved yesterday, was it was an extremely viable option.
Now "that" is a FACT.
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I am the resurrection and i am the light. I couldn’t ever bring myself to hate you as i’d like
As good as the front 3 were, Carroll Man of the Match on 10:39 - Aug 6 by scruffyjack
The results of friendly's are meaningless, you should have this debate a couple of months down the line, when results and not conjecture cac be assessed.
Nobody is arguing the result, the style of play is being discussed, a massive difference.
I want a mate like Flashberryjacks, who wears a Barnsley jersey with "Swans are my second team" on the back.
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