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Leave the EU and we will lose far more than we would gain so it's 'IN' for me.
The majority (what I can gather) who are voting leave are doing so under the fallacy that the money saved will be spent on our NHS and public services. Can you honestly believe Gove and Johnson would actually put money to good use? I can't either.
Also there is the immigration issue where non EU migrants (which are the majority) will still be coming to these shores in droves, brexit will not stop this.
If we leave it will be a long, slow drawn out divorce which will strangle this country.
Interesting article on itn news at ten . A rallying cry for the brexiters is putting the great back into Britain, but if leave wins we can kiss goodbye to Gibraltar.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 18:32 - Jun 15 by Flashberryjack
Anyway, a half dozen or so dentally deficient local ladies were being questioned regarding their likely vote in the referendum and - surprise, surprise - they were, all of them, minded to vote for Brexit because (as one of them stated enthusiastically (or rather cackled inanely)) it was time to put the ‘Great’ back into Britain (or similar)
When has Britain ever been "great"? I doubt these ladies would know and i very much doubt they would have lived when Britain was an empire.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:37 - Jun 15 by Flashberryjack
Immigration is a massive problem, whether you think it or not, maybe not the only one but a massive one nevertheless.
Oh you mean the thousands of Asians who come here to study and work in our health services and put an astonishing amount into our economy?
Why do they come here? Well it's because our higher eduction system is very well regarded and amongst the best in Europe.
The problem this country has is not the migrants who come here to work and put into our economy but the work shy youths who have no intention ever of doing a hards days graft yet sponge off the state to buy their hash/spice/weed/cider and stay in all day on their playstations.
These people also have the cheek to come out with the excuse that "illegal immigrant are coming over here and taking our jobs". Sorry but these migrants have an education unlike these graft dodgers and have every right to a decent living as they have earned it.
Being serious for a moment, today is the closest I have come to crossing the rubicon to voting remain.
The reason: vote leave's six bill plan for a world post Brexit.
By far and away the most intellectually bereft, anodyne piece of bullsh1t I've seen. They have had years to come up with a blueprint for how the UK would grasp the nettle of a post EU world, and the best they could come up with is that.
These are the politicians we want to lead us into the brave new world?
For me, the arguments to leave are stronger. I just haven't seen a politician make any of them yet.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 00:17 - Jun 16 with 1572 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 23:51 - Jun 15 by jackonicko
Being serious for a moment, today is the closest I have come to crossing the rubicon to voting remain.
The reason: vote leave's six bill plan for a world post Brexit.
By far and away the most intellectually bereft, anodyne piece of bullsh1t I've seen. They have had years to come up with a blueprint for how the UK would grasp the nettle of a post EU world, and the best they could come up with is that.
These are the politicians we want to lead us into the brave new world?
For me, the arguments to leave are stronger. I just haven't seen a politician make any of them yet.
Ooh - a disturbance in the force ...
It actually made me laugh that one of the named negotiators is a German immigrant :-)
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 07:54 - Jun 16 with 1480 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 00:31 - Jun 16 by londonlisa2001
Ooh - a disturbance in the force ...
It actually made me laugh that one of the named negotiators is a German immigrant :-)
I know!
The rules are pretty clear that whilst the Article 50 process for leaving the EU is running, then everything else continues as is.
They proposed 6 bills. One repeals the European Communities Act 1972, which you don't do until the end of the Art 50 process as that is the enacting legislation that gives primacy and effect to EU treaties and regulations.
The other 5 were items that were either incompatible with EU laws (eg changes to VAT and immigration) so would be struck out as ultra vires until the repeal of the ECA - or commits that £100m per week of spending on the NHS, with money that we actually will still be paying to EU as the payment mechanisms continue as is too.
There are many, many things that would have to happen, or be planned for, but they managed to come up with six things, none of which could actually happen until at least 2020.
What was the point of that?
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 08:06 - Jun 16 with 1434 views
This £350m that is supposed to go into the NHS and everything else... What I don't get about it is, supposedly we get 10x that back. So aren't we going to be ~£3.2b out of pocket?
Upthecity!
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 08:21 - Jun 16 with 1422 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 17:07 - Jun 15 by westwiltsjack
There was a documentary/news item on the other night where an interviewer and film crew had set up in some godforsaken bingo hall, slash, ‘working mens’ club in the North East I think. (How do they find these places? I’m convinced that TV companies employ teams of hovel sniffers trained to track the scent of spliff, attack dogs, Lynx and emaciated hags). Anyway, a half dozen or so dentally deficient local ladies were being questioned regarding their likely vote in the referendum and - surprise, surprise - they were, all of them, minded to vote for Brexit because (as one of them stated enthusiastically (or rather cackled inanely)) it was time to put the ‘Great’ back into Britain (or similar). And, at the point where she finished saying the word ‘Brittn’ and her cracked lips formed into a hideous grin, any lingering doubts I had about my instinctive remain vote vanished completely — a moment of clarity if you like. And so, on the 23 June they will stride out, these modern day Bodiceas, to the polling station — flip flops, ankle tattoos and 2 month old toe varnish - through some desolate, dog shat ravaged northern ghetto, imbued with a perverse fusion of patriotism and racial superiority, and reeking of a late morning fag/cider/fry up combo, to put a tick in the box for Blighty. They are of course the same types booking cheap holidays to places in southern Europe; that they are unlikely to be able to pronounce or locate on a map, where they will (probably) consume liver pickling quantities of alco-pops, contract some localised gonorrhoea super variant (entirely possible and possibly knowingly) and compete to see who can develop the largest melanoma (almost definitely and possibly unknowingly). Oh yes! I can just imagine Penny (Mordaunt - French name) and ‘Pretty’ (Patel - Indian name I guess) discussing with these lovelies the feminist economic benefits of Brexit and the possible reduction in the cost of casual rubber footwear over a convivial Pimms or fourteen; that engagement wouldn’t register at all on their frightful & ghastly monitors, would it? And I’m certain that Gove (Scottish name), Farage (French Name) and Sir ob Nosnhoj (thoroughly British ancestry) are straining to align themselves proudly with this bunch of Brexit babes — not me thanks, I’m in! A sudden and uncontrolled influx of Romanian gangsters wielding garage manufactured hand guns and the latest line in credit card cloning techno-gadgetry appeals more, frankly. That last bit is over the top I admit.
It is however going to be massively interesting if Tribe Brexit prevails, the coverage thus far will pale.
This hatred of the elderly working-class is exactly the sort of thing Andrew Neather was describing.
Glad the racist Pakistani paedophile gangs, Middle Eastern hate preachers and Libyan people-traffickers don't annoy you as much.
The orthodox are always orthodox, regardless of the orthodoxy.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 08:36 - Jun 16 with 1413 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 08:11 - Jun 16 by yescomeon
This £350m that is supposed to go into the NHS and everything else... What I don't get about it is, supposedly we get 10x that back. So aren't we going to be ~£3.2b out of pocket?
I am getting fed up with every news channel repeating the same questions from either side with same answers. I have not learned anything new with these debates in the last few weeks. The working people will be continued to be screwed whatever the result. If you are happy the way everything is vote remain, if you want change vote leave (could be good or bad). I would not worry about statistics being thrown back and fore because you can twist it to suit your own agenda.
Even when you know, you never know?
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 09:10 - Jun 16 with 1381 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 08:47 - Jun 16 by jojaca
I am getting fed up with every news channel repeating the same questions from either side with same answers. I have not learned anything new with these debates in the last few weeks. The working people will be continued to be screwed whatever the result. If you are happy the way everything is vote remain, if you want change vote leave (could be good or bad). I would not worry about statistics being thrown back and fore because you can twist it to suit your own agenda.
That's been my approach and why I voted in. In my life the EU has been a force for good.
Upthecity!
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 09:12 - Jun 16 with 1380 views
Though maybe through the law of unintended consequences spiv lawyers have used the EU's laws to delay or stop the deportation of thoroughly frightening people.
The orthodox are always orthodox, regardless of the orthodoxy.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 09:30 - Jun 16 with 1361 views
I actually like the idea of the EU in many ways. I will mourn the break up if it occurs despite having voted the other way.
I think a lot of honesty is needed. If the EU was a sort of Fortress Europe I'd be a committed Remainer.
But it seems to me to be big version of New Labour. Endlessly compassionate towards immigrants endlessly ignorant (or worse) towards the communities and people it effects. Endlessly compassionate towards criminals endlessly ignorant of victims.
A socially Right-wing or even centre-Right EU suspicious of Islamic expansionism would easily get my vote.
The orthodox are always orthodox, regardless of the orthodoxy.
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