| rip robin williams 00:03 - Aug 12 with 16961 views | jackforever |
Sad news. Apparent suicide at 63 |  | | |  |
| rip robin williams on 14:06 - Aug 12 with 2216 views | llangyfelach |
| rip robin williams on 13:58 - Aug 12 by Darran |
You're pretty hard nosed when you're slagging off Cheap Trick ya tw*t.  |
You knows I loves them really, mush  |  |
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| rip robin williams on 14:09 - Aug 12 with 2207 views | Darran |
| rip robin williams on 14:06 - Aug 12 by llangyfelach |
You knows I loves them really, mush |
[heart-smiley-thingy]  |  |
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| rip robin williams on 15:29 - Aug 12 with 2162 views | Darran |
I loved him as Mork in Happy Days. | |
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| rip robin williams on 15:40 - Aug 12 with 2150 views | Neath_Jack |
Shall i get it out of the garage ready?
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| rip robin williams on 15:43 - Aug 12 with 2157 views | Catullus |
| rip robin williams on 14:05 - Aug 12 by llangyfelach |
Fine with me, pal. Always up for a slurp of a weekend |
I always used to be but I hardly touch a drop any more, and I feel happier for it. I only ever have 2/3 pints in a day now. I do very rarely have 5/6 but only on special days like Cardiff away!!!
Too much alcohol caused my parents break up. The very first time it caused an argument between me and my wife, I cut right back. | |
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| rip robin williams on 15:53 - Aug 12 with 2146 views | Baker |
Sacked by media outrage.
The poor c*nt doesn't stand a chance  |  |
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| rip robin williams on 15:53 - Aug 12 with 2145 views | attila_the_hun |
RIP Robin Williams
"Don't Worry Be Happy" |  |
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| rip robin williams on 15:57 - Aug 12 with 2140 views | Jack_y_Jwc |
what I find most weird about this is that he would have cared more if it was Robbie Williams, what a strange viewpoint. | |
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| rip robin williams on 18:58 - Aug 12 with 2052 views | Dyfnant |
| rip robin williams on 15:57 - Aug 12 by Jack_y_Jwc |
what I find most weird about this is that he would have cared more if it was Robbie Williams, what a strange viewpoint. |
perhaps he's met him or has another sort of connection. |  |
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| rip robin williams on 19:54 - Aug 12 with 2020 views | exiledclaseboy |
| rip robin williams on 08:54 - Aug 12 by Baker |
Serious answer?
I reckon I'm going to regret this following post, but you never know, it may give me a little closure.
After years of drug and alcohol abuse, in Jan 2012 I found myself sitting by a railway track near Newport, ready to throw myself in front of a train because of the 'depression' I had been suffering with for the previous six months had hit an all time high (or is that low?).
I shit out (obviously, sorry about that, haters) because I realised what affect my actions would have on others. So I set about rebuilding my life mostly by myself and with a little help of one person that is close to me.
I make no apology for my comments towards a rich, selfish, c*nt that had probably one of the worlds best support systems in place to cope with his 'problems' but instead chose the selfish way out.
I have nothing but sympathy toward his close family, but don't expect me to join in with this faux sympathy lark that the internet has created and expect me to have an ounce of sympathy towards that unfunny shithouse - f*ck him. |
Can't you see some parallels between your situation and Williams? You were abusing alcohol and drugs and clinically depressed, probably severely so to reach they stage you were at. You'd created a tremendous internet persona for yourself on here (albeit with other people's material as it turned out but that's by the by) and revelled in the adulation of your fellow "nerds" as you took the plaudits for the hilarious posts you made on here.
But none of it actually mattered and you still found yourself on the brink of suicide. Thank f*ck you managed to come through it, and I'm genuinely glad that you managed to turn yourself around. Unfortunately, not everyone is capable of doing that as the 6000 suicides in this country every year attest to. But I'd have thought having some experience of that might make you a bit less judgemental of others who tragically weren't capable of doing what you did.
I wasn't a huge fan of Robin Williams, I found him moderately funny on occasions but I didn't think he was anything special. And like others I certainly have no time for the public displays of grief that are all the rage in this post-Diana world. But I can't imagine what must be going through the mind of someone who kills themselves.
I knew of a 15 year old kid who hung himself a few months ago. Tore the heart out of his family and friends. I can't think of the poor f*cker as selfish though. I can only try to imagine what was in his head as he put the noose around his neck and jumped. Upsets me just to think about it. |  |
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| rip robin williams on 19:57 - Aug 12 with 2012 views | perchrockjack |
Class post Andrew.
Rich lilicrap and I had a mutual chum who blew his brains out aged 16 not good.not selfish. Depression ain't a joke.it kills | |
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| rip robin williams on 20:25 - Aug 12 with 1988 views | dickythorpe |
Mrs.Doubtfire 2 was being worked on by Robin, it will now be finished off by Frank Maloney. |  | | |
| rip robin williams on 20:54 - Aug 12 with 1969 views | skippyjack |
Very talented man.. people who are f*cked up usually are. |  |
| The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh
The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds. | | Poll: | Best Swans Player |
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| rip robin williams on 09:19 - Aug 13 with 1900 views | Curcubita_Ultra |
| rip robin williams on 20:54 - Aug 12 by skippyjack |
Very talented man.. people who are f*cked up usually are. |
Indeed. He wrote all his own material too... | | | |
| rip robin williams on 09:26 - Aug 13 with 1892 views | Uxbridge |
| rip robin williams on 15:53 - Aug 12 by Baker |
Sacked by media outrage.
The poor c*nt doesn't stand a chance |
I'd have more sympathy if he wasn't spouting off to create some shock value. |  |
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| rip robin williams on 10:07 - Aug 13 with 1873 views | Baker |
| rip robin williams on 19:54 - Aug 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Can't you see some parallels between your situation and Williams? You were abusing alcohol and drugs and clinically depressed, probably severely so to reach they stage you were at. You'd created a tremendous internet persona for yourself on here (albeit with other people's material as it turned out but that's by the by) and revelled in the adulation of your fellow "nerds" as you took the plaudits for the hilarious posts you made on here.
But none of it actually mattered and you still found yourself on the brink of suicide. Thank f*ck you managed to come through it, and I'm genuinely glad that you managed to turn yourself around. Unfortunately, not everyone is capable of doing that as the 6000 suicides in this country every year attest to. But I'd have thought having some experience of that might make you a bit less judgemental of others who tragically weren't capable of doing what you did.
I wasn't a huge fan of Robin Williams, I found him moderately funny on occasions but I didn't think he was anything special. And like others I certainly have no time for the public displays of grief that are all the rage in this post-Diana world. But I can't imagine what must be going through the mind of someone who kills themselves.
I knew of a 15 year old kid who hung himself a few months ago. Tore the heart out of his family and friends. I can't think of the poor f*cker as selfish though. I can only try to imagine what was in his head as he put the noose around his neck and jumped. Upsets me just to think about it. |
Of course I can see the parallels, difference being is that I made the correct decision and that selfish tw*t didn't.
A bit less judgemental?
Sitting there for hours weighing up pro's & cons has actually made me more judgemental. Before my 'episode' I did have compassion for those that had enough, but now that I've 'been there & come through it', I am now of the opinion that they are selfish c*nts because I believe the act of suicide promotes mental health problems in others.
I suppose now I'm viewed as a bit like the ex-smoker prick that looks down his nose at smokers, but when you know the affects of suicide is much more far reaching than some bloke merely toking on a cancer stick you tend to get a different outlook on things. I believe suicide should bring about shame and be viewed with utter disdain from peers as opposed to lauding it up and saying "It's ok, he did it because he had issues". No. It's not f*cking ok. Mental illness CAN be treated — suicide should NOT be an option.
As regards that 15 year old lad, yeah I know the family quite well. I also know a lot of his mates families well too. Do you know what they are having to go through because of this lad? Their kids have been hit for six by what this lad did. They are confused teenagers who saw the (false as f*ck) adulation this lad had from all quarters for what he did and those parents are f*cking sh*tting themselves that their kids will follow suit to become some sort of local hero too. (I can understand how that Bridgend suicide thing came about now and as a parent it makes me f*cking sick)
Also, did you know his care-free little sister (aged 11) who is about to join the same comprehensive school as her bruv, now has mental issues* that would never have come about if it wasn't for her big brother?
*I'll PM you the details because they are too hardcore for a football board IMO
As I said earlier… Suicide — It's a c*nts trick. [Post edited 13 Aug 2014 10:13]
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| rip robin williams on 10:08 - Aug 13 with 1869 views | Baker |
| rip robin williams on 09:26 - Aug 13 by Uxbridge |
I'd have more sympathy if he wasn't spouting off to create some shock value. |
Aye, I realised that an hour or two after my post. My bad.
See also: Marsh, Rodney. [Post edited 13 Aug 2014 10:09]
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| rip robin williams on 10:42 - Aug 13 with 1834 views | Baker |
| rip robin williams on 10:24 - Aug 13 by Uxbridge |
There's a reason I don't listen to Talksport
I kind of get where you're coming from. I held similar views myself until a close friend of mine died. I'm convinced it was just to get out of Leeds away but really shook me up at the time and made me reassess a few things. Guess my thinking now is that if he was in that much pain then it's kinder for him to do what made him happy than worry about making others happy. |
Leeds away is a terrifying thought for any man
It's all about perception and where you have come from, I suppose. Certain things in society are frowned upon. I just wish people would have the minerals to treat this the way it's deserved instead of trying to out-mourn each other. | |
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| rip robin williams on 10:56 - Aug 13 with 1820 views | Uxbridge |
| rip robin williams on 10:42 - Aug 13 by Baker |
Leeds away is a terrifying thought for any man
It's all about perception and where you have come from, I suppose. Certain things in society are frowned upon. I just wish people would have the minerals to treat this the way it's deserved instead of trying to out-mourn each other. |
On that I wholeheartedly agree. I have a great dislike for Diana syndrome. | |
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| rip robin williams on 12:04 - Aug 13 with 1783 views | epaul |
http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2014/aug/12/robin-williams-sui
Robin Williams's death: a reminder that suicide and depression are not selfish
News of Robin Williams’s death due to apparent suicide, said to be a result of suffering severe depression, is terribly sad. But to say taking your own life because of such an illness is a ‘selfish’ act does nothing but insult the deceased, potentially cause more harm and reveal a staggering ignorance of mental health problems
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Many words can be used to describe Robin Williams. ‘Selfish’ should not be one of them. Photograph: Allstar/Universal PicturesSportsphoto Ltd.
News broke today that Robin Williams had passed away, due to apparent suicide following severe depression. As the vast majority of people will likely have already said, this was terribly heart-breaking news. Such an iconic, talented and beloved figure will have no shortage of tributes paid to him and his incredible legacy. It’s also worth noting that Robin Williams was open about his mental health issues.
However, despite the tremendous amount of love and admiration for Williams being expressed pretty much everywhere right now, there are still those who can’t seem to resist the opportunity to criticise, as they do these days whenever a celebrated or successful person commits suicide. You may have come across this yourself; people who refer to the suicide as “selfish”. People will utter/post phrases such as “to do that to your family is just selfish”, or “to commit suicide when you’ve got so much going for you is pure selfishness”, or variations thereof.
If you are such a person who has expressed these views or similar for whatever reason, here’s why you’re wrong, or at the very least misinformed, and could be doing more harm in the long run.
Depression IS an illness
Depression, the clinical condition, could really use a different name. At present, the word “depressed” can be applied to both people who are a bit miserable and those with a genuine debilitating mood disorder. Ergo, it seems people are often very quick to dismiss depression as a minor, trivial concern. After all, everyone gets depressed now and again, don’t they? Don’t know why these people are complaining so much.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again; dismissing the concerns of a genuine depression sufferer on the grounds that you’ve been miserable and got over it is like dismissing the issues faced by someone who’s had to have their arm amputated because you once had a paper cut and it didn’t bother you. Depression is a genuine debilitating condition, and being in “a bit of a funk” isn’t. The fact that mental illness doesn’t receive the same sympathy/acknowledgement as physical illness is often referenced, and it’s a valid point. If you haven’t had it, you don’t have the right to dismiss those who have/do. You may disagree, and that’s your prerogative, but there are decades’ worth of evidence saying you’re wrong.
Depression doesn’t discriminate
How, many seem to wonder, could someone with so much going for them, possibly feel depressed to the point of suicide? With all the money/fame/family/success they have, to be depressed makes no sense?
Admittedly, there’s a certain amount of logic to this. But, and this is important, depression (like all mental illnesses) typically doesn’t take personal factors into account. Mental illness can affect anyone. We’ve all heard of the “madness” of King George III; if mental illness won’t spare someone who, at the time, was one of the most powerful well-bred humans alive, why would it spare someone just because they have a film career?
Granted, those with worse lives are probably going to be exposed to the greater number of risk factors for depression, but that doesn’t mean those with reduced likelihood of exposure to hardships or tragic events are immune. Smoking may be a major cause of lung cancer, but non-smokers can end up with it. And a person’s lifestyle doesn’t automatically reduce their suffering. Depression doesn’t work like that. And even if it did, where’s the cut-off point? Who would we consider “too successful” to be ill?
Depression is not ‘logical’
If we’re being optimistic, it could be said that most of those describing suicide from depression as selfish are doing so from a position of ignorance. Perhaps they think that those with depression make some sort of table or chart with the pros and cons of suicide and, despite the pros being far more numerous, selfishly opt for suicide anyway?
This is, of course, nonsensical. One of the main problems with mental illness is that is prevents you from behaving or thinking “normally” (although what that means is a discussion for another time). A depression sufferer is not thinking like a non-sufferer in the same way that someone who’s drowning is not “breathing air” like a person on land is. The situation is different. From the sufferers perspective, their self-worth may be so low, their outlook so bleak, that their families/friends/fans would be a lot better off without them in the world, ergo their suicide is actually intended as an act of generosity? Some might find such a conclusion an offensive assumption, but it is no more so than accusations of selfishness.
The “selfish” accusation also often implies that there are other options the sufferer has, but has chosen suicide. Or that it’s the “easy way out”. There are many ways to describe the sort of suffering that overrides a survival instinct that has evolved over millions of years, but “easy” isn’t an obvious one to go for. Perhaps none of it makes sense from a logical perspective, but insisting on logical thinking from someone in the grips of a mental illness is like insisting that someone with a broken leg walks normally; logically, you shouldn’t do that.
Stephen Fry, in his interview on Richard Herring’s podcast, had a brilliant explanation about how depression doesn’t make you think logically, or automatically confide in friends and family. I won’t spoil it by revealing it here, but I will say it involves genital warts.
Accusations of selfishness are themselves selfish?
Say you don’t agree with any of the above, that you still maintain that for someone with a successful career and family to commit suicide is selfish. Fine. Your opinion, you’re entitled to have it, however much we may disagree.
But why would you want to publicly declare that the recently deceased is selfish? Especially when the news has only just broken, and people are clearly sad about the whole thing? Why is getting in to criticise the deceased when they’ve only just passed so important to you? What service are you providing by doing so, that makes you so justified in throwing accusations of selfishness around?
Do you think that depression is “fashionable?” And by criticising the sufferers you can deter others from “joining in”? Granted, we hear more about depression than we used to these days, but then we know what it is now. We see a lot more photos from Mars these days, because we have the means of doing so now, not because it’s suddenly trendy.
Perhaps you are trying to deter anyone else who might read your views from considering suicide themselves? Given that statistics suggest that one in four people suffer some sort of mental health problem, this isn’t that unlikely an occurrence. But if someone is genuinely depressed and feels their life is worthless, seeing that others consider their feeling selfish can surely only emphasise their own self-loathing and bleakness? It suggests that people will hate them even in death.
Maybe you know some people who have “attempted” suicide purely for attention? Fair enough; a debatable conclusion, but even if you’re right, so what? Surely someone who succeeds at committing suicide is a genuine sufferer who deserves our sympathy?
Perhaps you feel that those expressing sorrow and sadness are wrong and you need to show them that you know better, no matter how upsetting they may find it? And this is unselfish behaviour how, exactly?
A brilliant but tortured individual has taken his own life, and this is a tragedy. But levelling ignorant accusations of selfishness certainly won’t prevent this from happening again. People should never be made to feel worse for suffering from something beyond their control.
If you feel you are dealing with depression, the charity MIND has many helpful sources, but there are many other avenues you can pursue |  |
| The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
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| rip robin williams on 12:16 - Aug 13 with 1771 views | Baker |
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