| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history 08:11 - Apr 27 with 17103 views | Parlay |
Garry Monk achieved the best points per game ratio than any other Swansea Premier League manager in history after the win against Aston Villa. Even more impressive is he has managed it with a squad about to play its 60th game in the coming fortnight.
Garry Monk - 1.25 points per game (47.5 pts per 38 game season)
Brendan Rodgers - 1.23 points per game (47 pts per 38 game season)
Michael Laudrup - 1.12 points per game (42.5 pts per 38 game season)
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 09:50 - Apr 27 with 1396 views | Drizzle |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 09:49 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
If your data is different to mine then simply it is wrong.
The facts say Monks record is better than the Rodgers and Laudrup so far. |
And those facts also say that Ryan Giggs is the best premier league manager of all time.( SO FAR) [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 9:51]
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 09:53 - Apr 27 with 1383 views | Parlay |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 09:50 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
And those facts also say that Ryan Giggs is the best premier league manager of all time.( SO FAR) [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 9:51]
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But the facts also say Giggs hasnt managed the required amount of games that yield a possible points total to achieve the clubs season long goals. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 09:56 - Apr 27 with 1375 views | Drizzle |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 09:53 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
But the facts also say Giggs hasnt managed the required amount of games that yield a possible points total to achieve the clubs season long goals. |
So what. Thats an arbitrary benchmark you just invented. Its has no value. Its just a meaningless number. I could say that Garry Monk hasn't completed the required number of games to calculate an accurate median based on my own criteria, which will naturally suit my agenda.
I have already presented a scenario whereby we even up the sample set. Judge on the same number of games, against the same opposition. You ignored that though because its devastating to your point. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 10:00]
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 09:58 - Apr 27 with 1369 views | WarwickHunt |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 09:50 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
And those facts also say that Ryan Giggs is the best premier league manager of all time.( SO FAR) [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 9:51]
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He's also the most experienced Yernahtid manager in the list of candidates to be Yernahtid manager... |  | | |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:02 - Apr 27 with 1352 views | Parlay |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 09:56 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
So what. Thats an arbitrary benchmark you just invented. Its has no value. Its just a meaningless number. I could say that Garry Monk hasn't completed the required number of games to calculate an accurate median based on my own criteria, which will naturally suit my agenda.
I have already presented a scenario whereby we even up the sample set. Judge on the same number of games, against the same opposition. You ignored that though because its devastating to your point. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 10:00]
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Not at all.
The job of manager is to achieve the clubs objectives, if he hasnt managed enough games to achieve that then by definition its not really fair to judge as it was impossible to reach the clubs goal.
This season Laudrup managed us 24 games. Are we allowed to judge how Laudrup faired this season? Rodgers managed us for 38 games, can we judge him?
Monk in his 12 games has played enough to reach the clubs objectives, and has played half top 10 teams and half bottom 10 teams.
Like iI said, history agrees with me and many managers have been judged by their board after 12 games. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:05 - Apr 27 with 1316 views | NOTRAC |
So you are saying that Gary Monk has already shown that he is a better manager than Brendon's Rogers and Michael Laudrup.
For one moment just sit back and think how ridiculous that statement is. |  |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:11 - Apr 27 with 1335 views | Parlay |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:05 - Apr 27 by NOTRAC |
So you are saying that Gary Monk has already shown that he is a better manager than Brendon's Rogers and Michael Laudrup.
For one moment just sit back and think how ridiculous that statement is. |
Nope, im saying that so far in his managerial tenure Monk has achieved the same (better in fact) points per game ratio than the other two.
As ive said, time may change this. However he doesnt really have many more games to go to reach that of Rodgers reign (an extra 2 thirds of a season).
So he is ahead of the rate so far after a third of a season. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 10:11]
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:13 - Apr 27 with 1333 views | Drizzle |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:02 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
Not at all.
The job of manager is to achieve the clubs objectives, if he hasnt managed enough games to achieve that then by definition its not really fair to judge as it was impossible to reach the clubs goal.
This season Laudrup managed us 24 games. Are we allowed to judge how Laudrup faired this season? Rodgers managed us for 38 games, can we judge him?
Monk in his 12 games has played enough to reach the clubs objectives, and has played half top 10 teams and half bottom 10 teams.
Like iI said, history agrees with me and many managers have been judged by their board after 12 games. |
I can see you are off on another tangent altogether. You used a points per game average at the start of this thread. You seem top be dragging this off topic now because there is very definite evidence that ML has in fact done better in the same games. As I said at the start, you have a corrupted sample set which results in a null hypothesis. All you are doing by claiming to be right is confirming that you are clueless. | | | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:17 - Apr 27 with 1321 views | Parlay |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:13 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
I can see you are off on another tangent altogether. You used a points per game average at the start of this thread. You seem top be dragging this off topic now because there is very definite evidence that ML has in fact done better in the same games. As I said at the start, you have a corrupted sample set which results in a null hypothesis. All you are doing by claiming to be right is confirming that you are clueless. |
Dont be so ridiculous.
Managers are judged on their entire careers not just a select few games. Surely the most accurate thing we can do is look at all 3 tenures and average a points to game ratio.
If you would like to make it more localised then we could look at Monks entire reign this season and Laudrups entire reign this season.
Although that doesnt turn out to well for Laudruo either.
The fact you need to cherry pick games in order to make him competitive says it all. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:21 - Apr 27 with 1306 views | Drizzle |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:17 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
Dont be so ridiculous.
Managers are judged on their entire careers not just a select few games. Surely the most accurate thing we can do is look at all 3 tenures and average a points to game ratio.
If you would like to make it more localised then we could look at Monks entire reign this season and Laudrups entire reign this season.
Although that doesnt turn out to well for Laudruo either.
The fact you need to cherry pick games in order to make him competitive says it all. |
They played different teams at different locations. Statistics need context to have value. To have a fair analysis you need to conduct the same experiments on the data. Same opponent(where possible), same location.
Its not perfect but its fair. You would be all over this if it supported your view. | | | |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:25 - Apr 27 with 1293 views | JACKARSE |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:21 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
They played different teams at different locations. Statistics need context to have value. To have a fair analysis you need to conduct the same experiments on the data. Same opponent(where possible), same location.
Its not perfect but its fair. You would be all over this if it supported your view. |
ML - 12 pts (1.33/game)
GM - 11 pts (1.22/game)
BR - 6 pts (0.67/game) |  | | |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:26 - Apr 27 with 1286 views | Drizzle |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:25 - Apr 27 by JACKARSE |
ML - 12 pts (1.33/game)
GM - 11 pts (1.22/game)
BR - 6 pts (0.67/game) |
So according to Parlay, Brendan Rodgers is the worst Premier League manager we have ever had.  | | | |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:26 - Apr 27 with 1263 views | NOTRAC |
On the same hypothesis Garry Monk has the worst record of any Swansea manager ever in the F A Cup and the worst record ever of any manager in the Europa League.
Likewise Michael Laudrup must be the best cup competition manager that Swansea has ever had,keeping us in the Europa Cup until his dismissal,winning the League Cup, and beating Man Utd away in the FA Cup,arguably one of the best results ever in that competition | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:27 - Apr 27 with 1280 views | Parlay |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:21 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
They played different teams at different locations. Statistics need context to have value. To have a fair analysis you need to conduct the same experiments on the data. Same opponent(where possible), same location.
Its not perfect but its fair. You would be all over this if it supported your view. |
Thats an awful suggestion. Surely its best to take a whole managerial reign rather than cherry pick different sides with differing squads?
The teams this year would be vastly different to that of teams last year. Take WBA for example, Man United, Liverpool etc etc
That is absolutely not the most accurate thing.
Man United were the best team last year, this year they are the 7th best.
If you take whole tenuresnthen it will even itself out as the 7th best team will be played by both managers if nto necessarily the same team. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:29 - Apr 27 with 1264 views | Parlay |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:26 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
So according to Parlay, Brendan Rodgers is the worst Premier League manager we have ever had. |
It would certainly if I was advocating that statistic, however i told you it was rubbish at the time - so how can the results of that ridiculous stat be anything like "according to me"  | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:29 - Apr 27 with 1265 views | JACKARSE |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:27 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
Thats an awful suggestion. Surely its best to take a whole managerial reign rather than cherry pick different sides with differing squads?
The teams this year would be vastly different to that of teams last year. Take WBA for example, Man United, Liverpool etc etc
That is absolutely not the most accurate thing.
Man United were the best team last year, this year they are the 7th best.
If you take whole tenuresnthen it will even itself out as the 7th best team will be played by both managers if nto necessarily the same team. |
Like for like games mun
ML - 12 pts (1.33/game)
GM - 11 pts (1.22/game)
BR - 6 pts (0.67/game) | | | |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:30 - Apr 27 with 1261 views | Drizzle |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:29 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
It would certainly if I was advocating that statistic, however i told you it was rubbish at the time - so how can the results of that ridiculous stat be anything like "according to me" |
But it passes the test you use justify monks analysis | | | |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:30 - Apr 27 with 1255 views | Parlay |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:26 - Apr 27 by NOTRAC |
On the same hypothesis Garry Monk has the worst record of any Swansea manager ever in the F A Cup and the worst record ever of any manager in the Europa League.
Likewise Michael Laudrup must be the best cup competition manager that Swansea has ever had,keeping us in the Europa Cup until his dismissal,winning the League Cup, and beating Man Utd away in the FA Cup,arguably one of the best results ever in that competition |
And i agree with it.
Monk played a reserve side in the fa cup. The league was his priority as the stats show. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:31 - Apr 27 with 1251 views | monmouth |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 09:49 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
Yes we definitely looked like the Swansea of old when we lost a game 2-1 vs West Brom that we romped 3-1 under Laudrup and 3-0 under Rodgers. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 9:54]
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But we've beaten - no thrashed- Norwich and Lambert, which neither on them could do.
I have no view either way, it's a non argument, but it's easy to be selective. Actually I think all three have done a job beyond my own wildest expectations of them, so rather than compare I'd rather congratulate all three of our premier managers. Thanks bois! |  |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:31 - Apr 27 with 1248 views | Parlay |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:30 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
But it passes the test you use justify monks analysis |
No it doesn't, monks analysis isnt cherry picked. It is his whole tenure. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:32 - Apr 27 with 1245 views | Darran |
Parlay - best boring as f*ck record for Swansea in Planetswans history. |  |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:33 - Apr 27 with 1241 views | Parlay |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:32 - Apr 27 by Darran |
Parlay - best boring as f*ck record for Swansea in Planetswans history. |
And most correct.
Boring to be right all the time see scruff. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:33 - Apr 27 with 1241 views | Drizzle |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:31 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
No it doesn't, monks analysis isnt cherry picked. It is his whole tenure. |
That's irrelevant. You cant compare data from different sized sample sets. That is what I have been saying all along. You get crazy results like Brendan Rodgers being our worst ever manager. | | | |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:36 - Apr 27 with 1227 views | Parlay |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:33 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
That's irrelevant. You cant compare data from different sized sample sets. That is what I have been saying all along. You get crazy results like Brendan Rodgers being our worst ever manager. |
Of course you can, otherwise nobody could ever be compared in history.
Rodgers doesnt have the worst points per game ratio at all, the results only start to look odd when you cherry pick games, something i said would be silly to do. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:37 - Apr 27 with 1217 views | Drizzle |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:36 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
Of course you can, otherwise nobody could ever be compared in history.
Rodgers doesnt have the worst points per game ratio at all, the results only start to look odd when you cherry pick games, something i said would be silly to do. |
Well to be honest, only an idiot would try place a manager in the historical context after 12 games. Carry on. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 10:38]
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