| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat 10:57 - Mar 16 with 10688 views | swancity |
Is laughable.
Suddenly, following the narrowest of defeats, an unlucky one at that, the players are heartless, gutless, clueless, the manager doesn't know what he is doing, the chairman is interfering too much and the tea lady isn't doing her job properly.
We played quite well in the first half yesterday and were undone by two moments of quality from sessegnon and mulumbu was it? It was a game of few chances, may be quite even and certainly neither keeper was involved too often. A draw would have been a fair result but football doesn't work like that. We certainly delivered over 30 crosses into their defensive area and on another day would have been clear by half time.
We will bounce back. The concern of course is that one point from the two home games v palace and Albion has meant that we are in trouble. So are 10 other clubs.
For 11 seasons we have been used to winning and progressing. It's now a case of steadying the ship and steady it we will. It's not a time for hysteria. And neither is it justified. |  |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 16:55 - Mar 16 with 1753 views | goontheswans |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 12:58 - Mar 16 by Dr_Winston |
We sacked Laudrup because we'd been crap for the best part of a year (long before these injuries that were supposed to have made it difficult for him kicked in) and he showed little ability or inclination to change that.
Let's stop pretending that he was hard done by.
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Surely surely now, reality must be starting to bite a little bit for the "poor for a year" brigade
Or more likely they are probably waiting for our next manager to come on so we can start back pushing for top 6 :) and rolling over the big teams. ........... sigh | | | |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 18:12 - Mar 16 with 1695 views | Dr_Winston |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 16:55 - Mar 16 by goontheswans |
Surely surely now, reality must be starting to bite a little bit for the "poor for a year" brigade
Or more likely they are probably waiting for our next manager to come on so we can start back pushing for top 6 :) and rolling over the big teams. ........... sigh |
Averaged less than a point a game from February 2013 onwards. Relegation form carried through two different seasons. That's the only reality that matters.
Ditching Laudrup was the right decision. Appointing Monk as his replacement (albeit temporarily) less so. |  |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 18:23 - Mar 16 with 1674 views | Private_Partz |
Less so? It was a shockingly bad decision. The appointment was naive and far too late in the season. we were no worse off than half the premier league under ML. on top of this we had injured players coming back. Even if we had carried in showing little improvement we would have avoided the drop. let's hope things improve because our average per game is now dropping and at a time when we have had Cardiff, Palace, and West Brom home. |  |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 19:01 - Mar 16 with 1613 views | jacksinceever |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 11:24 - Mar 16 by scottishjack |
I wasn't at the game, haven't seen the highlights so I shouldn't really comment, but do West Brom deserve any credit from yesterday?
I just remember how annoyed we used to get when we didn't get the credit we deserved... |
From a WBA point of view they pressed up further for virtually the whole of the second half and scored an excellent first goal and a very fortunate second goal, but will welcome points from any quarter. At half time they'd have given their collective right arms for a point.
However they must also be honest enough to know they got out of jail in the first half.
For our part, we did everything but score a second goal in the first half, then in the second half we went to pieces and as Garry Monk correctly pointed out in his post-match interviews the players didn't show the effort needed to win.
If we carry on like that, we will struggle to reach 35 points and could well find ourselves relegated.
Not a hysterical reaction - just a fair assessment IMHO |  | | |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 19:05 - Mar 16 with 1599 views | jacksinceever |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 12:55 - Mar 16 by icecoldjack |
I hope your right fella.
Id like to see us ask serious questions of how our club is being run too, didnt 90% of jacks think putting monk in charge was a massive gamble? so why do it ?
Why sack laudrup when he had massive injuries to deal with,why sack him with no proper guy to take control,why listen to opinions of some senior players?
There are alot of issues that we as fans have let slide because they saved the club, its about time we start asking uncomfortable questions, i feel there are ego's in the boardroom starting to beleive they're own hype a bit too much and the end result is looking pretty grim because of it !!
There are issues to look at and questions to ask thats for sure. |
90% of Jacks also thought putting Martinez was a massive gamble at that level. Look how that has turned out ....
Easy to be wise after the event .... | | | |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 19:09 - Mar 16 with 1595 views | hammy |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 19:01 - Mar 16 by jacksinceever |
From a WBA point of view they pressed up further for virtually the whole of the second half and scored an excellent first goal and a very fortunate second goal, but will welcome points from any quarter. At half time they'd have given their collective right arms for a point.
However they must also be honest enough to know they got out of jail in the first half.
For our part, we did everything but score a second goal in the first half, then in the second half we went to pieces and as Garry Monk correctly pointed out in his post-match interviews the players didn't show the effort needed to win.
If we carry on like that, we will struggle to reach 35 points and could well find ourselves relegated.
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Yes, a fair assessment.
Not sure why we were so bad in the second half, but maybe we're tiring from our first half exploits (similar pattern in the Palace game). Prior to the last 2 home games I had always felt that we played better in second half of games and with a lot more energy. This now doesn't seem to be the case.
But we're going to have to get this sorted enough to get approx. 9 points from the last 9 games ! |  |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 19:11 - Mar 16 with 1589 views | Private_Partz |
Jacksin. There is absolutely no comparison between the two. this is now a multi million pound gamble that could easily wreck all the good work done previously. Many of us could see this coming a mile off. Check the posts. most certainly not wise after the event. | |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 19:20 - Mar 16 with 1575 views | icecoldjack |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 19:05 - Mar 16 by jacksinceever |
90% of Jacks also thought putting Martinez was a massive gamble at that level. Look how that has turned out ....
Easy to be wise after the event .... |
Martinez was going into a L1 team and took an experienced coach with him.
Monk was going into the toughest league in the world with the head of youth at his side!
Not quite the same thing im afraid to say. |  | | |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 19:27 - Mar 16 with 1561 views | icecoldjack |
I must add that many people had reservations about this appointment but were shouted down by others as being negative or un supportive.
I cant think of many other teams who would give the managers job to a player while in a relegation battle to stay in the richest league in the world! to me the level of delusion to expect something like that to be a massive success is laughable and many pointed the very same thing out at the time.
Its more to do with the board than monk himself , i just feel they have been etremely arrogant to think that Monk could walk in at manage at that level and save our season. | | | |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 19:34 - Mar 16 with 1550 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 19:27 - Mar 16 by icecoldjack |
I must add that many people had reservations about this appointment but were shouted down by others as being negative or un supportive.
I cant think of many other teams who would give the managers job to a player while in a relegation battle to stay in the richest league in the world! to me the level of delusion to expect something like that to be a massive success is laughable and many pointed the very same thing out at the time.
Its more to do with the board than monk himself , i just feel they have been etremely arrogant to think that Monk could walk in at manage at that level and save our season. |
I think it's fair to say that the vast majority on here viewed the plan to promote Monk in Laudrup's place as at best risky and at worse massively mental. For me at least the noticeable upturn in performance when he took over assuaged that fear a fair bit but the Palace and West Brom games have brought reality crashing down around all of us. |  |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 20:06 - Mar 16 with 1498 views | monmouth |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 19:34 - Mar 16 by exiledclaseboy |
I think it's fair to say that the vast majority on here viewed the plan to promote Monk in Laudrup's place as at best risky and at worse massively mental. For me at least the noticeable upturn in performance when he took over assuaged that fear a fair bit but the Palace and West Brom games have brought reality crashing down around all of us. |
We don't really know what reality is yet. The experiment has a way to run yet and, succeed or fail, we have no choice but to strap ourselves in. I hope that when we really come to evaluate it, it's the Cardiff game that sticks in the memory and not these two second halves. The Board needs to really think about next season though and earn their rewards rather than being stuck in an imaginary previous 'Swansea way' stereotype. |  |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 20:08 - Mar 16 with 1495 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 20:06 - Mar 16 by monmouth |
We don't really know what reality is yet. The experiment has a way to run yet and, succeed or fail, we have no choice but to strap ourselves in. I hope that when we really come to evaluate it, it's the Cardiff game that sticks in the memory and not these two second halves. The Board needs to really think about next season though and earn their rewards rather than being stuck in an imaginary previous 'Swansea way' stereotype. |
Yesterday seemed pretty damned real to me but I take your point of course. | |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 20:14 - Mar 16 with 1475 views | monmouth |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 20:08 - Mar 16 by exiledclaseboy |
Yesterday seemed pretty damned real to me but I take your point of course. |
Yeah even as I was writing it, my heart remains in my boots, but we really HAVE seen good and bad, and the good could still return, hopefully along with Dyer and Shelvey and Pabs at 10, | |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 20:14 - Mar 16 with 1474 views | Uxbridge |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 20:06 - Mar 16 by monmouth |
We don't really know what reality is yet. The experiment has a way to run yet and, succeed or fail, we have no choice but to strap ourselves in. I hope that when we really come to evaluate it, it's the Cardiff game that sticks in the memory and not these two second halves. The Board needs to really think about next season though and earn their rewards rather than being stuck in an imaginary previous 'Swansea way' stereotype. |
Let's hope so. The lack of fight shown yesterday is even more galling considering we completely outfought the basseys in Monk's first game. But then I thought Monk got his tactics bang on for that game, and he hasn't for the last two. |  |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 20:18 - Mar 16 with 1458 views | blaine_scfc |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 20:14 - Mar 16 by Uxbridge |
Let's hope so. The lack of fight shown yesterday is even more galling considering we completely outfought the basseys in Monk's first game. But then I thought Monk got his tactics bang on for that game, and he hasn't for the last two. |
The fight was there in the stoke away game also, in the worst conditions possible. I really thought we had turned the corner, but the last two performances against so called lesser teams has been worrying to say the least. |  | | |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 21:27 - Mar 16 with 1378 views | JackFish |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 20:18 - Mar 16 by blaine_scfc |
The fight was there in the stoke away game also, in the worst conditions possible. I really thought we had turned the corner, but the last two performances against so called lesser teams has been worrying to say the least. |
Very true, we played well at Stoke, much better than the previous two seasons up there, and their home record is very good this season.
The Liverpool performance was very good too, and of course we competed well with Napoli over two legs.
Unfortunately the last two home games have both had very poor second halves that have undone much of the good work done previously. |  | | |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 21:59 - Mar 16 with 1343 views | icecoldjack |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 21:27 - Mar 16 by JackFish |
Very true, we played well at Stoke, much better than the previous two seasons up there, and their home record is very good this season.
The Liverpool performance was very good too, and of course we competed well with Napoli over two legs.
Unfortunately the last two home games have both had very poor second halves that have undone much of the good work done previously. |
And they were the two games where we needed to win and manage under pressure.
Its easier to play the likes of Liverpool as everyone is relaxed and not expected to win(apart from Huw Jenkins expecting it) anyway, the mind set and mentality is then very different to when we need 3 pts at home to a relegation rival.
Ultimately its these games that will define our season and give us survival, Laudrups words to this effect were correct all along .
Its not over yet thats for sure, but im worried that our players have not yet quite realised the magnitude of the situation or if they have they are buckling under the pressure, each scenario is not a pretty one! | | | |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 22:28 - Mar 16 with 1307 views | FearOfAJackPlanet |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 21:27 - Mar 16 by JackFish |
Very true, we played well at Stoke, much better than the previous two seasons up there, and their home record is very good this season.
The Liverpool performance was very good too, and of course we competed well with Napoli over two legs.
Unfortunately the last two home games have both had very poor second halves that have undone much of the good work done previously. |
True. I'm one of those who was utterly amazed by the sacking of Laudrup and the appointment of Monk, and still think it was a rather bizarre panic move by the board, but I was heartily encouraged by the initial performances under Monk. I was devastated for the players after they got nothing from heroic performances against Liverpool and Napoli, and loved the passion shown at Stoke.
Just makes it more baffling why we looked so lacking in desire against teams in 'our league' in the Palace and WBA games when it mattered. |  |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 22:37 - Mar 16 with 1279 views | NeathJack |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 22:28 - Mar 16 by FearOfAJackPlanet |
True. I'm one of those who was utterly amazed by the sacking of Laudrup and the appointment of Monk, and still think it was a rather bizarre panic move by the board, but I was heartily encouraged by the initial performances under Monk. I was devastated for the players after they got nothing from heroic performances against Liverpool and Napoli, and loved the passion shown at Stoke.
Just makes it more baffling why we looked so lacking in desire against teams in 'our league' in the Palace and WBA games when it mattered. |
I'm not sure it was a lack of desire yesterday against WBA, more a complete and utter lack of composure in the second half.
I was sitting there wishing there were such things as timeouts in football as we desperately needed to stop the game in that second half and compose ourselves. |  | | |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 02:24 - Mar 17 with 1200 views | westside |
second halves against palace and wba we seemed to panic
maybe this is down to them thinking there is no manager on the touchline  |  | | |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 04:25 - Mar 17 with 1175 views | mikl0s |
I agree that replacing ML was the correct decision but would have waited until summer. Appointing Monk as interim manager shouldn't automatically mean half a season. Also the best game we've played post ML sacking the players said they won for him so that's something to keep in mind when attributing it to Monk's influence.
I'm worried that HJ will wait until summer for a new manager :/ [Post edited 17 Mar 2014 4:37]
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 04:34 - Mar 17 with 1171 views | mikl0s |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 13:23 - Mar 16 by icecoldjack |
And of course we know why that is dont we? Laudrup was shafted back in the summer when he fell out with the board over player signings.
To say he showed little ability is IMO is harsh, we are finding out that he was working against the chairman and some senior players who wernt inspired by training methods which is not exactly a recipe for success, Laudrup may well have been apathetic towards the end,especially when the board were signing the likes of emnes who laudrup said" didnt know much about him"
Throw in barbed comments from our chairman in the press every now and again and i think any decent bloke will start to lose a bit of inclination dont you agree ?
There were problems that needed sorting and the board didnt have the ability or inclination not Laudrup IMO.
The board got rid, and put a player in charge ,a guy that has no clue of management or coaching to a high standard, were we meant to improve drastically under a novice then ?
Ive gone into detail on other forums about how Laudrup looked to modify our playing style to keep the opposition guessing a little bit, if you dont evolve in the premier league you get found out fast .Rodgers knew his system was shot after 5 months and knew it was the right time to move n, laudrup came in and modified the system to great effect, he knew he had to keep modifying it though and this is where we will never know the truth.
Would Laudrups preferred signings have made that extra difference this season ?
"i felt the identity of our club was eroding away" i knew we would be in the mire when i read this, going back to playing the way we did a few years back under brenden was going to be far easier for teams to counter us and work us out, Monk has done just this and we are now etremely predictable to every team in the premier league.
Laudrup was getting us to play narrow for a reason,he was mixing our systems up a bit more for a reason,say what you like about laudrup he was mostly one step ahead of teams in the second half of games , after 45 mins under monk the opposite coach knows everything he needs to do .
Was Laudrup crap or was he just trying to make us less predictable ? was laudrup crap or was it more to do with him not getting his preferred choices to play his more modified systems ?
Was laudrup crap or were some of his senior players not quite buying into the idea of playing our game a slightly different way ?
The club sacked Laudrup because they felt they know better,the proff is that they dont !
Harsh but true. |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 07:24 - Mar 17 with 1110 views | dameedna |
Over 30 years, WBA and Palace have mostly had the better teams. WBA were better last year but seem to be struggling this year.
We lacked Michu, Shelvey, Dyer and Hernandez for most of the game which imo that makes a difference.
Prrobably only had JDG and Bony on the park capable of that.
Williams should have scored and we should have had a stonewall penalty v WBA.
Palace was not a penalty.
Let's see how we show up at Everton and Arsenal who are not fighting for their lives.
We have players. The 3 goals v Liverpool were exceptional and we played Napoli out of sight.
Injuries are form are going to be factors so let's see how we go, still reasons to be cheerful along with 10 other clubs who will year after year be in the same basket. |  | | |
| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 08:48 - Mar 17 with 1063 views | Private_Partz |
Fair points Dame Edna but these are the very reasons that ML got the sack - not getting results (despite injuries and Europa). I don't recall us saying 'we have lost to two teams in our league but lets see how we get on against Everton and Liverpool'.
Don't get me wrong. I really hope you are right and you have put forward a valid argument. | |
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| The hysterical over reaction to a defeat on 09:25 - Mar 17 with 1039 views | Jackanapes |
When we lost to Exeter back in 2003 I thought we were doomed. I felt similar walking out on Sat. The good news is we have 9 games left to turn it round, not two like we had back then(both of which we HAD to win). The bad news is that we have to watch them. [Post edited 17 Mar 2014 9:25]
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