| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga 11:08 - Sep 17 with 1577 views | dirk_doone |
Since Van Dijk and Fonte left, a phenomenal number of central defenders have passed through St Mary's, yet we still ended up with Stephens and Bednarek starting against Man United on Saturday.
Hoedt £15 mill
Vestergaard £20 mill
Danso £3 mill
Md Salisu £10 mill
Lyanco £5 mill
Holgate
Klarer
Caleta-Car £15 mill
Bella-Kotchap £10 mill
Harwood-Bellis £20 mill
Wood £3 mill
Edwards £3 mill
There are probably still 1 or 2 more I've forgotten. [Post edited 17 Sep 11:10]
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 11:18 - Sep 17 with 1519 views | PatfromPoole |
Sone right old turkeys in there.
Shame we don't still have Danso, mind. |  |
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 11:30 - Sep 17 with 1508 views | dirk_doone |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 11:18 - Sep 17 by PatfromPoole |
Sone right old turkeys in there.
Shame we don't still have Danso, mind. |
Yes, he's worth a lot more now, but we saw so little of him here, mostly played out of position, that few of us would have predicted that, although his first 2 Premier League games for us and the only ones in which he played more than 45 minutes, were a 2-0 win at Brighton and a 1-1 home draw with Man. United. We also had a few good cup results with him in the starting lineup. [Post edited 17 Sep 11:40]
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 11:41 - Sep 17 with 1480 views | DorsetIan |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 11:30 - Sep 17 by dirk_doone |
Yes, he's worth a lot more now, but we saw so little of him here, mostly played out of position, that few of us would have predicted that, although his first 2 Premier League games for us and the only ones in which he played more than 45 minutes, were a 2-0 win at Brighton and a 1-1 home draw with Man. United. We also had a few good cup results with him in the starting lineup. [Post edited 17 Sep 11:40]
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Last year Bednarek and Bellis formed the best partnership we've had for years.
Bellis is new to this level, but I would still be sticking with them both and thinking more about the 'protection' immediately in front of them, with Big Less looking good. |  |
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 11:44 - Sep 17 with 1461 views | Butty101 |
I thought danso was just a loan |  |
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 11:59 - Sep 17 with 1438 views | saintmark1976 |
If my maths is correct £104 million pounds spent, plus of course agents fees.
Speaks volumes for the quality of those employed by our club in a player recruitment role does it not ?
Pretty much the same currently. £70 million spent since the close season and we end up with a massive squad but only two Premiership quality players, Ramsdale and K W P. The remainder are inexperienced youngsters and older experienced underachievers. | |
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 12:02 - Sep 17 with 1418 views | TimSaint |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 11:30 - Sep 17 by dirk_doone |
Yes, he's worth a lot more now, but we saw so little of him here, mostly played out of position, that few of us would have predicted that, although his first 2 Premier League games for us and the only ones in which he played more than 45 minutes, were a 2-0 win at Brighton and a 1-1 home draw with Man. United. We also had a few good cup results with him in the starting lineup. [Post edited 17 Sep 11:40]
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Perhaps it escaped your memory, but you should have mentioned that Danso was sent off in that draw with Man Utd. His ridiculous tackle on McTominay earned him a 2nd yellow, which could easily have been a red on it's own. It left us at 1-1 with a man down for the last 20 minutes, so any credit in this match goes to Danso's team mates and definitely not to Danso himself. |  |
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 12:07 - Sep 17 with 1414 views | dirk_doone |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 12:02 - Sep 17 by TimSaint |
Perhaps it escaped your memory, but you should have mentioned that Danso was sent off in that draw with Man Utd. His ridiculous tackle on McTominay earned him a 2nd yellow, which could easily have been a red on it's own. It left us at 1-1 with a man down for the last 20 minutes, so any credit in this match goes to Danso's team mates and definitely not to Danso himself. |
No, I remember all that. That's why we let him go and we all, myself included, thought the Club was right to do so at the time.
I was also very happy when we managed to sell Vestergaard to Leicester, but one Championship trophy later, he's still there, playing in a defence that looks better than ours.
Finding good central defenders isn't easy and I'm not saying I'd have done any better. I thought that Christoph Klarer was going to be the answer to our prayers, but he's now playing for Birmingham in League One. [Post edited 17 Sep 12:10]
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 12:41 - Sep 17 with 1355 views | PatfromPoole |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 12:02 - Sep 17 by TimSaint |
Perhaps it escaped your memory, but you should have mentioned that Danso was sent off in that draw with Man Utd. His ridiculous tackle on McTominay earned him a 2nd yellow, which could easily have been a red on it's own. It left us at 1-1 with a man down for the last 20 minutes, so any credit in this match goes to Danso's team mates and definitely not to Danso himself. |
But was this partly not due to the genius Hassenhutl playing him at left-back, despite this clearly not being his best position?
He had a bit of a habit with doing this with various players….. | |
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 12:46 - Sep 17 with 1356 views | TimSaint |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 12:41 - Sep 17 by PatfromPoole |
But was this partly not due to the genius Hassenhutl playing him at left-back, despite this clearly not being his best position?
He had a bit of a habit with doing this with various players….. |
He was brought on at Wolves away to sure up the defence (1-1 (Ings)).
The trouble was he was asked to play Right Back, but he saw himself more of a Right Winger that day !! :-) | |
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 14:05 - Sep 17 with 1199 views | saint22 |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 11:41 - Sep 17 by DorsetIan |
Last year Bednarek and Bellis formed the best partnership we've had for years.
Bellis is new to this level, but I would still be sticking with them both and thinking more about the 'protection' immediately in front of them, with Big Less looking good. |
Exactly this
Ever since that partnership was disrupted by the return of Shoehorn Jack we have looked suspect
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 14:45 - Sep 17 with 1162 views | PatfromPoole |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 12:07 - Sep 17 by dirk_doone |
No, I remember all that. That's why we let him go and we all, myself included, thought the Club was right to do so at the time.
I was also very happy when we managed to sell Vestergaard to Leicester, but one Championship trophy later, he's still there, playing in a defence that looks better than ours.
Finding good central defenders isn't easy and I'm not saying I'd have done any better. I thought that Christoph Klarer was going to be the answer to our prayers, but he's now playing for Birmingham in League One. [Post edited 17 Sep 12:10]
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I have absolutely no memory of Christoph Klarer. | |
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 15:05 - Sep 17 with 1135 views | Ifonly |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 14:45 - Sep 17 by PatfromPoole |
I have absolutely no memory of Christoph Klarer. |
Looked good in the academy but, like so many, never made it to the big boys level. | | | |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 15:10 - Sep 17 with 1132 views | TimSaint |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 14:45 - Sep 17 by PatfromPoole |
I have absolutely no memory of Christoph Klarer. |
.......that would probably be because he never played for the first team !! :-) | |
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 15:15 - Sep 17 with 1123 views | Flamingbankers |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 11:59 - Sep 17 by saintmark1976 |
If my maths is correct £104 million pounds spent, plus of course agents fees.
Speaks volumes for the quality of those employed by our club in a player recruitment role does it not ?
Pretty much the same currently. £70 million spent since the close season and we end up with a massive squad but only two Premiership quality players, Ramsdale and K W P. The remainder are inexperienced youngsters and older experienced underachievers. |
I don't think it's quite as bad as you say; Premier standard, I would would say, are Rams, Suga, Bed, even ABK (although there's a question mark over whether he's seriously committed) KWP (although I don't rate him as a very good Prem defender) and potentially Downes, Fernandes, Uguchukwu and Dibbling). So one could argue that's a good basis for a decent Prem team. The trouble is, because we're not a fully formed Prem team, we're still going to be chasing coat-tails for a long part, of the intial part, of the season as a incomplete team capable of competing at the top level. [Post edited 17 Sep 15:17]
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| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 15:26 - Sep 17 with 1090 views | Ifonly |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 15:15 - Sep 17 by Flamingbankers |
I don't think it's quite as bad as you say; Premier standard, I would would say, are Rams, Suga, Bed, even ABK (although there's a question mark over whether he's seriously committed) KWP (although I don't rate him as a very good Prem defender) and potentially Downes, Fernandes, Uguchukwu and Dibbling). So one could argue that's a good basis for a decent Prem team. The trouble is, because we're not a fully formed Prem team, we're still going to be chasing coat-tails for a long part, of the intial part, of the season as a incomplete team capable of competing at the top level. [Post edited 17 Sep 15:17]
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Fair point but
- how many of these would be starters for a mid table Prem side? 2 maybe?
- there are no strikers on your list, where will the goals come from?
- I think that the likes of Fernandes, Uguchukwu and Dibbling will be Prem standard given some experience, but are they ready to win games today? Being ready in 6 months time won't work for us. | | | |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 16:00 - Sep 17 with 1061 views | dirk_doone |
| The Incredible Central Defensive Saga on 14:45 - Sep 17 by PatfromPoole |
I have absolutely no memory of Christoph Klarer. |
Tall Austrian we signed from Rapid Vienna as a teenager. He was one of the brightest stars in our academy for a few years. He was in the Saints U23 team tht won Premier League 2, then he moved to Fortuna Dusseldorf. | |
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