| Electric Cars 20:03 - Jul 25 with 15165 views | onehunglow |
OK then,who's gone the whole way.
Are we ready at forecourts nationwide and at repair shops
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| Electric Cars on 08:49 - Aug 5 with 1618 views | Whiterockin |
| Electric Cars on 08:42 - Aug 5 by felixstowe_jack |
I just use my fan to clear front windscreen. |
So much quicker with the air con. No comparison. |  | | |
| Electric Cars on 09:04 - Aug 5 with 1594 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 08:49 - Aug 5 by Whiterockin |
So much quicker with the air con. No comparison. |
If I need to do it quicker can always just turn heating on and point vents at windscreen. I find if you use fans in first place it does not mist up. | |
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| Electric Cars on 09:13 - Aug 5 with 1582 views | Boundy |
| Electric Cars on 08:42 - Aug 5 by felixstowe_jack |
I just use my fan to clear front windscreen. |
If you have to keep clearing your screen then there's damp inside the car . You don't need AC to clear the screen although it is quicker but start the heater off cold, then slowly increase the temperature as the air dries out, rather than overloading the cabin with hot, 'wet' air. | |
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| Electric Cars on 09:51 - Aug 5 with 1569 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 09:13 - Aug 5 by Boundy |
If you have to keep clearing your screen then there's damp inside the car . You don't need AC to clear the screen although it is quicker but start the heater off cold, then slowly increase the temperature as the air dries out, rather than overloading the cabin with hot, 'wet' air. |
Very rarely have to clear my windscreen even in Winter as car is in garage overnight. | |
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| Electric Cars on 11:06 - Aug 5 with 1552 views | krunchykarrot |
| Electric Cars on 22:27 - Jul 25 by swan85 |
I have a fully electric. Range is 330 miles.
I know people are concerned about charging and range. But unless you drive a lot of miles each day (eg sales rep), then charging at home is easier than going to a petrol station - I appreciate this isn’t an option for everyone, flats etc. But every 3 pin plug is a petrol station- just charging speed.
When out and about there are good fast chargers which make it nearly as quick as a petrol station. Some chargers are about 250kwh which for a car like a Tesla will charge it empty to full in 10 mins.
It’s just a change in way we think about journey. I find it easy to leave charging overnight on the driveway whilst i sleep. In a normal year under my old car I probably filled up away from 6-7 times a year…..of course electricity generation isn’t wholly green…..but at some point we need to consider using tidal to generate power…..it’s predictable and as an island we could lead the world in developing it….whether the Swansea lagoon or even a barrage across the Severn - which would produce about the same as Hinckley C, with all the costs that has and long term decommissioning etc…. |
Again i disagree, battery production and disposal is horrendous. What are the long term envioromental effects on wildlife with lagoons. Windfarms apparently dont kill or effect wildlife yet nobody has informed our feathered friends from what ive witnessed.
As ive stated before let them put windmills all over the Cotswolds and Malverns etc and lagoon wherever takes their English fancy. But no they are flooding our Welsh countryside, and even want to put them offshore in sight, seriously.
Petrol is cleaner than ever with better performance and infrastructure. I have experience with MEWPs and charging and would definately not buy electric car yet. And before we go there anybody thinking of getting rid of your gas boiler do your research.
Im not having a pop 85 just that we seem to be moving climate issue around without looking at the cost and benefit and risk assesment using Wales as a test case. |  | | |
| Electric Cars on 13:50 - Aug 5 with 1516 views | Catullus |
| Electric Cars on 11:06 - Aug 5 by krunchykarrot |
Again i disagree, battery production and disposal is horrendous. What are the long term envioromental effects on wildlife with lagoons. Windfarms apparently dont kill or effect wildlife yet nobody has informed our feathered friends from what ive witnessed.
As ive stated before let them put windmills all over the Cotswolds and Malverns etc and lagoon wherever takes their English fancy. But no they are flooding our Welsh countryside, and even want to put them offshore in sight, seriously.
Petrol is cleaner than ever with better performance and infrastructure. I have experience with MEWPs and charging and would definately not buy electric car yet. And before we go there anybody thinking of getting rid of your gas boiler do your research.
Im not having a pop 85 just that we seem to be moving climate issue around without looking at the cost and benefit and risk assesment using Wales as a test case. |
I tend to agree with you but it's always going to be a trade off, we have to pick the solution that has the most rewards for the least environmental damage, it'll be a balancing act. Where we find all the extra electricity for everyone to have an electric car is going to be a massive problem.
Can we build Hydro generation plants without needing to put them in lagoons? Could we just have tidal generation in deeper water that won't cause so much damage to habitat? We have to think differently, better and further ahead. If we talk about eco damage then Nuclear will always be an issue, all that waste to dispose of and the possibility of another Fukushima, that's far more than I am happy with. | |
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| Electric Cars on 15:02 - Aug 5 with 1489 views | Whiterockin |
| Electric Cars on 13:50 - Aug 5 by Catullus |
I tend to agree with you but it's always going to be a trade off, we have to pick the solution that has the most rewards for the least environmental damage, it'll be a balancing act. Where we find all the extra electricity for everyone to have an electric car is going to be a massive problem.
Can we build Hydro generation plants without needing to put them in lagoons? Could we just have tidal generation in deeper water that won't cause so much damage to habitat? We have to think differently, better and further ahead. If we talk about eco damage then Nuclear will always be an issue, all that waste to dispose of and the possibility of another Fukushima, that's far more than I am happy with. |
There will be some who are all for electric cars and will find ways to support their argument and others against who will do the same.
I'm not against electric cars in the long run but 6 years from now is too soon. We do not have the facilities in place to support electric cars for everyone in 6 years. Yes petrol and diesel cars will be in place until they run their course but many will have to keep their cars and not by new because they can not run electric. I stand to be corrected on anything I put forward because its only my thoughts. The biggest problem I see is many will not be able to charge at home. If you can not park outside your house be it terraced, flat or other reason how can you charge. They way forward with this would be a booster pack to charge inside your house during the day and put in your boot overnight and plug in to transfer the charge, similar to a booster for a mobile. Is it practical or not I don't know but how else will they be able to charge. Then think of people who tow a caravan. There are thousands, currently electric cars are not allowed to tow (I could be wrong), if true these would have to be towed by older cars, I can just imagine the carnage on the roads with breakdowns. The technology needs to catch up before we push on with this. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 16:55 - Aug 5 with 1448 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Electric Cars on 15:02 - Aug 5 by Whiterockin |
There will be some who are all for electric cars and will find ways to support their argument and others against who will do the same.
I'm not against electric cars in the long run but 6 years from now is too soon. We do not have the facilities in place to support electric cars for everyone in 6 years. Yes petrol and diesel cars will be in place until they run their course but many will have to keep their cars and not by new because they can not run electric. I stand to be corrected on anything I put forward because its only my thoughts. The biggest problem I see is many will not be able to charge at home. If you can not park outside your house be it terraced, flat or other reason how can you charge. They way forward with this would be a booster pack to charge inside your house during the day and put in your boot overnight and plug in to transfer the charge, similar to a booster for a mobile. Is it practical or not I don't know but how else will they be able to charge. Then think of people who tow a caravan. There are thousands, currently electric cars are not allowed to tow (I could be wrong), if true these would have to be towed by older cars, I can just imagine the carnage on the roads with breakdowns. The technology needs to catch up before we push on with this. |
You have made good points.
There are some other issues, for instance the addition of all the extra chargers of 7.5kws will mean an upgrade of the wiring to local areas and upgrades to the substations.
There will be massive issues in the supply of the specialised minerals for the batteries, which in turn will lead to major increases in their prices.
There is the issue of battery disposal and battery safety because of fires that are virtually impossibly to put out.
Then we get to the extra taxation to replace fuel duty on the FF cars that the government will have to do.
Definitely quite a few issues to overcome. | | | |
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| Electric Cars on 18:05 - Aug 5 with 1423 views | Whiterockin |
| Electric Cars on 16:55 - Aug 5 by A_Fans_Dad |
You have made good points.
There are some other issues, for instance the addition of all the extra chargers of 7.5kws will mean an upgrade of the wiring to local areas and upgrades to the substations.
There will be massive issues in the supply of the specialised minerals for the batteries, which in turn will lead to major increases in their prices.
There is the issue of battery disposal and battery safety because of fires that are virtually impossibly to put out.
Then we get to the extra taxation to replace fuel duty on the FF cars that the government will have to do.
Definitely quite a few issues to overcome. |
Exactly, it is not as simple as all new cars electric in 6 years. Put the structure in place then go electric. Those who are in a position to go electric can go now, its stupid to force it on the rest. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 18:13 - Aug 5 with 1420 views | Boundy |
| Electric Cars on 11:06 - Aug 5 by krunchykarrot |
Again i disagree, battery production and disposal is horrendous. What are the long term envioromental effects on wildlife with lagoons. Windfarms apparently dont kill or effect wildlife yet nobody has informed our feathered friends from what ive witnessed.
As ive stated before let them put windmills all over the Cotswolds and Malverns etc and lagoon wherever takes their English fancy. But no they are flooding our Welsh countryside, and even want to put them offshore in sight, seriously.
Petrol is cleaner than ever with better performance and infrastructure. I have experience with MEWPs and charging and would definately not buy electric car yet. And before we go there anybody thinking of getting rid of your gas boiler do your research.
Im not having a pop 85 just that we seem to be moving climate issue around without looking at the cost and benefit and risk assesment using Wales as a test case. |
I'm interested in knowing exactly what you've witnessed ? regarding the location of windfarms there are many off shore and onshore sites throughout the UK not just Wales , we all need to power but like so many NIMBY .Planning consent to new builds has been considerably relaxed in Wales by our very own Senedd hence the impact on the landscape . | |
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| Electric Cars on 23:29 - Aug 5 with 1369 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Electric Cars on 18:13 - Aug 5 by Boundy |
I'm interested in knowing exactly what you've witnessed ? regarding the location of windfarms there are many off shore and onshore sites throughout the UK not just Wales , we all need to power but like so many NIMBY .Planning consent to new builds has been considerably relaxed in Wales by our very own Senedd hence the impact on the landscape . |
Why don't you take look at the amount of energy produced by billions of pounds worth of wind turbines over the last 3 months.
There is absolutely no way they can be used to charge the EVs, they don't even produce enough for the rest of our current needs.
They have even had to run coal fired power stations, that is now bad it has been. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 07:35 - Aug 6 with 1348 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 23:29 - Aug 5 by A_Fans_Dad |
Why don't you take look at the amount of energy produced by billions of pounds worth of wind turbines over the last 3 months.
There is absolutely no way they can be used to charge the EVs, they don't even produce enough for the rest of our current needs.
They have even had to run coal fired power stations, that is now bad it has been. |
We will never produce all our electricity by wind alone. That is why we need to build new nuclear power stations to supply our base load . Nuclear only provided 17% of UK power last year, wind 18% solar 4% and coal 1.7% with gas providing 42%
Biomass and the interconnects provided the rest.
Germany closed its nuclear power stations and is now totally dependent on Russian gas with a new pipeline due to open shortly. Interestingly this pipeline had been built entirely underneath the sea from Russia via the Baltic sea so it does not cross any other countries land and will not be subject to interference.
Germany will be total at the mercy of Putin. | |
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| Electric Cars on 08:37 - Aug 6 with 1339 views | krunchykarrot |
| Electric Cars on 18:13 - Aug 5 by Boundy |
I'm interested in knowing exactly what you've witnessed ? regarding the location of windfarms there are many off shore and onshore sites throughout the UK not just Wales , we all need to power but like so many NIMBY .Planning consent to new builds has been considerably relaxed in Wales by our very own Senedd hence the impact on the landscape . |
Take a ride around some of the trails in Afan Argoed, as for NIMBY you cant blame them as they have had dirty slag heaps or opencast mines etc. Now that they have regenerated the valleys they want to put 250m turbines all over our countryside.
As for planning consent farmers are going to take the cash ive heard that it can be 15K per turbine, and effectively bribing loca sportsl clubs etc. Now im not some Greta Thunderbird type or Welsh independance supporter id get rid of Drakeford and his lot tomorrow, I just think they are taking liberties in Wales.
People actually thought the Swansea Lagoon experiment was a good idea, all i know for certain is that they continue to dredge sand off our bay and its disappearing from beaches for years. We have had Labour MPs locally for years and we still have raw shite being discharged in the River Neath which sums up exactly why they walk all over us. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 18:14 - Aug 6 with 1283 views | Boundy |
| Electric Cars on 08:37 - Aug 6 by krunchykarrot |
Take a ride around some of the trails in Afan Argoed, as for NIMBY you cant blame them as they have had dirty slag heaps or opencast mines etc. Now that they have regenerated the valleys they want to put 250m turbines all over our countryside.
As for planning consent farmers are going to take the cash ive heard that it can be 15K per turbine, and effectively bribing loca sportsl clubs etc. Now im not some Greta Thunderbird type or Welsh independance supporter id get rid of Drakeford and his lot tomorrow, I just think they are taking liberties in Wales.
People actually thought the Swansea Lagoon experiment was a good idea, all i know for certain is that they continue to dredge sand off our bay and its disappearing from beaches for years. We have had Labour MPs locally for years and we still have raw shite being discharged in the River Neath which sums up exactly why they walk all over us. |
No argument from me , but the increase in new builds is down to the Senedd ( labour run) opening up the countryside but this is repeated throughout the UK , not sure what local sports clubs can gain from a windfarm being built , the money given to the landowner is a wayleave agreement little different in principle when pylons are built although if your figure is correct then 15k is substantially more than it is for having a a pylon with a much bigger footprint than a turbine | |
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| Electric Cars on 18:58 - Aug 6 with 1271 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 18:14 - Aug 6 by Boundy |
No argument from me , but the increase in new builds is down to the Senedd ( labour run) opening up the countryside but this is repeated throughout the UK , not sure what local sports clubs can gain from a windfarm being built , the money given to the landowner is a wayleave agreement little different in principle when pylons are built although if your figure is correct then 15k is substantially more than it is for having a a pylon with a much bigger footprint than a turbine |
The payment for a wind turbine is much higher than for a pylon. You are correct pylons have wayleaves payments which are very small.
The difference is a business owning the wind turbine is renting the the land and as a stand alone revenue earner pays the land owner a lot more. The same applies to mobile telephone mast which also pay a good annual rental. | |
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| Electric Cars on 19:02 - Aug 6 with 1271 views | swan85 |
| Electric Cars on 11:06 - Aug 5 by krunchykarrot |
Again i disagree, battery production and disposal is horrendous. What are the long term envioromental effects on wildlife with lagoons. Windfarms apparently dont kill or effect wildlife yet nobody has informed our feathered friends from what ive witnessed.
As ive stated before let them put windmills all over the Cotswolds and Malverns etc and lagoon wherever takes their English fancy. But no they are flooding our Welsh countryside, and even want to put them offshore in sight, seriously.
Petrol is cleaner than ever with better performance and infrastructure. I have experience with MEWPs and charging and would definately not buy electric car yet. And before we go there anybody thinking of getting rid of your gas boiler do your research.
Im not having a pop 85 just that we seem to be moving climate issue around without looking at the cost and benefit and risk assesment using Wales as a test case. |
No worries, not taken as a pop at all. You raise really good points which I agree with. The mining of the material for electric batteries and recycling does need addressing to minimise impact and (hopefully) make electric cars better than petrol from cradle to grave.
Regarding power generation I agree with you, we do need to watch we don’t lurch from one dirty way of producing to another. Comments on here about wind power over last few months are valid. But similarly I don’t agree with nuclear power stations like Hinckley. The lifecycle costs and impact are not properly looked at in my view. Rolls-Royce mini modular might be a better way.
That said the only area of power we can be sure of that is predictable is the sea/tidal. The lagoon would have caused other issues, but I believe - as an island this power generation has to be the way we look to our future needs, whilst making sure we don’t just foul up the oceans. A barrage across the Severn would be good, I read that it could create 7% of U.K. energy……but only at surges of twice a day, so we would need to store the power…..environmental impact I’ve read a bit and it isn’t wholly without issue. But harnesses the power from wave technology without damning, is where it would be good if we looked at generation - which I’m sure they are…..will have a read as our ability to create power in a green way, fascinates me. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 13:45 - Dec 30 with 879 views | thame_hoops |
Thinking of biting the bullet and getting an EV. However, I live in a flat/apartment. I won’t be able to charge at home very easily.
Is it feasible to get an electric vehicle and rely on charging points? We will have a charging point at my office where I go once a week. But this is 70 miles away. Appears to be several charging points around me where I could drop the car off and grab a coffee or work from the café for a few hours while it’s charging, that’s not a problem. I know charging points offer different costs/speeds. I drive around 400 miles a week max and my idea is to integrate charging when I go about my daily travels. For instance, the gym, supermarket, driving into London. all should have charging points readily available, I would assume.
Just wondered what any of you all have done.
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| Electric Cars on 16:02 - Dec 30 with 799 views | Whiterockin |
| Electric Cars on 13:45 - Dec 30 by thame_hoops |
Thinking of biting the bullet and getting an EV. However, I live in a flat/apartment. I won’t be able to charge at home very easily.
Is it feasible to get an electric vehicle and rely on charging points? We will have a charging point at my office where I go once a week. But this is 70 miles away. Appears to be several charging points around me where I could drop the car off and grab a coffee or work from the café for a few hours while it’s charging, that’s not a problem. I know charging points offer different costs/speeds. I drive around 400 miles a week max and my idea is to integrate charging when I go about my daily travels. For instance, the gym, supermarket, driving into London. all should have charging points readily available, I would assume.
Just wondered what any of you all have done.
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One of the first questions to ask is, how long is the warranty on the battery and what is the cost of a replacement. Not a problem if you are going to lease, but even if you are going to change in 3 years it will effect your sell on if the battery warranty is five years. The battery's don't just stop, your range gets shorter as they wear out. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 17:25 - Dec 30 with 771 views | Flashberryjack |
| Electric Cars on 16:02 - Dec 30 by Whiterockin |
One of the first questions to ask is, how long is the warranty on the battery and what is the cost of a replacement. Not a problem if you are going to lease, but even if you are going to change in 3 years it will effect your sell on if the battery warranty is five years. The battery's don't just stop, your range gets shorter as they wear out. |
My car has come up to 3 year old, been considering changing to all electric, done quite a bit of research with people that have had electric for 2 years.
After weighing up pros and cons, I've decided to stick to petrol for the time being. |  |
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| Electric Cars on 21:12 - Dec 30 with 713 views | controversial_jack |
| Electric Cars on 17:25 - Dec 30 by Flashberryjack |
My car has come up to 3 year old, been considering changing to all electric, done quite a bit of research with people that have had electric for 2 years.
After weighing up pros and cons, I've decided to stick to petrol for the time being. |
After seeing the queues for filling up for petrol which takes a few minutes, the queues to charge cars will be horrendous | | | |
| Electric Cars on 23:42 - Dec 30 with 696 views | Boundy |
One thing I'd also look into before purchasing EV is who will service it , to work it on it means being adjacent to up to 800volts just two hundred short of it being in the High voltage range which although is DC can still create problems .I've heard that some garages are still not up to speed, nor want to be or have the technical knowledge to work on such vehicles. | |
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| Electric Cars on 23:47 - Dec 30 with 683 views | Dr_Winston |
When electric vehicles can do 300 miles on a five minute charge then I will consider buying one. Until then it'll be hybrid at best. |  |
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| Electric Cars on 09:46 - Dec 31 with 638 views | onehunglow |
As a country,we are still nowhere near to being ready for mass ownership on EVs. | |
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| Electric Cars on 10:20 - Dec 31 with 627 views | mangohilljack |
The Fire brigade do NOT carry the tools to put a lithium fire out immediately.
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| Electric Cars on 11:47 - Dec 31 with 594 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Electric Cars on 23:47 - Dec 30 by Dr_Winston |
When electric vehicles can do 300 miles on a five minute charge then I will consider buying one. Until then it'll be hybrid at best. |
I have looked and according to Tesla themselves you can get approx 200 miles of charge in about 15 minutes.
It's still not good enough, you can get 600 miles of petrol in 5 minutes and there are nearly always enough pumps so you don't have to queue.
Those batteries are also an ecological night mare, they need replacing at very great cost in about 10 years and are even ore polluting than a current conventional car battery. | | | |
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