| If you voted Leave....... 11:18 - Jul 9 with 24744 views | westwalesed |
…….and there was a 2nd Referendum, as the "Peoples Vote" brigade (oh the irony) want to have, how would you vote?
Hypothetically if the question was:
a) Accept the Current Deal (assuming it doesn't get watered down further) or
b) Leave the EU with No Deal in place.
I'm appealing to people here, don't let this be hijacked, no insults and petty points. Just a statement of how you voted originally would vote now, and why?
So to kick off:
I voted Leave.
I would vote to leave without a deal.
I would do so because I believe that the only way of the UK getting the deal it wants is to negotiate from a position of full Sovereign Independence.
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| If you voted Leave....... on 12:30 - Jul 12 with 1601 views | Nookiejack |
| If you voted Leave....... on 12:25 - Jul 12 by Shaky |
The thing is all countries face strategic problems. All countries.
What they typically try to do is to plan sensibly, build in contingencies and mitigate risks as far as possible.
Britain appears alone in buying into a 100 unknown speculative fantasy. Or perhaps currently 30% speculative given all the elements that have already been exposed as a sham. |
Yes a sham like The Bank of England’s Brexit forecasts.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/05/chief-ec | | | |
| If you voted Leave....... on 12:42 - Jul 12 with 1583 views | londonlisa2001 |
| If you voted Leave....... on 12:13 - Jul 12 by Nookiejack |
In the Guardian today
Germany and Russia gas links: Trump is not only one to ask questions
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/11/germany-a
“Donald Trump may have used typically emotive — if premeditated — language from the outset at the Nato summit in Brussels to lambast Germany for its willingness to build a gas pipeline, but the US president’s view that this will make Europe particularly dependent on Russian gas is widely shared by European politicians, thinktanks and energy specialists, including some in Berlin.” |
Yes. We know that. But that’s not the point i was making.
It’s pointless posting anything nookie if you don’t respond to the post but instead repeat your previous point which is not relevant.
Again.
Trump is concerned that Europe will take Russian gas not US coal / oil / gas. The problem of energy dependence is a real one, but Europe being dependent on the US is Trump’s aim. | | | |
| If you voted Leave....... on 12:47 - Jul 12 with 1571 views | Shaky |
| If you voted Leave....... on 12:26 - Jul 12 by Nookiejack |
The Eurozone is truly at a tipping point - take current Italian situation - then don’t also forget that the issues of the Greek debt still haven’t been sorted out. German creditors essentially to take a haircut on the debts Greece can simply not pay back.
If we run £80bn trade deficit with the EU - that means we create aggregate demand in Europe - that has a much greater multipler affect than the initial £80billion.
If I buy a good off a shopkeeper, the shopkeeper then has income to buy bread from a baker, the baker then has income to buy meat from a butcher and so on.
So it is not negligible and you only need a small economic shock in the Eurozone at the moment to bring it all down. |
You are trying to repolish the same turd the Brexiters peddled before the referendum.
Get out quick and avoid the rush before the EU collapses.
You have the gall to criticise the Bank of England's complex peer reviews economic forecasts, when your own wild-eyed prophesies have been shown to be absolutely worthless. |  |
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| If you voted Leave....... on 13:09 - Jul 12 with 1544 views | vetchonian |
| If you voted Leave....... on 11:47 - Jul 12 by Nookiejack |
The P&L calculation is likely to end up being better - if we are allowed to negotiate our own trade deals with growing parts of the world - rather than the sclerotic EU.
Your doom and gloom end of the world scenario will not happen - if a sensible Canada Plus deal is negotiated.
The Eurozone is likely to break up though - given its current perilous state - if it takes an additional £80bn aggregate demand hit. |
Question how can this happen..how much of what we currently sell to the EU is saleable elsewhere?
FO example
THe wings from AIrbus go to Airbus specifically the faciltiy exists for them.....so if they do decide to withdraw that value of sales is lost....never to be replaced!
Components for the Mini that great British icon now owned by Germany come to the UK from Germany then the Mini is exported.....Assembly of the Minin could be moved to the EU...along with the export sales to US,China,et al and so it continues this talk of trade deals with non EU countries has flaws as the UK has very little UK owned manufactures of finished products.....lots of component makers but they are in exisiting supply chains....PLeasde tell me what goods the UK have to offer that we currently sell only yto the EU that these other countries will clamour for?
The EU relies on the free borders for lots of the exisitng trade to work... | |
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| If you voted Leave....... on 13:24 - Jul 12 with 1536 views | Kerouac |
| If you voted Leave....... on 11:23 - Jul 12 by Shaky |
You're right, the 50% number is just goods exports. i misspoke |
You misspoke?
You write the sentence;
"...but Canada isn't reliant on the EU for half of it's GDP"
...and it wasn't immediately obvious there was something wrong with that sentence!?
You f*cking "misspoke"!?!?!?
Idiot. |  |
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| If you voted Leave....... on 14:02 - Jul 12 with 1505 views | peenemunde |
| If you voted Leave....... on 13:09 - Jul 12 by vetchonian |
Question how can this happen..how much of what we currently sell to the EU is saleable elsewhere?
FO example
THe wings from AIrbus go to Airbus specifically the faciltiy exists for them.....so if they do decide to withdraw that value of sales is lost....never to be replaced!
Components for the Mini that great British icon now owned by Germany come to the UK from Germany then the Mini is exported.....Assembly of the Minin could be moved to the EU...along with the export sales to US,China,et al and so it continues this talk of trade deals with non EU countries has flaws as the UK has very little UK owned manufactures of finished products.....lots of component makers but they are in exisiting supply chains....PLeasde tell me what goods the UK have to offer that we currently sell only yto the EU that these other countries will clamour for?
The EU relies on the free borders for lots of the exisitng trade to work... |
We have an £80 billion trade surplus with the Eu, so could you explain where the Eu will be able to make up the that £80 billion short-fall ?
It doesn’t matter which way you try and paint it - £80 billion short - fall would never be made up. |  | | |
| If you voted Leave....... on 14:07 - Jul 12 with 1497 views | Batterseajack |
| If you voted Leave....... on 14:02 - Jul 12 by peenemunde |
We have an £80 billion trade surplus with the Eu, so could you explain where the Eu will be able to make up the that £80 billion short-fall ?
It doesn’t matter which way you try and paint it - £80 billion short - fall would never be made up. |
sooooo....if we hold out long enough and genuinely threaten a no deal, the EU will eventually cave in to our demands? | | | |
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| If you voted Leave....... on 14:17 - Jul 12 with 1482 views | vetchonian |
| If you voted Leave....... on 14:02 - Jul 12 by peenemunde |
We have an £80 billion trade surplus with the Eu, so could you explain where the Eu will be able to make up the that £80 billion short-fall ?
It doesn’t matter which way you try and paint it - £80 billion short - fall would never be made up. |
Read my post!
There is a lot of trade of components both ways lot of components arre shipped to the UK for fitting to things like the Mini....so assembly of the Mini moves to the EU.....the sales fr the Mini to US,CHina,India et al goes to the EU...! | |
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| If you voted Leave....... on 14:27 - Jul 12 with 1463 views | Shaky |
| If you voted Leave....... on 13:24 - Jul 12 by Kerouac |
You misspoke?
You write the sentence;
"...but Canada isn't reliant on the EU for half of it's GDP"
...and it wasn't immediately obvious there was something wrong with that sentence!?
You f*cking "misspoke"!?!?!?
Idiot. |
I replied to 3 posts in 1 minute; look it up.
But unlike yourself I will readily admit if i make a mistake, whereas you are of the Dim-school that argues to the bitter end even when it obvious to everybody else that you have ballsed it up. Don't you?
It's what makes you such a tough-guy. And object of general ridicule. | |
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| If you voted Leave....... on 14:42 - Jul 12 with 1451 views | Humpty |
| If you voted Leave....... on 10:38 - Jul 12 by peenemunde |
Liberalism is killing this country and many other European countries.
I’d happily support anyone who puts this country interests first.
And he or she will arrive shortly, the way things are going.
Democracy is not dead in this country. |
How can you say that with a straight face?
You do not put this country's interests first yourself.
A so called ally imposes tariffs on us that put British jobs at risk, including Welsh steelworkers, and you start a thread on here congratulating him on it.
A hostile foreign state attacks British citizens with chemical weapons on our streets, leading to the death of an innocent bystander and you invent laughable conspiracy theories rather than condemn them for it.
I don't get this new British nationalism where people celebrate foreign states f*cking us over and murdering our citizens. |  | | |
| If you voted Leave....... on 15:10 - Jul 12 with 1426 views | wobbly |
I love Humpty! |  | | |
| If you voted Leave....... on 15:12 - Jul 12 with 1415 views | Batterseajack |
| If you voted Leave....... on 14:42 - Jul 12 by Humpty |
How can you say that with a straight face?
You do not put this country's interests first yourself.
A so called ally imposes tariffs on us that put British jobs at risk, including Welsh steelworkers, and you start a thread on here congratulating him on it.
A hostile foreign state attacks British citizens with chemical weapons on our streets, leading to the death of an innocent bystander and you invent laughable conspiracy theories rather than condemn them for it.
I don't get this new British nationalism where people celebrate foreign states f*cking us over and murdering our citizens. |
Its a weird type of nationalism which hates a significant proportion of its own population. [Post edited 12 Jul 2018 15:13]
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| If you voted Leave....... on 15:59 - Jul 12 with 1388 views | longlostjack |
| If you voted Leave....... on 14:42 - Jul 12 by Humpty |
How can you say that with a straight face?
You do not put this country's interests first yourself.
A so called ally imposes tariffs on us that put British jobs at risk, including Welsh steelworkers, and you start a thread on here congratulating him on it.
A hostile foreign state attacks British citizens with chemical weapons on our streets, leading to the death of an innocent bystander and you invent laughable conspiracy theories rather than condemn them for it.
I don't get this new British nationalism where people celebrate foreign states f*cking us over and murdering our citizens. |
It really is bizarre. |  |
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| If you voted Leave....... on 20:25 - Jul 12 with 1332 views | Kerouac |
| If you voted Leave....... on 14:27 - Jul 12 by Shaky |
I replied to 3 posts in 1 minute; look it up.
But unlike yourself I will readily admit if i make a mistake, whereas you are of the Dim-school that argues to the bitter end even when it obvious to everybody else that you have ballsed it up. Don't you?
It's what makes you such a tough-guy. And object of general ridicule. |
"whereas you are of the Dim-school that argues to the bitter end even when it obvious to everybody else that you have ballsed it up"
F*ck me where's Warwick!
"whereas you are of the Dim-school that argues to the bitter end (COMMA) even when it IS obvious to everybody else that you have ballsed it up"
I am of the "Dim-school" 
Me?
Here is a little exercise you could do to improve your self awareness Disco Clown.
Go back through this thread and count up your contributions Vs my contributions.
Count up how many pages you appear on Vs me.
Count up how many times your contribution merely concerns having a go at another poster Vs contributing to the debate.
Then f*ck off, you tw*t .
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| If you voted Leave....... on 20:50 - Jul 12 with 1319 views | peenemunde |
| If you voted Leave....... on 14:42 - Jul 12 by Humpty |
How can you say that with a straight face?
You do not put this country's interests first yourself.
A so called ally imposes tariffs on us that put British jobs at risk, including Welsh steelworkers, and you start a thread on here congratulating him on it.
A hostile foreign state attacks British citizens with chemical weapons on our streets, leading to the death of an innocent bystander and you invent laughable conspiracy theories rather than condemn them for it.
I don't get this new British nationalism where people celebrate foreign states f*cking us over and murdering our citizens. |
You don’t get it, you say.
Well that’s because you have been subliminally brain washed which means you swallow the narrative from the likes of the bbc who themselves are just a propaganda tool for the establishment. | | | |
| If you voted Leave....... on 20:57 - Jul 12 with 1303 views | Humpty |
| If you voted Leave....... on 20:50 - Jul 12 by peenemunde |
You don’t get it, you say.
Well that’s because you have been subliminally brain washed which means you swallow the narrative from the likes of the bbc who themselves are just a propaganda tool for the establishment. |
That's possible.
Could you recommend some unbiased sources of information I could use that would give me greater understanding?
Thanks. | | | |
| If you voted Leave....... on 21:33 - Jul 12 with 1274 views | Shaky |
| If you voted Leave....... on 20:25 - Jul 12 by Kerouac |
"whereas you are of the Dim-school that argues to the bitter end even when it obvious to everybody else that you have ballsed it up"
F*ck me where's Warwick!
"whereas you are of the Dim-school that argues to the bitter end (COMMA) even when it IS obvious to everybody else that you have ballsed it up"
I am of the "Dim-school"
Me?
Here is a little exercise you could do to improve your self awareness Disco Clown.
Go back through this thread and count up your contributions Vs my contributions.
Count up how many pages you appear on Vs me.
Count up how many times your contribution merely concerns having a go at another poster Vs contributing to the debate.
Then f*ck off, you tw*t .
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i clearly was mistaken. Dim could come up with weak piss like that in 20 seconds flat whereas it took you 6 hours. | |
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| If you voted Leave....... on 23:37 - Jul 12 with 1235 views | Kerouac |
| If you voted Leave....... on 21:33 - Jul 12 by Shaky |
i clearly was mistaken. Dim could come up with weak piss like that in 20 seconds flat whereas it took you 6 hours. |
Dimi/E20, if you are reading, 'yes' you have become the go to reference point on this board for an example of a "tw*t".
Shakes is after your crown though.
Watch your ass. | |
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| If you voted Leave....... on 01:19 - Jul 13 with 1209 views | deanscfc |
I genuinely find it sad that those who voted leave are still trying to defend their position two years on when it's blatantly clear they never had a workable plan for Brexit or all the issues it presents. Just admit you and your politicians/campaigners made a mistake...simple really when you put ego to one side. | | | |
| If you voted Leave....... on 01:38 - Jul 13 with 1200 views | Highjack |
| If you voted Leave....... on 01:19 - Jul 13 by deanscfc |
I genuinely find it sad that those who voted leave are still trying to defend their position two years on when it's blatantly clear they never had a workable plan for Brexit or all the issues it presents. Just admit you and your politicians/campaigners made a mistake...simple really when you put ego to one side. |
You used to be 100% positive in support of Brexit Dean. What changed your mind? |  |
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| If you voted Leave....... on 08:34 - Jul 13 with 1157 views | Nookiejack |
| If you voted Leave....... on 01:19 - Jul 13 by deanscfc |
I genuinely find it sad that those who voted leave are still trying to defend their position two years on when it's blatantly clear they never had a workable plan for Brexit or all the issues it presents. Just admit you and your politicians/campaigners made a mistake...simple really when you put ego to one side. |
David Davis’ plan was for a Canada Plus Plus Plus deal.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-42298971
The political elite in Westminster have blocked Brexit all the way. Too much vested interest. | | | |
| If you voted Leave....... on 09:38 - Jul 13 with 1124 views | WarwickHunt |
| If you voted Leave....... on 01:38 - Jul 13 by Highjack |
You used to be 100% positive in support of Brexit Dean. What changed your mind? |
Reality?
Just a guess like... |  | | |
| If you voted Leave....... on 09:44 - Jul 13 with 1118 views | WarwickHunt |
You just need a “mainstream media” to win today’s Brexit bingo, Nooks.
Eyes down... | | | |
| If you voted Leave....... on 09:45 - Jul 13 with 1116 views | Batterseajack |
So as Brexit Minister, how come you think he couldn't deliver it?
And don't give it the old "remainers stopped him", there are plenty of Brexit people in the government who backed him. | | | |
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