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| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:26 - Nov 7 with 1884 views | fbreath |
That was dross Norwich set up for a draw and we had no clues how to score. Eder on with few minutes to go pointless.
Needs big shake up in attitude from players and manager. Garry can give all the positive talks he likes in interviews but the proof is in the pudding
Players arguing with each other not a good vibe |  |
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| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:27 - Nov 7 with 1871 views | Phil_S |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:24 - Nov 7 by AngelRangelQS |
But you're still reducing the creativity of the side substantially by doing it.
1-0 down with 10 minutes left, did we really need a defensive midfielder on the pitch? |
Said it many times that we should always have one of Cork or Britton on the pitch
But ideally from the start not when we go 1-0 down
The side remains unbalanced with certain players shoehorned in to get game time and that needs to change
We were far better balanced last season |  | | |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:27 - Nov 7 with 1861 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:24 - Nov 7 by AngelRangelQS |
But you're still reducing the creativity of the side substantially by doing it.
1-0 down with 10 minutes left, did we really need a defensive midfielder on the pitch? |
We could have brought on a brick wall today for Shelvey and not reduced the creativity of the side.
As I say, I don't think it's bringing Britton on to change the midfield from a 2 defensive plus 1 attacking to the other way round - it's the choice of Siggy to come off that was wrong in my view. |  | | |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:29 - Nov 7 with 1828 views | union_jack |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:18 - Nov 7 by londonlisa2001 |
This!
It's obvious the balance is wrong, yet we select the same team every week. |
Stubbornness, pride, intransigence. Dangerous traits in a situation like this. This is why I think it would be better for all if he went now, not in 1,2,3 or more games.
I have not paced when he speaks he always talks about 'my' players which smacks a bit of insecurity in his part. He has to make the point to everyone who is boss. Someone with more confidence would not refer to them like that as they would be certain of their authority. A small thing but something I've noticed from the beginning. |  |
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| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:29 - Nov 7 with 1823 views | AnotherJohn |
Garry was just on SSN. The phrase that stuck in my mind was: 'no threat until that one chance'. Unfortunately I saw a different game where Norwich wrestled control from us early in the second half, and later came close twice in a two minute spell before eventually scoring. Garry's body language and downcast eyes did not look good to me. | | | |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:29 - Nov 7 with 1822 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:27 - Nov 7 by londonlisa2001 |
We could have brought on a brick wall today for Shelvey and not reduced the creativity of the side.
As I say, I don't think it's bringing Britton on to change the midfield from a 2 defensive plus 1 attacking to the other way round - it's the choice of Siggy to come off that was wrong in my view. |
And leaving Gomis on wasn't? | | | |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:30 - Nov 7 with 1805 views | Private_Partz |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:27 - Nov 7 by Phil_S |
Said it many times that we should always have one of Cork or Britton on the pitch
But ideally from the start not when we go 1-0 down
The side remains unbalanced with certain players shoehorned in to get game time and that needs to change
We were far better balanced last season |
Completely agree Phil and against some of the top sides both should be on the pitch. |  |
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| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:31 - Nov 7 with 1761 views | AngelRangelQS |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:27 - Nov 7 by Phil_S |
Said it many times that we should always have one of Cork or Britton on the pitch
But ideally from the start not when we go 1-0 down
The side remains unbalanced with certain players shoehorned in to get game time and that needs to change
We were far better balanced last season |
Absolutely agree.
I don't think we've got the balance right in the middle of the park or out wide |  | | |
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| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:31 - Nov 7 with 1756 views | GeoffThom |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:23 - Nov 7 by Phil_S |
This is probably it for me - not sure that changing the manager will have the effect but we have an inexperienced management team throughout and we need someone to be prepared to make the change
Shelvey, Ki, Gylfi, Gomis, Ayew, Montero - all of them are capable of scoring goals yet none of them look like even coming close at the moment and that needs to be addressed
Cannot remember who said it but 66% possession and no shots on goal tells you what is wrong at the moment and it goes deeper than any one individual |
Correct me if I'm wrong but the manager sets up his management team and if it all goes wrong the manager cops it ,so let's stop fancying about because gm has been her for years we owe him ,many a club stalwart has been sacked across the land and I'm sorry if some don't like it gm has had his turn time for a rethink |  | | |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:34 - Nov 7 with 1718 views | Private_Partz |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:29 - Nov 7 by A_Fans_Dad |
And leaving Gomis on wasn't? |
Gomis is not the problem AFD. Just as a train arriving late is not the train's fault! | |
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| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:34 - Nov 7 with 1715 views | lidojack |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:21 - Nov 7 by londonlisa2001 |
to push JJS and Ki further up the pitch.
The choice was not as defensive as some are making out, although I would have taken JJS off rather than Siggy and pushed Ki on to play with Siggy.
But without Britton or Cork on the pitch, we have two midfielders playing on top of each other and a huge gap in front of them. |
I know the reasons behind it but moving a poor Shelvey 15 yards further forward to replace someone who was starting to show a bit more is hardly going to be the spark we need to change the game.
And what's probably more baffling is that he chose Leon over Cork who can be that defensive sitter as well as a better forward passer. |  | | |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:34 - Nov 7 with 1702 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:29 - Nov 7 by A_Fans_Dad |
And leaving Gomis on wasn't? |
I was only talking about that one substitution.
I've said for weeks now that playing Montero, Gomis and Ayew together doesn't work.
It's not only Gomis' fault - the service to him is awful. It's not helped by his form either of course. | | | |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:35 - Nov 7 with 1699 views | snork44 |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:24 - Nov 7 by barry_island |
Tactics that is... |
If Phil is beginning to question things then that looks worrying! I would say that we see what happens in the Bournemouth game and if we lose, then the board should say to Garry , you need help and if he refuses that offer then the board should then consider his position. |  |
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| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:38 - Nov 7 with 1638 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:29 - Nov 7 by union_jack |
Stubbornness, pride, intransigence. Dangerous traits in a situation like this. This is why I think it would be better for all if he went now, not in 1,2,3 or more games.
I have not paced when he speaks he always talks about 'my' players which smacks a bit of insecurity in his part. He has to make the point to everyone who is boss. Someone with more confidence would not refer to them like that as they would be certain of their authority. A small thing but something I've noticed from the beginning. |
I've been supportive of Monk since his appointment.
But his current inability to make difficult choices (and possibly override what Huw wants) is rapidly changing my mind. We are unwilling to drop either of our two most expensive players and they don't work together.
If players play badly that's one thing, a team out of balance is another. And this team has ben out of balance for weeks. Monk's seeming inability to see that or address it because of the amount we pay them every week is very worrying. | | | |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:39 - Nov 7 with 1625 views | barry_island |
We need to get 3 points out of the Bournemouth game. I'm not sure this side will get a point. | |
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| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:40 - Nov 7 with 1607 views | icecoldjack |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:16 - Nov 7 by londonlisa2001 |
It may be unwelcome to say so, but unless we try him up front, I'm not certain what Ayew brings to the team.
He can't beat a man for pace, can't tackle and gets in the way because his positional sense is so poor. He's also arguing with his team mates all the time.
We saw more from Routs in that 20 minute spell than from either Ayew or Montero in the whole game. |
I agree RE Routs , i thought he showed a bit of pace had guile,touch and a desire to get onto the ball and try something.
Many say he is the most skillfull player at the club and in fairness it showed today, he looked world class compared to how pedestrian some of our lot looked!
It has to be said that some of the players just look totally fooked off with each other, i know none of them like losing but the body language of the team looks all wrong.
I sense there are issues in the squad myself. They aint running through any brick walls for Monk at the moment thats for sure. |  | | |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:40 - Nov 7 with 1604 views | Private_Partz |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:34 - Nov 7 by lidojack |
I know the reasons behind it but moving a poor Shelvey 15 yards further forward to replace someone who was starting to show a bit more is hardly going to be the spark we need to change the game.
And what's probably more baffling is that he chose Leon over Cork who can be that defensive sitter as well as a better forward passer. |
Do you honestly believe that Corky is better than Leon Lido? I tend to go with Corky as he is younger and is the future. It is Leon for me at the moment based on the few cameos I have seen do recently. Whatever, we should never take the field without at least one of them | |
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| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:40 - Nov 7 with 1598 views | Phil_S |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:31 - Nov 7 by AngelRangelQS |
Absolutely agree.
I don't think we've got the balance right in the middle of the park or out wide |
If I look back to thoughts at the start of the season, the midfield would have been
1 of Cork or Britton
Ki
Shelvey or Sigurdsson
Now three months on it would be
1 of Cork or Britton
1 of Ki or Shelvey
1 of Sigurdsson or Ayew
Routledge/Barrow/Montero to provide the width (would have added Dyer to that if he was still here)
Gomis or Eder up front (or possibly Ayew I still think is worth a shot)
We definitely though don't have the balance right as you say and it is baffling as to why we keep trying to make it work when it clearly isn't | | | |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:41 - Nov 7 with 1587 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:34 - Nov 7 by lidojack |
I know the reasons behind it but moving a poor Shelvey 15 yards further forward to replace someone who was starting to show a bit more is hardly going to be the spark we need to change the game.
And what's probably more baffling is that he chose Leon over Cork who can be that defensive sitter as well as a better forward passer. |
As I said, I would have taken Shelvey off.
Whether Britton or Cork - I am not too bothered - at least it gives a bit more balance whichever it is. | | | |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:41 - Nov 7 with 1584 views | Flashberryjack |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:38 - Nov 7 by londonlisa2001 |
I've been supportive of Monk since his appointment.
But his current inability to make difficult choices (and possibly override what Huw wants) is rapidly changing my mind. We are unwilling to drop either of our two most expensive players and they don't work together.
If players play badly that's one thing, a team out of balance is another. And this team has ben out of balance for weeks. Monk's seeming inability to see that or address it because of the amount we pay them every week is very worrying. |
Monk does have KOL and Beatie to help him make choices. |  |
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| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:41 - Nov 7 with 1580 views | lovejuicejack |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:39 - Nov 7 by barry_island |
We need to get 3 points out of the Bournemouth game. I'm not sure this side will get a point. |
It will still not be enough unless there are 20 bournemouths in the prem this season |  | | |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:41 - Nov 7 with 1578 views | monmouth |
Some players are clearly untouchable whereas others are clearly on the naughty step. It all feels a bit childish...in a 'with us or against us' fashion. If that is the case it is never a good place to be for any manager. If it were me, Ayew, Gomis, Shelvey, and maybe Montero (but we don't really have another winger) would not be starting the next game. Cork, Eder, Routledge and Maybe Britton to flood the midfield would be. I'd also have a damn good think about Fernandez, Williams and Amat. |  |
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| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:41 - Nov 7 with 1578 views | midswan |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:16 - Nov 7 by londonlisa2001 |
It may be unwelcome to say so, but unless we try him up front, I'm not certain what Ayew brings to the team.
He can't beat a man for pace, can't tackle and gets in the way because his positional sense is so poor. He's also arguing with his team mates all the time.
We saw more from Routs in that 20 minute spell than from either Ayew or Montero in the whole game. |
correct..... | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 17:42 - Nov 7 with 1558 views | midswan |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:16 - Nov 7 by londonlisa2001 |
It may be unwelcome to say so, but unless we try him up front, I'm not certain what Ayew brings to the team.
He can't beat a man for pace, can't tackle and gets in the way because his positional sense is so poor. He's also arguing with his team mates all the time.
We saw more from Routs in that 20 minute spell than from either Ayew or Montero in the whole game. |
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| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:43 - Nov 7 with 1539 views | WarwickHunt |
| The Official Norwich City v Swansea City Matchday Thread on 17:41 - Nov 7 by Flashberryjack |
Monk does have KOL and Beatie to help him make choices. |
I hope that was gallows humour - it made me laugh anyway. |  | | |
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