| Refilling the trough on 20:40 - Jan 8 with 781 views | Kilkennyjack |
Serious question - Is there anything welsh that you are supportive of ?
You appear to dislike all things linked to Wales and cant wait to rabble rouse.
Do you think that of all the peoples of Europe that - uniquely - the welsh cannot be trusted to run their own affairs …?
Always remember that a new door for the House of Lords alone recently cost £7m - see we can all claim faux outrage. ‘Refiling the uk trough’ perhaps a next story for you then ? ?
The suggested pay rise has come from an independent body.
So not really sure what else they can do ? Maybe refuse it or give to charity ? |  |
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| Refilling the trough on 20:48 - Jan 8 with 772 views | Luther27 |
| Refilling the trough on 20:40 - Jan 8 by Kilkennyjack |
Serious question - Is there anything welsh that you are supportive of ?
You appear to dislike all things linked to Wales and cant wait to rabble rouse.
Do you think that of all the peoples of Europe that - uniquely - the welsh cannot be trusted to run their own affairs …?
Always remember that a new door for the House of Lords alone recently cost £7m - see we can all claim faux outrage. ‘Refiling the uk trough’ perhaps a next story for you then ? ?
The suggested pay rise has come from an independent body.
So not really sure what else they can do ? Maybe refuse it or give to charity ? |
I’ll try to smile at your comments when my 5% plus council tax increase pops through my letter box. I’ll have fond memories of how much the signage for 20mph costs and oh how I’ll laugh when I think of the cost of an increase in the Senedd to be followed by the associated increase for staff and office space.
Independent Wales my backside….those leaches should be on the dole and that building be turned into a refugee Center for all I care. |  | | |
| Refilling the trough on 20:55 - Jan 8 with 759 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Refilling the trough on 20:40 - Jan 8 by Kilkennyjack |
Serious question - Is there anything welsh that you are supportive of ?
You appear to dislike all things linked to Wales and cant wait to rabble rouse.
Do you think that of all the peoples of Europe that - uniquely - the welsh cannot be trusted to run their own affairs …?
Always remember that a new door for the House of Lords alone recently cost £7m - see we can all claim faux outrage. ‘Refiling the uk trough’ perhaps a next story for you then ? ?
The suggested pay rise has come from an independent body.
So not really sure what else they can do ? Maybe refuse it or give to charity ? |
Do you really think that the leader of a country of less than 3.5 million in a devolved government that hasn't even got full powers deserves more money than the PM of the entire UK?
The seond bit, completely irrelevant and not mentioned by the OP
The third bit, whataboutery.
Now the last bit, I remember independent bodies recommending pay rises before, when Westminster got 11% and the Senedd 18% the politicians said they couldn't turn it down yet when independent bodies suggested pay rises for the police, NHS and teachers the governments said they couldn't afford it and made reduced offers. It's one rule for the politico's and a different rule for the rest of us.
It's a simple question, Kilky, do you think the Welsh FM deserves a bigger pay packet than the UKPM? | | | |
| Refilling the trough on 21:02 - Jan 8 with 735 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Refilling the trough on 20:48 - Jan 8 by Luther27 |
I’ll try to smile at your comments when my 5% plus council tax increase pops through my letter box. I’ll have fond memories of how much the signage for 20mph costs and oh how I’ll laugh when I think of the cost of an increase in the Senedd to be followed by the associated increase for staff and office space.
Independent Wales my backside….those leaches should be on the dole and that building be turned into a refugee Center for all I care. |
He posted that when he's fully aware that quite a few on here would like a vote on abolishing the Senedd.
Personally, at a time when Welsh essential services are short of money, short of resources and failing by most measures, giving politicians who haven't even got full powers over Wales such a pay packet seems crazy to me. You wouldn't give a regional manager a bigger pay packet than the CEO. | | | |
| Refilling the trough on 21:24 - Jan 8 with 687 views | Luther27 |
| Refilling the trough on 21:02 - Jan 8 by SullutaCreturned |
He posted that when he's fully aware that quite a few on here would like a vote on abolishing the Senedd.
Personally, at a time when Welsh essential services are short of money, short of resources and failing by most measures, giving politicians who haven't even got full powers over Wales such a pay packet seems crazy to me. You wouldn't give a regional manager a bigger pay packet than the CEO. |
I really feel we are fast returning to the days of peasantry by every charlatan that poses as a politician. I am sick to death these people forcing every sort of bull crap policy down my throat and telling me to pay for it.
If any politician was told they couldn’t claim for second homes…transport…council tax…heating costs etc etc would these parasites still do the job? No they bloody well wouldn’t. So why should I do my job to fund them? | | | |
| Refilling the trough on 22:38 - Jan 8 with 610 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Refilling the trough on 20:55 - Jan 8 by SullutaCreturned |
Do you really think that the leader of a country of less than 3.5 million in a devolved government that hasn't even got full powers deserves more money than the PM of the entire UK?
The seond bit, completely irrelevant and not mentioned by the OP
The third bit, whataboutery.
Now the last bit, I remember independent bodies recommending pay rises before, when Westminster got 11% and the Senedd 18% the politicians said they couldn't turn it down yet when independent bodies suggested pay rises for the police, NHS and teachers the governments said they couldn't afford it and made reduced offers. It's one rule for the politico's and a different rule for the rest of us.
It's a simple question, Kilky, do you think the Welsh FM deserves a bigger pay packet than the UKPM? |
No - thats why i never said it.
Whats your view on it ? | |
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| Refilling the trough on 22:46 - Jan 8 with 601 views | onehunglow |
More learning Welsh though so not all bad then | |
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| Refilling the trough on 22:58 - Jan 8 with 590 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Refilling the trough on 22:38 - Jan 8 by Kilkennyjack |
No - thats why i never said it.
Whats your view on it ? |
My considered opinion is that it stinks. |  |
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| Refilling the trough on 03:53 - Jan 9 with 499 views | raynor94 |
Absolutely disgusting, and it won't be long before there are another bunch vying to get their snouts in the trough. |  |
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| Refilling the trough on 05:17 - Jan 9 with 484 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Refilling the trough on 22:46 - Jan 8 by onehunglow |
More learning Welsh though so not all bad then |
That is a positive thing agreed, but hardly even a side issue in this debate.
Only you have mentioned it. | |
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| Refilling the trough on 14:55 - Jan 9 with 346 views | Boundy |
| Refilling the trough on 20:40 - Jan 8 by Kilkennyjack |
Serious question - Is there anything welsh that you are supportive of ?
You appear to dislike all things linked to Wales and cant wait to rabble rouse.
Do you think that of all the peoples of Europe that - uniquely - the welsh cannot be trusted to run their own affairs …?
Always remember that a new door for the House of Lords alone recently cost £7m - see we can all claim faux outrage. ‘Refiling the uk trough’ perhaps a next story for you then ? ?
The suggested pay rise has come from an independent body.
So not really sure what else they can do ? Maybe refuse it or give to charity ? |
Serious questions :
1. are you as dim as you appear to be and want to reward failure.
2. Do you agree that a leader of a devalued failing /failed government where the systemic failure of job creation , Health care, education , social welfare which is the equivalent of some 3rd world countries , where the reading skills of our children are some of the worst in Europe, where people die waiting for medical care , where our transport system is falling apart , where job creation is purely centred in the south east of the country. is she really worthy of a pay scale higher than the Prime Minister ? if so then you should be certified.
You like too many others are quick to defend the negative actions of the Welsh leadership because they cannot do wrong due to your and their immature view on the world. | |
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| Refilling the trough on 17:08 - Jan 9 with 287 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Refilling the trough on 14:55 - Jan 9 by Boundy |
Serious questions :
1. are you as dim as you appear to be and want to reward failure.
2. Do you agree that a leader of a devalued failing /failed government where the systemic failure of job creation , Health care, education , social welfare which is the equivalent of some 3rd world countries , where the reading skills of our children are some of the worst in Europe, where people die waiting for medical care , where our transport system is falling apart , where job creation is purely centred in the south east of the country. is she really worthy of a pay scale higher than the Prime Minister ? if so then you should be certified.
You like too many others are quick to defend the negative actions of the Welsh leadership because they cannot do wrong due to your and their immature view on the world. |
The reads like the list of Tory failure at Westmonster over 14 years.
Minus the grooming gangs that Tory party did nothing much about. The recommendations were not acted on.
So Tata is allowed to fail at Port Talbot, whilst creating 4,000 new jobs in Tory Somerset at the same time. Rightio …..
So £4billion is owed to Wakes through the HS2 robbery alone. Might help transport you might think ?
When you mature, you may realise that politics is about choices.
Westmonster will never decide that Wales is a priority. [Post edited 9 Jan 17:10]
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| Refilling the trough on 17:17 - Jan 9 with 269 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Refilling the trough on 17:08 - Jan 9 by Kilkennyjack |
The reads like the list of Tory failure at Westmonster over 14 years.
Minus the grooming gangs that Tory party did nothing much about. The recommendations were not acted on.
So Tata is allowed to fail at Port Talbot, whilst creating 4,000 new jobs in Tory Somerset at the same time. Rightio …..
So £4billion is owed to Wakes through the HS2 robbery alone. Might help transport you might think ?
When you mature, you may realise that politics is about choices.
Westmonster will never decide that Wales is a priority. [Post edited 9 Jan 17:10]
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Oh the irony of you saying "when you mature"
Who allowed Tata to fail?
That 4 billion, it migjht help transport except the Senedd's ruling party doesn't like building new roads so they'd probably spend the bulk of it making the South East metro system larger.
Politics is about choices yes but what choice do you have in Wales? We elect people who then go on to do exactly as they please and pat themselves on the back for all their failures. And yes, I know, it's been exactly the same in London/England. | | | |
| Refilling the trough on 19:36 - Jan 9 with 218 views | union_jack |
| Refilling the trough on 17:17 - Jan 9 by SullutaCreturned |
Oh the irony of you saying "when you mature"
Who allowed Tata to fail?
That 4 billion, it migjht help transport except the Senedd's ruling party doesn't like building new roads so they'd probably spend the bulk of it making the South East metro system larger.
Politics is about choices yes but what choice do you have in Wales? We elect people who then go on to do exactly as they please and pat themselves on the back for all their failures. And yes, I know, it's been exactly the same in London/England. |
“When you mature” then he used the term Westmonster 😂😂 |  |
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| Refilling the trough on 19:57 - Jan 9 with 189 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Refilling the trough on 19:36 - Jan 9 by union_jack |
“When you mature” then he used the term Westmonster 😂😂 |
Well done for understanding that, fair play.
I am impressed. | |
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| Refilling the trough on 20:09 - Jan 9 with 177 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Refilling the trough on 17:17 - Jan 9 by SullutaCreturned |
Oh the irony of you saying "when you mature"
Who allowed Tata to fail?
That 4 billion, it migjht help transport except the Senedd's ruling party doesn't like building new roads so they'd probably spend the bulk of it making the South East metro system larger.
Politics is about choices yes but what choice do you have in Wales? We elect people who then go on to do exactly as they please and pat themselves on the back for all their failures. And yes, I know, it's been exactly the same in London/England. |
Well the UK govt privatised British Steel…..
That decision put Tata in the driving seat to make such a shameful decision in Port Talbot. 3,000 jobs gone. Jan 2024.
But worse, they allowed them to put 4,000 new Tata jobs (supply chain is on top) into Somerset, England at the same time. Feb 2024.
If that does not hack you off then i cant help you.
The uk Tory govt have shafted Port Talbot. Fact. | |
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| Refilling the trough on 20:19 - Jan 9 with 168 views | Boundy |
| Refilling the trough on 17:08 - Jan 9 by Kilkennyjack |
The reads like the list of Tory failure at Westmonster over 14 years.
Minus the grooming gangs that Tory party did nothing much about. The recommendations were not acted on.
So Tata is allowed to fail at Port Talbot, whilst creating 4,000 new jobs in Tory Somerset at the same time. Rightio …..
So £4billion is owed to Wakes through the HS2 robbery alone. Might help transport you might think ?
When you mature, you may realise that politics is about choices.
Westmonster will never decide that Wales is a priority. [Post edited 9 Jan 17:10]
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Mature , I'm surprised you can spell it let alone place into a sentence .
So basically the WAG made choices to ensure the poor were kept poor, the uneducated remained uneducated, the unemployed remained unemployed, the sick to remain sick , the money provided to the Welsh government by central government was by choice providing free trees to each individual ( My tree Our Forest) at a cost of 2million or grants of between £1,000 to £5,000 to develop plans for new woodland creation or by choice provided Uganda millions to allow them to plant over 24 million tree seedlings distributed to thousands of farmers across the Mbale region free of charge as part of a target of reaching 50 million trees by 2030.
and also "Supported thousands of foreign farmers with sustainable livelihood options such as beekeeping, vegetable growing and village saving loans to make communities more resilient to the impact of climate change. to ensure the bond between Wales and Uganda strengthened." really.
Provided over3.3 million pounds to Sustrans to enable them to have a major say in policy making which has affects thousands of motorists with the 20 mph limits and by choice in doing so admits that an already weak economy will lose up to 9 billion pounds because of this policy.
The list of poor choices made by 3rd rate Welsh politicians is endless as is your constant boring tirades. | |
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| Refilling the trough on 22:52 - Jan 9 with 89 views | majorraglan |
| Refilling the trough on 20:19 - Jan 9 by Boundy |
Mature , I'm surprised you can spell it let alone place into a sentence .
So basically the WAG made choices to ensure the poor were kept poor, the uneducated remained uneducated, the unemployed remained unemployed, the sick to remain sick , the money provided to the Welsh government by central government was by choice providing free trees to each individual ( My tree Our Forest) at a cost of 2million or grants of between £1,000 to £5,000 to develop plans for new woodland creation or by choice provided Uganda millions to allow them to plant over 24 million tree seedlings distributed to thousands of farmers across the Mbale region free of charge as part of a target of reaching 50 million trees by 2030.
and also "Supported thousands of foreign farmers with sustainable livelihood options such as beekeeping, vegetable growing and village saving loans to make communities more resilient to the impact of climate change. to ensure the bond between Wales and Uganda strengthened." really.
Provided over3.3 million pounds to Sustrans to enable them to have a major say in policy making which has affects thousands of motorists with the 20 mph limits and by choice in doing so admits that an already weak economy will lose up to 9 billion pounds because of this policy.
The list of poor choices made by 3rd rate Welsh politicians is endless as is your constant boring tirades. |
I’m vehemently against the 20mph speed limit and would scrap much of it. The rationale behind the £9bn over 30 years is by no means scientific or proven and was calculated by the Treasury by adding a cost to each journey made. An extra minute on a journey to visit a relative doesn’t really impact on the economy, whereas HGV’s, workers stuck in traffic jams around the Brynglas tunnels and the M4 between Margam and Llanelli does.
Time for the 20mph limit to go in most places and to sort out Newport. If Morgan and Drakers don’t like it, then let’s get shot of them. I’d also look to increase the speed limit on the new road around port talbot to encourage traffic off the M4 at busy times. [Post edited 9 Jan 23:14]
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