| Rest of the Championship thread 11:07 - Aug 10 with 85340 views | Hunterhoop |
Toyed with this idea last season. Shall we have a thread to discuss, comment on, cover the rest of the league? A place to discuss other teams’ results, performances, financial implosions, etc?
For example, last night, anyone catch either of the first two games? I didn’t. But somewhat surprised/worried Blackburn scored 4 given how they are meant to struggle. Was it Derby being utter sh*te?
Sounds like Preston are continuing in the same vein of being incredibly dull.
Clive, what do you think? Worth making a sticky? Might reduce the number of threads to manage. |  | | |  |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 20:52 - Jan 4 with 2911 views | BlackCrowe |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 20:49 - Jan 4 by numptydumpty |
Teams in the bottom half that played either only drew or lost.
So, a draw takes us 14th and a win on Monday and we are top of the bottom half, in 13th.
And if we are 13th, next three games away to the bottom two and then home to Sheffield Wednesday,
Never predict !!! |
Yep today's results couldn't realistically gone too much better for us. Assuming we can get that win on Monday, which is far from a given obvs. |  |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:01 - Jan 4 with 2696 views | Hunterhoop |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 20:49 - Jan 4 by numptydumpty |
Teams in the bottom half that played either only drew or lost.
So, a draw takes us 14th and a win on Monday and we are top of the bottom half, in 13th.
And if we are 13th, next three games away to the bottom two and then home to Sheffield Wednesday,
Never predict !!! |
Never predict…but it is reasonable to say that this month is our season.
IF we have a very good month, we will be looking up not down. We’ll have a lovely run in to May with faint hopes of sneaking a play off spot.
If we have a very bad month, we will be in the thick of a relegation battle. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:15 - Jan 4 with 2606 views | Lblock |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:01 - Jan 4 by Hunterhoop |
Never predict…but it is reasonable to say that this month is our season.
IF we have a very good month, we will be looking up not down. We’ll have a lovely run in to May with faint hopes of sneaking a play off spot.
If we have a very bad month, we will be in the thick of a relegation battle. |
Turn it in mentioning the Play Offs mate!!!
My yardstick is to always have 10 to 12 points as a buffer zone to be “almost relaxed” at this level. The three game weeks mean the change is rapid.
A win on Monday would be massive and wins against five of those below us next couple of months would be stuff of dreams.
Always wary of things like Dull City scoring 3 against Leeds and the fact that Rotherham stayed up one year from a position of being nothing but a carcass and Birmingham and others have dropped from being comfortably 12th in January |  |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:18 - Jan 4 with 2602 views | Red_Ranger |
Luton! - dropping like a stone! What could go wrong? |  | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:41 - Jan 4 with 2516 views | Hunterhoop |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:15 - Jan 4 by Lblock |
Turn it in mentioning the Play Offs mate!!!
My yardstick is to always have 10 to 12 points as a buffer zone to be “almost relaxed” at this level. The three game weeks mean the change is rapid.
A win on Monday would be massive and wins against five of those below us next couple of months would be stuff of dreams.
Always wary of things like Dull City scoring 3 against Leeds and the fact that Rotherham stayed up one year from a position of being nothing but a carcass and Birmingham and others have dropped from being comfortably 12th in January |
I’m not L Block. But if we won all our games in Jan, which isn’t impossible, we’ve be very comfortably mid table. At that point, people would start dreaming. That’s all.
I’m more worried we lose to Luton, Hull, and Plymouth and we are suddenly bottom 3 again! | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 01:07 - Jan 5 with 2285 views | Match82 |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 15:47 - Jan 4 by Lblock |
As we approach HT in today’s fixtures I am amazed that Oxford currently sit above us in the table.
This is why another thread on here about teams who will be in the scrap brought me out in hives.
We are a million miles (or 8 wins) from being safe or being able to pass judgement on other teams.
Not a particularly brilliant set of other results for us at moment |
Do think anybody thinks we are safe do they? Think its more that we have gone from having a high probability of dropping to a good probability of surviving.
For what it's worth over here the bookies have us at odds which imply a 15% probability of relegation. But they've only listed 8 teams you can bet on. I might have our odds a little more likely than that personally (and we know bookies aren't always right) but being one of 8
10 teams and on the lower end of probability of those teams feels about right? [Post edited 5 Jan 1:08]
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 01:44 - Jan 5 with 2236 views | johncharles |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:41 - Jan 4 by Hunterhoop |
I’m not L Block. But if we won all our games in Jan, which isn’t impossible, we’ve be very comfortably mid table. At that point, people would start dreaming. That’s all.
I’m more worried we lose to Luton, Hull, and Plymouth and we are suddenly bottom 3 again! |
Beware of the teams fighting relegation. The top 6 are playing for promotion, the bottom 6 teams are fighting for their lives. |  |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 04:29 - Jan 5 with 2135 views | saxbend |
My hope for this season is to be mathematically safe one or two games before we're mathematically not making the playoffs. |  | | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 06:16 - Jan 5 with 2071 views | nix |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:18 - Jan 4 by Red_Ranger |
Luton! - dropping like a stone! What could go wrong? |
Especially as they have lost their last nine away matches - the longest losing streak in the top four tiers ( courtesy BBC Sport).. Of course that's the time to meet Charity Park Rangers... |  | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 06:21 - Jan 5 with 2066 views | SydneyRs |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:41 - Jan 4 by Hunterhoop |
I’m not L Block. But if we won all our games in Jan, which isn’t impossible, we’ve be very comfortably mid table. At that point, people would start dreaming. That’s all.
I’m more worried we lose to Luton, Hull, and Plymouth and we are suddenly bottom 3 again! |
I keep thinking Luton have to be better than their league position suggests. Hopefully they don't show that on Monday. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 10:07 - Jan 7 with 1586 views | londonscottish |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 06:21 - Jan 5 by SydneyRs |
I keep thinking Luton have to be better than their league position suggests. Hopefully they don't show that on Monday. |
The stats on BBC Sport were interesting - a lot of the key ones were 50:50. Some were 55:45 in QPR's favour but, overall, it was very tight.
So, in retrospect, last night's result is even better; QPR grinding a result out Warnock-style and riding a bit of luck along the way.
As Marti said in his post match interview "I believe in forcing your own luck in life". |  |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 10:12 - Jan 7 with 1546 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 10:07 - Jan 7 by londonscottish |
The stats on BBC Sport were interesting - a lot of the key ones were 50:50. Some were 55:45 in QPR's favour but, overall, it was very tight.
So, in retrospect, last night's result is even better; QPR grinding a result out Warnock-style and riding a bit of luck along the way.
As Marti said in his post match interview "I believe in forcing your own luck in life". |
At least he didn't go with Fox's post-match interview cliché: "you make your own luck".
You don't. It's why they call it luck. |  |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 10:19 - Jan 7 with 1519 views | hubble |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 10:12 - Jan 7 by BrianMcCarthy |
At least he didn't go with Fox's post-match interview cliché: "you make your own luck".
You don't. It's why they call it luck. |
Well Brian, I think Gary Players' famous line (attributed to him, anyway) stands as a counterpoint to that view: The more I practice, the luckier I get. |  |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 10:40 - Jan 7 with 1468 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 10:19 - Jan 7 by hubble |
Well Brian, I think Gary Players' famous line (attributed to him, anyway) stands as a counterpoint to that view: The more I practice, the luckier I get. |
I love that line.
It completely does away with the notion of luck, or at least the idea of using it as an excuse. | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 16:41 - Jan 9 with 1015 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 10:40 - Jan 7 by BrianMcCarthy |
I love that line.
It completely does away with the notion of luck, or at least the idea of using it as an excuse. |
My personal favourite quote in sport is from the great Michael Jordan.
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed.
I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. "
No such thing as luck, practice practice practice. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 17:38 - Jan 9 with 885 views | londonscottish |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 16:41 - Jan 9 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
My personal favourite quote in sport is from the great Michael Jordan.
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed.
I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. "
No such thing as luck, practice practice practice. |
Nile Rodgers was once asked how it felt to have written so many massive hits.
He said he didn't always feel like success because people didn't realise he'd also written thousands of songs which had done absolutely nothing.
Another person with a tireless work ethic who's very demanding on himself. Making his own luck. | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 17:47 - Jan 9 with 838 views | Hunterhoop |
Except that “luck” as a concept is undeniable. It exists. None of us control everything that impacts us.
All those quotes above are actually nothing to do with luck and misusing the word to make a pithy comment. They are all referring to things they control: how hard they work, how much practice they do, how they react to things, etc, etc. And their mentalities are superb. Focus on what you control and influence; try not to focus on what concerns you but which you don’t control or influence. Covey’s circles. One of the traits of highly effective people. Massive fan of this.
But there are lots of things your don’t and can’t control or influence. And they can impact your life. That is luck.
I always find anyone who doesn’t acknowledge the role luck has played in their life quite arrogant. Should those born into hardship have worked harder in the womb or a previous life? Should those struck down my cancer or similar have tried harder? Should the person hit by a car spinning off the road done something different? Of course not, it’s bad luck. Once you accept bad luck exists, so must good luck.
Everyone successful has experienced good luck in their life, many have experienced it a lot. Doesn’t mean they haven’t worked hard or lack talent, but no one should deny luck. It’s not an excuse. It’s being grounded and realistic. We are not in control of entire world and it’s arrogant to think everything you have is because of you and not in some part down to luck. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 17:48 - Jan 9 with 837 views | Hunterhoop |
In other news…bad day to be an Ex-Watford manager.
Enough of them, I suppose. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 19:09 - Jan 9 with 722 views | Doudou87 |
Sunderland close to agreeing a loan for Enzo Le Fée, Roma spent €23 mil on him, worked under Regis Le Bris at Lorient. Could prove a very good signing. Must be on big wages. | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:59 - Jan 9 with 494 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 17:47 - Jan 9 by Hunterhoop |
Except that “luck” as a concept is undeniable. It exists. None of us control everything that impacts us.
All those quotes above are actually nothing to do with luck and misusing the word to make a pithy comment. They are all referring to things they control: how hard they work, how much practice they do, how they react to things, etc, etc. And their mentalities are superb. Focus on what you control and influence; try not to focus on what concerns you but which you don’t control or influence. Covey’s circles. One of the traits of highly effective people. Massive fan of this.
But there are lots of things your don’t and can’t control or influence. And they can impact your life. That is luck.
I always find anyone who doesn’t acknowledge the role luck has played in their life quite arrogant. Should those born into hardship have worked harder in the womb or a previous life? Should those struck down my cancer or similar have tried harder? Should the person hit by a car spinning off the road done something different? Of course not, it’s bad luck. Once you accept bad luck exists, so must good luck.
Everyone successful has experienced good luck in their life, many have experienced it a lot. Doesn’t mean they haven’t worked hard or lack talent, but no one should deny luck. It’s not an excuse. It’s being grounded and realistic. We are not in control of entire world and it’s arrogant to think everything you have is because of you and not in some part down to luck. |
I agree with all of that, Hunter. Superb post.
Luck in life, in birth, in geography, in whther our parents had food for us, what century we were born in, whether we were born in war-draft times...absolutely.
I just disagree with using bad luck in a game situation as a crutch, and this is not aimed at you, of course, or anyone.
Alfie Lloyd unlucky not to score?
He shot twice, he missed twice.
Close, and I feel for him, but luck did not enter the equation.
He'll train harder, he'll learn more, he hopefully will improve.
And when he does, he'll score.
And luck will have nothing to do with it. | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 23:16 - Jan 9 with 447 views | Hunterhoop |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:59 - Jan 9 by BrianMcCarthy |
I agree with all of that, Hunter. Superb post.
Luck in life, in birth, in geography, in whther our parents had food for us, what century we were born in, whether we were born in war-draft times...absolutely.
I just disagree with using bad luck in a game situation as a crutch, and this is not aimed at you, of course, or anyone.
Alfie Lloyd unlucky not to score?
He shot twice, he missed twice.
Close, and I feel for him, but luck did not enter the equation.
He'll train harder, he'll learn more, he hopefully will improve.
And when he does, he'll score.
And luck will have nothing to do with it. |
Completely. Lloyd, was certainly in control of his shooting. No one else was. So, yes, agree. That wasn’t bad luck. However people use that phrase when someone is close to doing something very good and it doesn’t quite come off. It isn’t bad luck, but it was very close to being good execution so people tend to be forgiving, want to soften the blow, and credit how close it was so say “bad luck” as a way of making that point.
But our 2nd goal was good luck. We didn’t “make our own luck” there. Chair wasn’t aiming at Fox. He wasn’t aiming wide. He executed badly but he and we were lucky it hit Fox’s heel whilst he was trying to get out of the way and then lucky it deflected towards the part of the goal their keeper couldn’t reach. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 23:35 - Jan 9 with 399 views | Myke |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 23:16 - Jan 9 by Hunterhoop |
Completely. Lloyd, was certainly in control of his shooting. No one else was. So, yes, agree. That wasn’t bad luck. However people use that phrase when someone is close to doing something very good and it doesn’t quite come off. It isn’t bad luck, but it was very close to being good execution so people tend to be forgiving, want to soften the blow, and credit how close it was so say “bad luck” as a way of making that point.
But our 2nd goal was good luck. We didn’t “make our own luck” there. Chair wasn’t aiming at Fox. He wasn’t aiming wide. He executed badly but he and we were lucky it hit Fox’s heel whilst he was trying to get out of the way and then lucky it deflected towards the part of the goal their keeper couldn’t reach. |
Interesting discussion on luck. Surely a golden opportunity missed to state that 'it evens itself out over the course of the season'.
Seriously, I firmly believe in blind luck to all the reasons stated by Brian above. When you read about the horrors and magic that happen(ed) all over the world down through the centuries, luck plays an enormous part . I also agree with Hunter that luck (a la Fox's clever backheel), can turn a game in your favour or against you.
Question is, did Edwards lose his job because of a series of moments of bad luck ? Luton have had their share for sure, but I think these things tend to get highlighted when your team is down near the bottom - I feel that over the course of the season they tend to.. never mind. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 23:45 - Jan 9 with 381 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 23:16 - Jan 9 by Hunterhoop |
Completely. Lloyd, was certainly in control of his shooting. No one else was. So, yes, agree. That wasn’t bad luck. However people use that phrase when someone is close to doing something very good and it doesn’t quite come off. It isn’t bad luck, but it was very close to being good execution so people tend to be forgiving, want to soften the blow, and credit how close it was so say “bad luck” as a way of making that point.
But our 2nd goal was good luck. We didn’t “make our own luck” there. Chair wasn’t aiming at Fox. He wasn’t aiming wide. He executed badly but he and we were lucky it hit Fox’s heel whilst he was trying to get out of the way and then lucky it deflected towards the part of the goal their keeper couldn’t reach. |
Completely agree.
I posted on some thread this week the very same thing about the oxymoron of 'making your own luck', and a few posters answered back with great phrases and quotes to the same effect. | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 07:22 - Jan 10 with 223 views | Gus_iom |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 23:45 - Jan 9 by BrianMcCarthy |
Completely agree.
I posted on some thread this week the very same thing about the oxymoron of 'making your own luck', and a few posters answered back with great phrases and quotes to the same effect. |
Yeah, but you have to be in it, to win it.
And the free kick routine that led to the winner was clearly straight off the training ground.
I loved Frey looking like he wanted to run in and make sure, but knowing he was offside! | | | |
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