| Patriotism 10:52 - Mar 10 with 475 views | DorsetIan |
Trump campaigns on a patriotic platform about making America great and then immediately bends over to the US's traditional enemy, and starts to stiff US allies wherever he can.
It must be confusing for those MAGA supporters to keep up with who's on whose side.
In the UK, Brexit largely led by Farage was also largely about patriotism. Lot's of talk of treachery etc.
But now Starmer is playing the role of international statesman trying to lead 'the West' against tyranny, and Farage is floundering - tied up in knots over his closeness to Trump and some of the synpathetic remarks he's made about Putin in the past.
Funny thing this patriotism malarky. |  |
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| Patriotism on 11:38 - Mar 10 with 427 views | kingslandstand1 |
Don't worry, The United States of Musk will sort it all out sooner or later! |  | | |
| Patriotism on 14:07 - Mar 10 with 336 views | dirk_doone |
There does seem to be a common theme: making your closest neighbours and allies your enemies: the other North American countries for the USA; the EU countries for the UK; Ukraine for Russia. Historically, it's the usual precursor to trade wars and real wars. [Post edited 10 Mar 14:15]
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| Patriotism on 14:38 - Mar 10 with 252 views | DorsetIan |
Is that in your garden?
Good work! | |
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| Patriotism on 14:41 - Mar 10 with 246 views | City_boy |
| Patriotism on 11:38 - Mar 10 by kingslandstand1 |
Don't worry, The United States of Musk will sort it all out sooner or later! |
I think he will be busy repairing the Tesla dealerships and charging stations that have been trashed.
When he's done that, he will be helping Trump clean up the damage down to Turnberry golf club.
This is all brewing up nicely for a massive backlash, now that most MAGA/Republicans realise that his mad plan to inflict tariffs. works both ways. | | | |
| Patriotism on 15:27 - Mar 10 with 192 views | Joiedevivre |
It depends what you mean by patriotism. If it’s love of one’s country, then Starmer’s own domestic decision making would show he doesn’t care very much about his own.
If it’s the much broader definition of patriotism: defending a nation’s self interest, who is it defining these interests?
Patriotism is easily manipulated. WW1 was fought for “patriotism”, but this wasn’t the reality - just look at the propaganda in any war museum guilt tripping the poor people. |  | | |
| Patriotism on 15:52 - Mar 10 with 124 views | kentsouthampton |
Patriotism, like religion is a form of subservience. |  | | |
| Patriotism on 16:00 - Mar 10 with 109 views | Joiedevivre |
| Patriotism on 15:52 - Mar 10 by kentsouthampton |
Patriotism, like religion is a form of subservience. |
Maybe, but everyone is subservient to something. If it’s isn’t either of these things, it’s something else. You just don’t realise it. [Post edited 10 Mar 16:03]
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| Patriotism on 16:21 - Mar 10 with 70 views | DorsetIan |
| Patriotism on 15:27 - Mar 10 by Joiedevivre |
It depends what you mean by patriotism. If it’s love of one’s country, then Starmer’s own domestic decision making would show he doesn’t care very much about his own.
If it’s the much broader definition of patriotism: defending a nation’s self interest, who is it defining these interests?
Patriotism is easily manipulated. WW1 was fought for “patriotism”, but this wasn’t the reality - just look at the propaganda in any war museum guilt tripping the poor people. |
I'm sure patriotism is easily manipulated and maybe that's my point.
Farage's brand of isolationist politics presented as extraordinarily nationalistic and patriotic, pitching us all against the great enemy - the EU - and making a huge play about democracy and how e.g. judges and EU-sceptics were trying to undermine it.
He's rather less concerned that his mate Trump has no commitment to democracy, nor to any of us in Europe, and has no qualms at all about rewarding the autocrat Putin.
It was remarkably easy for Starmer to grab those patriotic credential away from him. | |
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| Patriotism on 16:26 - Mar 10 with 53 views | kentsouthampton |
| Patriotism on 16:21 - Mar 10 by DorsetIan |
I'm sure patriotism is easily manipulated and maybe that's my point.
Farage's brand of isolationist politics presented as extraordinarily nationalistic and patriotic, pitching us all against the great enemy - the EU - and making a huge play about democracy and how e.g. judges and EU-sceptics were trying to undermine it.
He's rather less concerned that his mate Trump has no commitment to democracy, nor to any of us in Europe, and has no qualms at all about rewarding the autocrat Putin.
It was remarkably easy for Starmer to grab those patriotic credential away from him. |
The only thing Farage cares about is Farage, the morons that follow/support /enable him are mere pawns and stepping stones in his little game of thrones. | | | |
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