| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? 13:19 - Feb 18 with 1604 views | A1079 |
This is a question that is now arising in my mind from a football and SFC perspective.
There was no doubt that having got us promoted,(albeit through the back door of the play-offs), RM was right to be given the chance at this level. It had become clear though, that his tactics (or some would say a lack of them) and refusal to adapt was resulting in the same outcome. Now, how much of that was down to him or the quality of the players that he had at his disposal is a moot point.
I have seen that Ramsdale and other players recently indicate that they were bought into his style and regretted his departure. Now some could read that as RM being "soft" with the players and that is why they liked him!
I think it is fair to say most Saints fans were realistic about this season. I doubt many, other than the deluded, thought we would have anything other than a relegation fight on our hands. But, equally, I doubt that many of us foresaw or expected the nightmare shambles of a season that this has become in every quarter of Southampton FC - both on and off the pitch.
The appointment of Juric appears to have only served to make things worse in terms of the team and players. It could be said that he was given a poison chalice (and maybe I am being harsh), but at the minimum you would have hoped he would have brought some unity and cohesion even if the results did not change. What I see is a disorganised shambles, with poor man management and players that now appear to believe in nothing and can't wait to get out of this season and probably out of the club. This is then reflected in the supporters who must wonder what it is exactly they are supporting?
The booing of Smallbone was awful and whilst he was having a poor game so were many of the others and many have been poor now for the best part of a season. But, really I believe that booing was a reflection of the frustration now amongst all fans. I actually wonder why we are bothering to turn up? - there is no joy or entertainment or fun in watching this car crash of a mess.
Kat Liebherr to Gao to SR have an awful lot to answer for. Between them they have managed to bring a once proud club down to the level of embarrassment even more so than the administration years. [Post edited 18 Feb 13:23]
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| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 13:44 - Feb 18 with 1522 views | saintwizzler |
Only replace the manager for someone better.
Hasenhüttl might as well of stayed.
He got the bullet with us in the relegation zone.
He was replaced by an inferior manager at Premier League level.
Is it the same story with Martin and Juric?
Russell Martin deserved a crack at Premier League football.
Unfortunately it was with Championship players.
Also his refusal to stop the suicidal passing around the back when we could all see we didn’t have the standard of player to play that way.
Not paying Sheffield Wednesday £5m for Danny Rohl and employing Juric screams of get us to the end of the season and if you’ve done any good you can stay on.
10 year plan?
More like a 10 month plan.
Steve Cooper for next season.
Championship and some Premier League experience.
He has something to prove still. |  |
| We thought that we had the answers,
It was the questions we had wrong. |
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| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 14:41 - Feb 18 with 1458 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 13:44 - Feb 18 by saintwizzler |
Only replace the manager for someone better.
Hasenhüttl might as well of stayed.
He got the bullet with us in the relegation zone.
He was replaced by an inferior manager at Premier League level.
Is it the same story with Martin and Juric?
Russell Martin deserved a crack at Premier League football.
Unfortunately it was with Championship players.
Also his refusal to stop the suicidal passing around the back when we could all see we didn’t have the standard of player to play that way.
Not paying Sheffield Wednesday £5m for Danny Rohl and employing Juric screams of get us to the end of the season and if you’ve done any good you can stay on.
10 year plan?
More like a 10 month plan.
Steve Cooper for next season.
Championship and some Premier League experience.
He has something to prove still. |
All very well getting another manager in, which could also be a car crash and who's to say incoming will be better that IJ, but the main (obvious) problem is the quality of the players we have and then getting them to play to a system that actually works to the required quality. Steve Cooper? Danny Rohl? Who knows .............
The whole club will require a massive kick up the arris in the close season with a strong manager coming in (Juric as has been said is probably not the right guy purely based on what us mere mortals can see with team selection and substitutions etc but will he walk before being pushed or will he want to give it a go?), and an overhaul of the playing staff with a few unknown nuggets maybe (?) but preferably those with knowledge on how the Championship works
Ultimately it's down to recruitment both on and off the pitch that needs to be looked at. But by who?? |  | | |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 15:28 - Feb 18 with 1413 views | DorsetIan |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 14:41 - Feb 18 by kingslandstand1 |
All very well getting another manager in, which could also be a car crash and who's to say incoming will be better that IJ, but the main (obvious) problem is the quality of the players we have and then getting them to play to a system that actually works to the required quality. Steve Cooper? Danny Rohl? Who knows .............
The whole club will require a massive kick up the arris in the close season with a strong manager coming in (Juric as has been said is probably not the right guy purely based on what us mere mortals can see with team selection and substitutions etc but will he walk before being pushed or will he want to give it a go?), and an overhaul of the playing staff with a few unknown nuggets maybe (?) but preferably those with knowledge on how the Championship works
Ultimately it's down to recruitment both on and off the pitch that needs to be looked at. But by who?? |
Results dictate whether a manager needs to go and results dictated that Ralph, Jones, Selles and Martin all had to go.
Usually, of course, those in charge are not as hopeless as SR in picking a successor and when replacing 4 managers, at least one of them would be a good choice.
Results dictate that Juric needs to go. He has been appalling. And just because Sports Republic couldn't replace a lightbulb doesn't change that fact. | |
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| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 16:25 - Feb 18 with 1357 views | Andylad63 |
Ultimately neither Russel or Ivan had any premiership management experience. Juric is getting stick for not getting a tune out of "unfit, demoralised and sub-standard" players. Although the results have not changed.at least we have a go now, a few shots, even the old goal. How many games did we endure with no shots and goals given away bit stupid short passes around our penalty area. I'm not saying Juric should or will want to stay but I am saying his football has been better than Martins'. |  | | |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 16:37 - Feb 18 with 1344 views | saintmark1976 |
I posted after the weekend the clocks went back that we would be relegated because the players were not Premiership quality and so it’s transpired.
Two relegations in three years are not down to Russell Martin or his successor.
Blame lies with the Club’s owners in appointing a group of doughnuts to run our Club and then failing to replace them when it is obvious to every man and his dog that they simply didn’t have a clue what they were doing.
Most clubs when promoted to the Premier League either stick with the players who got them there and spend little or bin the players and spend big.
Sports Republic management have achieved the virtually impossible having stuck with the players and spent £ millions to accumulate 9 points by the middle of February.
In so doing they have turned an established and respected Premiership football club into a laughing stock.
The concern going forward is what happens next because there will not be another swift return to the top flight with our club owned by the current owners and controlled by Sports Republic’s current employees. [Post edited 18 Feb 16:51]
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| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 17:33 - Feb 18 with 1272 views | arfurdent |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 13:44 - Feb 18 by saintwizzler |
Only replace the manager for someone better.
Hasenhüttl might as well of stayed.
He got the bullet with us in the relegation zone.
He was replaced by an inferior manager at Premier League level.
Is it the same story with Martin and Juric?
Russell Martin deserved a crack at Premier League football.
Unfortunately it was with Championship players.
Also his refusal to stop the suicidal passing around the back when we could all see we didn’t have the standard of player to play that way.
Not paying Sheffield Wednesday £5m for Danny Rohl and employing Juric screams of get us to the end of the season and if you’ve done any good you can stay on.
10 year plan?
More like a 10 month plan.
Steve Cooper for next season.
Championship and some Premier League experience.
He has something to prove still. |
more like a 10 year pain! |  |
| And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's off with her head |
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| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 18:04 - Feb 18 with 1219 views | grumpy |
Under so many poor managers the form of players has to be affected.
With one good manager we could 'just' have avoided relegation.
The fault lies squarely with SR recruitment on and off the field. |  | | |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 20:19 - Feb 18 with 1097 views | saintjeff52 |
NO. |  | | |
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| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 21:34 - Feb 18 with 1008 views | TripleNiemi |
No |  |
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| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 22:47 - Feb 18 with 929 views | green |
No |  | | |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 00:08 - Feb 19 with 875 views | Bridders2 |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 16:25 - Feb 18 by Andylad63 |
Ultimately neither Russel or Ivan had any premiership management experience. Juric is getting stick for not getting a tune out of "unfit, demoralised and sub-standard" players. Although the results have not changed.at least we have a go now, a few shots, even the old goal. How many games did we endure with no shots and goals given away bit stupid short passes around our penalty area. I'm not saying Juric should or will want to stay but I am saying his football has been better than Martins'. |
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| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 10:23 - Feb 19 with 667 views | stmichael |
Of course it was wrong.
He took over a broken mess and united the players , the fans infact the whole club.
Now he has left we are back where we were when he took over.
A broken mess🤷♂️
Yep we would have had to take a step backwards with relegation but he would likely have kept most of the players on board and brought us back again better for the experience.
The change of manager has rubber stamped this years relegation and totally screwed next seasons promotion..
Some of us could see this before it happened… | |
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| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 10:30 - Feb 19 with 660 views | kernow |
Have you been watching Saints this season? | | | |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 10:33 - Feb 19 with 659 views | Buggalugs |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 10:23 - Feb 19 by stmichael |
Of course it was wrong.
He took over a broken mess and united the players , the fans infact the whole club.
Now he has left we are back where we were when he took over.
A broken mess🤷♂️
Yep we would have had to take a step backwards with relegation but he would likely have kept most of the players on board and brought us back again better for the experience.
The change of manager has rubber stamped this years relegation and totally screwed next seasons promotion..
Some of us could see this before it happened… |
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| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 12:08 - Feb 19 with 599 views | jopreston |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 10:23 - Feb 19 by stmichael |
Of course it was wrong.
He took over a broken mess and united the players , the fans infact the whole club.
Now he has left we are back where we were when he took over.
A broken mess🤷♂️
Yep we would have had to take a step backwards with relegation but he would likely have kept most of the players on board and brought us back again better for the experience.
The change of manager has rubber stamped this years relegation and totally screwed next seasons promotion..
Some of us could see this before it happened… |
You have contradicted yourself there sir. RM inherited a mess and got us promoted. So, who is to say a new manager will not do the same next season? Ergo, how has that rubber stamped us not getting promoted? | | | |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 18:40 - Feb 19 with 467 views | 1885_SFC |
* BREAKING NEWS *
Italian manager Samueli Allardici wants to replace Ivan Jurić and save Southampton from relegation
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| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 14:17 - Feb 20 with 232 views | TripleNiemi |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 18:40 - Feb 19 by 1885_SFC |
* BREAKING NEWS *
Italian manager Samueli Allardici wants to replace Ivan Jurić and save Southampton from relegation
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Provided he can do Italian fistbumps and wave at the old ladies after each game he’s in….. | |
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| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 16:26 - Feb 20 with 120 views | Bazza |
| Was it wrong to dispense with RM this season? on 10:23 - Feb 19 by stmichael |
Of course it was wrong.
He took over a broken mess and united the players , the fans infact the whole club.
Now he has left we are back where we were when he took over.
A broken mess🤷♂️
Yep we would have had to take a step backwards with relegation but he would likely have kept most of the players on board and brought us back again better for the experience.
The change of manager has rubber stamped this years relegation and totally screwed next seasons promotion..
Some of us could see this before it happened… |
RM was totally useless, are you a relative? | | | |
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