| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans 09:03 - Feb 15 with 4223 views | SaintNick |
We will be regaled by mass chanting of "Scummers" by our neighbours from across the Forest this afternoon, but we don't seem to care about them as much as they care about us.
We don't have a nickname for them as we do our Skate friends towards the East, this must rankle to average Bournemouth fan, in their average 7 years of supporting the club, it must upset them that as an established Premier League club, that they don't have a true local rival apart from perhaps Weymouth.
So should we join in with their little game and find a disparaging nickname for them, if so what should it be.
Should it be an obvious but fairly friendly one such as "Deck chair attendants" or should it be a llittle more vicious.
Truth is I can't think of much about Bournemouth that distinguishes it as a town or a football team or for that matter a supporter group. |  |
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 14:49 - Feb 16 with 1270 views | dirk_doone |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 14:32 - Feb 16 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Why don't you read the article that you posted again, and try to work out where you have gooned out.
I may come back on later today or tomorrow to see how you are getting on with this 'challenging' task |
You try reading it. You'll be even more upset.
Pompey refers to their traditonal colours, which were Pompadour Pink (pink with maroon trimming). It wasn't an original nickname though as a regiment based in Portsmouth during the 19th century, the 56th West Essex Regiment of Foot, had a Pompadour Pink uniform and were first nicknamed the Pompadours and then the Saucy Pompeys. The football club just copied them. Football club nicknames in that era commonly referred to team colours, like the Clarets, the Lillywhites, Sky Blues etc.
When the orginal PFC went bust in 1911, the new club that replaced them, adopted a new blue strip to show they weren't connected to the orginal club with its Pompadour Pink strip (and its debts). But, the Pompey nickname carried over. They were also known as the Shrimps but that name didn't carry over.
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 07:17 - Feb 17 with 1067 views | TripleNiemi |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 14:49 - Feb 16 by dirk_doone |
You try reading it. You'll be even more upset.
Pompey refers to their traditonal colours, which were Pompadour Pink (pink with maroon trimming). It wasn't an original nickname though as a regiment based in Portsmouth during the 19th century, the 56th West Essex Regiment of Foot, had a Pompadour Pink uniform and were first nicknamed the Pompadours and then the Saucy Pompeys. The football club just copied them. Football club nicknames in that era commonly referred to team colours, like the Clarets, the Lillywhites, Sky Blues etc.
When the orginal PFC went bust in 1911, the new club that replaced them, adopted a new blue strip to show they weren't connected to the orginal club with its Pompadour Pink strip (and its debts). But, the Pompey nickname carried over. They were also known as the Shrimps but that name didn't carry over.
https://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/regtnicknames.html |
‘When the original PFC went bust……..’
Seems the one thing they excel at; that and screwing local charities. [Post edited 17 Feb 7:18]
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 09:41 - Feb 17 with 991 views | GasGiant |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 21:07 - Feb 15 by dirk_doone |
No, it's a fact.
Pompey refers to their traditonal colours, which were Pompadour Pink (pink with maroon trimming). It wasn't an original nickname though as a regiment based in Portsmouth during the 19th century, the 56th West Essex Regiment of Foot, had a Pompadour Pink uniform and were first nicknamed the Pompadours and then the Saucy Pompeys. The football club just copied them. Football club nicknames in that era commonly referred to team colours, like the Clarets, the Lillywhites, Sky Blues etc.
When the orginal PFC went bust in 1911, the new club that replaced them, adopted a new blue strip to show they weren't connected to the orginal club with its Pompadour Pink strip (and its debts). But, the Pompey nickname carried over. They were also known as the Shrimps but that name didn't carry over.
https://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/regtnicknames.html [Post edited 15 Feb 21:17]
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Pompey is a name that originated in the Royal Navy and was already in use during the Napoleonic Wars, which started a long time before any football club came into existence. You want to do a bit of reasoning before swallowing that sort of nonsense. |  | | |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 10:34 - Feb 17 with 959 views | dirk_doone |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 09:41 - Feb 17 by GasGiant |
Pompey is a name that originated in the Royal Navy and was already in use during the Napoleonic Wars, which started a long time before any football club came into existence. You want to do a bit of reasoning before swallowing that sort of nonsense. |
It certainly looks like you've been swallowing nonsense and Portsmyths. There is no recorded use of Pompey to describe the city of Portsmouth until the 20th century. The first use of Pompey as a nickname for any orgnisation in Portsmouth was in the 19th century and it was for a regiment based there, the 56th West Essex Regiment of Foot, which had Pompadour Pink uniform facings and so were first nicknamed the Pompadours and then the Saucy Pompeys. The football club adopted the same colours in 1898 and so became nicknamed Pompey. The football club's nickname then transferred to also become a general nickname for the city.
The name 'Pompey' dates back more than 2000 years. It was a proper name used in the Roman Empire, but its connection to the football club's nickname is merely coincidental. [Post edited 17 Feb 18:12]
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 11:05 - Feb 17 with 908 views | grumpy |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 10:34 - Feb 17 by dirk_doone |
It certainly looks like you've been swallowing nonsense and Portsmyths. There is no recorded use of Pompey to describe the city of Portsmouth until the 20th century. The first use of Pompey as a nickname for any orgnisation in Portsmouth was in the 19th century and it was for a regiment based there, the 56th West Essex Regiment of Foot, which had Pompadour Pink uniform facings and so were first nicknamed the Pompadours and then the Saucy Pompeys. The football club adopted the same colours in 1898 and so became nicknamed Pompey. The football club's nickname then transferred to also become a general nickname for the city.
The name 'Pompey' dates back more than 2000 years. It was a proper name used in the Roman Empire, but its connection to the football club's nickname is merely coincidental. [Post edited 17 Feb 18:12]
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Pompey is northern slang for Prison.😂 |  | | |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 11:10 - Feb 17 with 899 views | GasGiant |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 10:34 - Feb 17 by dirk_doone |
It certainly looks like you've been swallowing nonsense and Portsmyths. There is no recorded use of Pompey to describe the city of Portsmouth until the 20th century. The first use of Pompey as a nickname for any orgnisation in Portsmouth was in the 19th century and it was for a regiment based there, the 56th West Essex Regiment of Foot, which had Pompadour Pink uniform facings and so were first nicknamed the Pompadours and then the Saucy Pompeys. The football club adopted the same colours in 1898 and so became nicknamed Pompey. The football club's nickname then transferred to also become a general nickname for the city.
The name 'Pompey' dates back more than 2000 years. It was a proper name used in the Roman Empire, but its connection to the football club's nickname is merely coincidental. [Post edited 17 Feb 18:12]
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I have enough books about Nelson's Navy on my shelves to show me that the name Pompey has been in jackspeak for far longer than Portsmouth FC have been in existence, and having read the works of Cicero I know who Pompey was. Oh yes and I was a serving officer in the Fleet Air Arm (mainly in Guz) , so I was surrounded with the traditions of the Service for 8 years, which I think counts for something, don't you? I don't know whether it's you doing some fancy reverse engineering or whether you just copied it from some fan site but in a town that has been the home of the Navy since the time of the Mary Rose the temporary presence of a territorial regiment is going to cut no ice in the town as a sensible historia n would realise before chasing his desired outcome. The club may have played in Salmon Pink (not "Pompadour pink") for a time but again as they were a small club in the SOuthern League for much of it that is not going to dent a tradition that predated it by 200 years or more.Moreover a local name in the pre internet days meaningless to anyone outside the town was not going to spread worldwide in a way that a name spread affectionately by sailors on land and at at sea has done. I have never put anything on here that wasn't sense and fact checked first. Your explanation is a classic case of wishful thinking because you think it makes them sound like a bunch of sissies. You need to apply some common sense. | | | |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 11:15 - Feb 17 with 891 views | dirk_doone |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 11:10 - Feb 17 by GasGiant |
I have enough books about Nelson's Navy on my shelves to show me that the name Pompey has been in jackspeak for far longer than Portsmouth FC have been in existence, and having read the works of Cicero I know who Pompey was. Oh yes and I was a serving officer in the Fleet Air Arm (mainly in Guz) , so I was surrounded with the traditions of the Service for 8 years, which I think counts for something, don't you? I don't know whether it's you doing some fancy reverse engineering or whether you just copied it from some fan site but in a town that has been the home of the Navy since the time of the Mary Rose the temporary presence of a territorial regiment is going to cut no ice in the town as a sensible historia n would realise before chasing his desired outcome. The club may have played in Salmon Pink (not "Pompadour pink") for a time but again as they were a small club in the SOuthern League for much of it that is not going to dent a tradition that predated it by 200 years or more.Moreover a local name in the pre internet days meaningless to anyone outside the town was not going to spread worldwide in a way that a name spread affectionately by sailors on land and at at sea has done. I have never put anything on here that wasn't sense and fact checked first. Your explanation is a classic case of wishful thinking because you think it makes them sound like a bunch of sissies. You need to apply some common sense. |
All research shows there is no written record of the use of Pompey as a nickname for the city before the 20th century. Not a single book or newspaper published in the 19th century refers to it as such. You can research the British Newspaper Archives for 1800-1899, including the Portsmouth Times and Naval Gazette, the Hampshire Post and Southsea Observer, the Portsmouth Evening Post and every other newspaper and in all those thousands of newspapers there isn't a single reference to Pompey as a nickname for the city. However, it appears regularly as a nickname for the new football club in newspaper match reports from 1899 onwards, which sometimes also refer to them as "Pompey Pinks" .
I've no doubt the nickname Pompey was used for Portmouth when you were in the navy, unless you are more than 100 years old, but it came from the football club before that, and their Pompadour Pink shirts.
As for your concern that it might make Portsmouth look like 'bunch of sissies', you've no need to worry because in the nineteenth century and even the early 20th, pink was regarded as a masculine or neutral colour, which is why it featured in military uniforms. It didn't become regarded as a feminine colour until as recently as the 1940s. Again this is easily verifiable.
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 11:19 - Feb 17 with 885 views | 1885_SFC |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 11:10 - Feb 17 by GasGiant |
I have enough books about Nelson's Navy on my shelves to show me that the name Pompey has been in jackspeak for far longer than Portsmouth FC have been in existence, and having read the works of Cicero I know who Pompey was. Oh yes and I was a serving officer in the Fleet Air Arm (mainly in Guz) , so I was surrounded with the traditions of the Service for 8 years, which I think counts for something, don't you? I don't know whether it's you doing some fancy reverse engineering or whether you just copied it from some fan site but in a town that has been the home of the Navy since the time of the Mary Rose the temporary presence of a territorial regiment is going to cut no ice in the town as a sensible historia n would realise before chasing his desired outcome. The club may have played in Salmon Pink (not "Pompadour pink") for a time but again as they were a small club in the SOuthern League for much of it that is not going to dent a tradition that predated it by 200 years or more.Moreover a local name in the pre internet days meaningless to anyone outside the town was not going to spread worldwide in a way that a name spread affectionately by sailors on land and at at sea has done. I have never put anything on here that wasn't sense and fact checked first. Your explanation is a classic case of wishful thinking because you think it makes them sound like a bunch of sissies. You need to apply some common sense. |
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 11:22 - Feb 17 with 879 views | sledger |
people do realise that by constantly talking down a rivalry with bournemouth we are actually making it one,anyway it wont be a problem next season so people will get what they wish for. | | | |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 11:34 - Feb 17 with 852 views | TripleNiemi |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 11:22 - Feb 17 by sledger |
people do realise that by constantly talking down a rivalry with bournemouth we are actually making it one,anyway it wont be a problem next season so people will get what they wish for. |
Added to this, why on earth were the plebs singing about ‘One South Coast Derby’ on Saturday. FFS, no need to even bang on about it for christs sake.
Was quite amusing, was catching a leak in a boozer post game Saturday when a guy come in wearing a head band. Commented on how he was gonna struggle to get a train; most of us completely ignored him. Then said it again to which someone replied you can always walk. Then went on about travelling to Europe for games next season. No one even bothered biting which meant his dribbling on about Bournemouth really fell on deaf ears. Poor sod was trying to get a rise. | |
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 12:26 - Feb 17 with 800 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 11:10 - Feb 17 by GasGiant |
I have enough books about Nelson's Navy on my shelves to show me that the name Pompey has been in jackspeak for far longer than Portsmouth FC have been in existence, and having read the works of Cicero I know who Pompey was. Oh yes and I was a serving officer in the Fleet Air Arm (mainly in Guz) , so I was surrounded with the traditions of the Service for 8 years, which I think counts for something, don't you? I don't know whether it's you doing some fancy reverse engineering or whether you just copied it from some fan site but in a town that has been the home of the Navy since the time of the Mary Rose the temporary presence of a territorial regiment is going to cut no ice in the town as a sensible historia n would realise before chasing his desired outcome. The club may have played in Salmon Pink (not "Pompadour pink") for a time but again as they were a small club in the SOuthern League for much of it that is not going to dent a tradition that predated it by 200 years or more.Moreover a local name in the pre internet days meaningless to anyone outside the town was not going to spread worldwide in a way that a name spread affectionately by sailors on land and at at sea has done. I have never put anything on here that wasn't sense and fact checked first. Your explanation is a classic case of wishful thinking because you think it makes them sound like a bunch of sissies. You need to apply some common sense. |
If Dirk Buffoon had re-read his posted article, it has 3 paragraphs going on about the Essex regiment ie nothing to do with Portsmouth
If he had bothered to do some research, he would have found that there are 4 possibilities for the nickname and one of those has do do with a french ship called La Pompie in a mutiny at spithead in 1797, and another has to do with writing in a log all ships entering the harbour and shortening the entry to Pom. P short for Portsmouth Point which was happening before Portsmouth fc was formed.
If he had bothered to do a bit more research he would have found out that some of the local trams were painted salmon pink with maroon trims, and this was what the first Pompey kit was based on. As usual though his emotions drive his mind rather than reading the info and letting logic take his thinking over. |  |
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 13:04 - Feb 17 with 773 views | dirk_doone |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 12:26 - Feb 17 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
If Dirk Buffoon had re-read his posted article, it has 3 paragraphs going on about the Essex regiment ie nothing to do with Portsmouth
If he had bothered to do some research, he would have found that there are 4 possibilities for the nickname and one of those has do do with a french ship called La Pompie in a mutiny at spithead in 1797, and another has to do with writing in a log all ships entering the harbour and shortening the entry to Pom. P short for Portsmouth Point which was happening before Portsmouth fc was formed.
If he had bothered to do a bit more research he would have found out that some of the local trams were painted salmon pink with maroon trims, and this was what the first Pompey kit was based on. As usual though his emotions drive his mind rather than reading the info and letting logic take his thinking over. |
" the Essex regiment ie nothing to do with Portsmouth"
The 56th West Essex Regiment of Foot, which became the Essex Regiment as part of the Childers Reforms of 1881, was based in barracks in Portsmouth in the 1860s so they had quite a lot to do with it.
As for the Portsmouth trams, in the 1890s, they were green and cream, brown and cream and red and white. None of them were pink.
How old are you? Your childish posts look like they're written by a conceited teenager. [Post edited 17 Feb 14:28]
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 15:40 - Feb 17 with 638 views | sledger |
i was drinking near the stadium from 11-00 am on and i didnt see one bournemouth fan in colours before the game. | | | |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 16:04 - Feb 17 with 620 views | Bridders2 |
I grew up in Bournemouth as a nipper and went to lots of games at Dean Court in the early 70's.
Brighton were the oppo.
We shadowed them in Div3 & 4 for years and they were hated. Saints were a cut above and not seen as rivals. | | | |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 20:05 - Feb 17 with 506 views | GasGiant |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 11:19 - Feb 17 by 1885_SFC |
You tell him WAFU |
Hven't been called that for a while! | | | |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 20:47 - Feb 17 with 458 views | GasGiant |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 11:15 - Feb 17 by dirk_doone |
All research shows there is no written record of the use of Pompey as a nickname for the city before the 20th century. Not a single book or newspaper published in the 19th century refers to it as such. You can research the British Newspaper Archives for 1800-1899, including the Portsmouth Times and Naval Gazette, the Hampshire Post and Southsea Observer, the Portsmouth Evening Post and every other newspaper and in all those thousands of newspapers there isn't a single reference to Pompey as a nickname for the city. However, it appears regularly as a nickname for the new football club in newspaper match reports from 1899 onwards, which sometimes also refer to them as "Pompey Pinks" .
I've no doubt the nickname Pompey was used for Portmouth when you were in the navy, unless you are more than 100 years old, but it came from the football club before that, and their Pompadour Pink shirts.
As for your concern that it might make Portsmouth look like 'bunch of sissies', you've no need to worry because in the nineteenth century and even the early 20th, pink was regarded as a masculine or neutral colour, which is why it featured in military uniforms. It didn't become regarded as a feminine colour until as recently as the 1940s. Again this is easily verifiable.
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Be careful when relying on the internet as a pretence of being well informed, because it will inevitably trip you up. You get an answer but cannot compute its relative significance unless you know the subject already. Your throwing in mention of the Childers Reforms as a titbit is actually a telltale. Army reforms don't seem to have any relevance the derivation of "Pompey" at all, but mentioning them makes you look like an expert when saying it - or so you hope.
It would be obvious to any former sailor that the reason "Pompey" doesn't appear in official documents (although I dispute this) is because Naval slang was nearly all formed below decks and below decks almost all sailors before the 20th c were illiterate and did not usually contribute to official documents such as ships logs where slang would never be permitted in any case. In the wardrooms nicknames such as Pompey were known and often used in conversation but would have been demeaning for a gentleman (as all officers were deemed to be) to commit to writing. However when you examine the private letters from literate sailors and warrant officers to their families the name is often used along with other slang names for bases. It was in common use across the Royal Navy ships from the 17th century onwards. I checked your fanciful story about the Essex Regiment of Foot. Apart embarking from Portsmouth for an overseas posting, on their return in 1866 they stayed in the Town for a mere two years before being posted to Ireland. Hardly enough time to make an impact, let alone for their colours to be seen as somehow emblematic? And then to stretch this even further and claim that the name of the shade of pink would be somehow adopted by the populace as a name for their own city when it was unlikely any of the soldiers even came from the town stretches credibility to breaking point. They recruited in Essex, not in Portsmouth. And as a reminder, the team's shirts were described as "Salmon Pink", not "Pompadour Pink", in other words as little to do with the Essex regiment of Foot as that regiment was to do with the town.
The Pompey Pink or Sports Mail first appeared on Saturday evenings around 1900 and was for most of its life known by its nickname. If you have seen reference to Pompey Pink it is likely to of or about or because of the newspaper not the shirts, which lasted only a short while anyway.Apparently the team had several colours in the early years.
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 21:11 - Feb 17 with 433 views | dirk_doone |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 20:47 - Feb 17 by GasGiant |
Be careful when relying on the internet as a pretence of being well informed, because it will inevitably trip you up. You get an answer but cannot compute its relative significance unless you know the subject already. Your throwing in mention of the Childers Reforms as a titbit is actually a telltale. Army reforms don't seem to have any relevance the derivation of "Pompey" at all, but mentioning them makes you look like an expert when saying it - or so you hope.
It would be obvious to any former sailor that the reason "Pompey" doesn't appear in official documents (although I dispute this) is because Naval slang was nearly all formed below decks and below decks almost all sailors before the 20th c were illiterate and did not usually contribute to official documents such as ships logs where slang would never be permitted in any case. In the wardrooms nicknames such as Pompey were known and often used in conversation but would have been demeaning for a gentleman (as all officers were deemed to be) to commit to writing. However when you examine the private letters from literate sailors and warrant officers to their families the name is often used along with other slang names for bases. It was in common use across the Royal Navy ships from the 17th century onwards. I checked your fanciful story about the Essex Regiment of Foot. Apart embarking from Portsmouth for an overseas posting, on their return in 1866 they stayed in the Town for a mere two years before being posted to Ireland. Hardly enough time to make an impact, let alone for their colours to be seen as somehow emblematic? And then to stretch this even further and claim that the name of the shade of pink would be somehow adopted by the populace as a name for their own city when it was unlikely any of the soldiers even came from the town stretches credibility to breaking point. They recruited in Essex, not in Portsmouth. And as a reminder, the team's shirts were described as "Salmon Pink", not "Pompadour Pink", in other words as little to do with the Essex regiment of Foot as that regiment was to do with the town.
The Pompey Pink or Sports Mail first appeared on Saturday evenings around 1900 and was for most of its life known by its nickname. If you have seen reference to Pompey Pink it is likely to of or about or because of the newspaper not the shirts, which lasted only a short while anyway.Apparently the team had several colours in the early years.
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Go to the original sources: newspapers, letters etc, not hearsay about them. It's the only way you can do serious historical research. The Pompey Pinks were references to the Portsmouth team in newspaper match reports. I've read the original reports. You haven't and don't want to change your mind, so you won't and this argument with you and 130 is just getting very boring now.
From The Hampshire Post and Southsea Observer, September 1899:
"Sandy Brown cleverly headed the ball into the net, amid enthusiastic cheering. Play continued in favour of the Pompey Pinks until Brown was penalised for a foul; and the Brighton men got smartly away, McArthur finishing up with a long shot"
Newspaper reports are full of slang and nicknames and if Pompey had been used as a nickname for the city by sailors before 1899, there would have been hundreds if not thousands of references in the tens of thousands of newspapers published before then. Unfortunately, history gets changed retrospectively so unless you go to the original source material, you will believe whatever modern writers want you to believe happened. But, if you are really privy to what illiterate men were supposedly saying below decks more than 125 years ago, you're a better time traveller than I am.
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 23:27 - Feb 17 with 346 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 20:47 - Feb 17 by GasGiant |
Be careful when relying on the internet as a pretence of being well informed, because it will inevitably trip you up. You get an answer but cannot compute its relative significance unless you know the subject already. Your throwing in mention of the Childers Reforms as a titbit is actually a telltale. Army reforms don't seem to have any relevance the derivation of "Pompey" at all, but mentioning them makes you look like an expert when saying it - or so you hope.
It would be obvious to any former sailor that the reason "Pompey" doesn't appear in official documents (although I dispute this) is because Naval slang was nearly all formed below decks and below decks almost all sailors before the 20th c were illiterate and did not usually contribute to official documents such as ships logs where slang would never be permitted in any case. In the wardrooms nicknames such as Pompey were known and often used in conversation but would have been demeaning for a gentleman (as all officers were deemed to be) to commit to writing. However when you examine the private letters from literate sailors and warrant officers to their families the name is often used along with other slang names for bases. It was in common use across the Royal Navy ships from the 17th century onwards. I checked your fanciful story about the Essex Regiment of Foot. Apart embarking from Portsmouth for an overseas posting, on their return in 1866 they stayed in the Town for a mere two years before being posted to Ireland. Hardly enough time to make an impact, let alone for their colours to be seen as somehow emblematic? And then to stretch this even further and claim that the name of the shade of pink would be somehow adopted by the populace as a name for their own city when it was unlikely any of the soldiers even came from the town stretches credibility to breaking point. They recruited in Essex, not in Portsmouth. And as a reminder, the team's shirts were described as "Salmon Pink", not "Pompadour Pink", in other words as little to do with the Essex regiment of Foot as that regiment was to do with the town.
The Pompey Pink or Sports Mail first appeared on Saturday evenings around 1900 and was for most of its life known by its nickname. If you have seen reference to Pompey Pink it is likely to of or about or because of the newspaper not the shirts, which lasted only a short while anyway.Apparently the team had several colours in the early years.
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A fine post
What we do have is British Standard Colour charts that reference Tram colours throughout the country. It is noticeable that Salmon Pink is mentioned but not Pompadour Pink in conjunction with any trams, or even with any Pompey kit
https://www.tramwayinfo.com/Tramframe.htm? https://www.tramwayinfo.com/tramways/Articles/Colourchart.htm
We also have umpteen sources of Pompeys original kit and info relating to the colours of those first kits. We even have a 125th birthday celebration kit researched by the Pompey History Society to ensure the kit colours were accurate. We also have the correct shade when it comes to looking at those early pictures.
https://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Portsmouth/Portsmouth.htm
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/08/portsmouth-23-24-125th-anniversary-third-
Looks like its salmon Pink all the way | |
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 23:52 - Feb 17 with 325 views | dirk_doone |
As Pompadour was synonymous with Pink of all shades throughout the 18th and 19th centuries and people who wore pink were nicknamed accordingly, what shade it was really doesn't matter. Now, as this is becoming tedious for everyone on here, this is the last time I'm going to bother replying to one of your posts. | |
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 00:05 - Feb 18 with 288 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 23:52 - Feb 17 by dirk_doone |
As Pompadour was synonymous with Pink of all shades throughout the 18th and 19th centuries and people who wore pink were nicknamed accordingly, what shade it was really doesn't matter. Now, as this is becoming tedious for everyone on here, this is the last time I'm going to bother replying to one of your posts. |
From the historical kit link above
“Wearing distinctive salmon pink shirts with maroon trim (the colours of the city's trams) they were nicknamed "The Shrimps," and finished as runners-up in their inaugural season. In 1902 they won the championship”.
https://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Portsmouth/Portsmouth.htm
So, we have mention of the cities trams, and below we have BS colour charts that state they are derived from the shades of Trams used in Britain, and Salmon Pink is detailed ; but Pompadour Pink has no mention at all.
“Many colour names as used for trams were standardised in the 1930s by the British Colour Council and some of these have passed down into British Standard BS 381c, which contains such names as Signal red and PO (Post Office) red, and describes colours used for utility, municipal and military purposes. Many of the names used in British period tramway records tie up with colours in the standard. This colour chart shows the BS 381c shades for guidance only. Appearance will vary between different screens. For printing use a glossy paper with the printer set for the highest quality. Beneath the colour names are the RGB component values for each shade”.
https://www.tramwayinfo.com/Tramframe.htm? https://www.tramwayinfo.com/tramways/Articles/Colourchart.htm
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| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 08:41 - Feb 18 with 167 views | GasGiant |
| Nickname For Bournemouth Fans on 21:11 - Feb 17 by dirk_doone |
Go to the original sources: newspapers, letters etc, not hearsay about them. It's the only way you can do serious historical research. The Pompey Pinks were references to the Portsmouth team in newspaper match reports. I've read the original reports. You haven't and don't want to change your mind, so you won't and this argument with you and 130 is just getting very boring now.
From The Hampshire Post and Southsea Observer, September 1899:
"Sandy Brown cleverly headed the ball into the net, amid enthusiastic cheering. Play continued in favour of the Pompey Pinks until Brown was penalised for a foul; and the Brighton men got smartly away, McArthur finishing up with a long shot"
Newspaper reports are full of slang and nicknames and if Pompey had been used as a nickname for the city by sailors before 1899, there would have been hundreds if not thousands of references in the tens of thousands of newspapers published before then. Unfortunately, history gets changed retrospectively so unless you go to the original source material, you will believe whatever modern writers want you to believe happened. But, if you are really privy to what illiterate men were supposedly saying below decks more than 125 years ago, you're a better time traveller than I am.
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You are starting to obfuscate in order to avoid thinking about what you are claiming. The mere fact that your entire theory hangs on the presence of an obscure territorial regiment from Essex who were only in the town for less than two years several years before the football team were even formed is all you need to think about. The Pompey Pink newspaper is a sideshow, as is the colour of the team's shirts as is a sports report fully thirty years after this obscure regiment had left Porstmouth never to return. Doesn't the record say "Salmon pink?" I don't need your definition of research to know what is more plausible. If you were a legitimate researcher rather than an internet googler you would have referenced the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich. You've had enough of my time now, | | | |
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