| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread 08:01 - Jan 25 with 4565 views | SaintNick |
It's hard to see anything other than a win for Newcastle, but we live in hope if not expectation |  |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 18:02 - Jan 25 with 1580 views | saintwizzler |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 18:24 - Jan 25 with 1495 views | Southamptonfan |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 18:02 - Jan 25 by saintwizzler |
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Things couldn't get any worse than Martin. It was his style of play that caused all our defeats. [Post edited 25 Jan 18:25]
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 18:26 - Jan 25 with 1476 views | saintwizzler |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 18:24 - Jan 25 by Southamptonfan |
Things couldn't get any worse than Martin. It was his style of play that caused all our defeats. [Post edited 25 Jan 18:25]
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Yep all his fault. | |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 18:30 - Jan 25 with 1459 views | Newdawn2014 |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 17:31 - Jan 25 by DorsetIan |
Before Juric we conceded just over 2 goals per game on average.
Under Juric we are at just under 3.
And he has lost all his games.
It's more entertaining to watch his teams than the Martin bore-fest, but let's face facts, he's been another useless appointment by SR who, unbelievably, has made our results even worse than before.
There is no point letting him manage us in the Championship because if he miraculously got us up, he couldn't keep us in the PL.
Kick him in out now ffs get someone in who has at least a fighting chance of picking up points in this league.
There absolutely no reason why a club like Southampton cannot be competing with Bournemouth, Fulham, Brentford, Brighton... |
no , we will end up being the club that nobody wants to play for or manage ,give him a chance with players he wants and then pull the trigger if needs be ,we`re gone now anyway .
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 18:58 - Jan 25 with 1384 views | saintwizzler |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 19:07 - Jan 25 with 1362 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 16:50 - Jan 25 by DorsetIan |
The job of VAR should not be to decide whether something is e.g. a penalty or offside.
It should be to decide whether the decisions of the onfield officials is within the margin of error expected of them.
If a reasonable margin of error is assumed, as it should be, then VAR will only be getting involved in howlers, as it should be. |
Surely if the VAR cannot decide one way or another after say 30 or 45 seconds it cannot be a clear and obvioud error therefore referee's onfield decision should remain?
I know that is too simplistic for the PGMOL but does that not make sense? |  | | |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 20:00 - Jan 25 with 1286 views | Jellybaby |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 19:07 - Jan 25 by kingslandstand1 |
Surely if the VAR cannot decide one way or another after say 30 or 45 seconds it cannot be a clear and obvioud error therefore referee's onfield decision should remain?
I know that is too simplistic for the PGMOL but does that not make sense? |
It does. | |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 20:39 - Jan 25 with 1214 views | DorsetIan |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 19:07 - Jan 25 by kingslandstand1 |
Surely if the VAR cannot decide one way or another after say 30 or 45 seconds it cannot be a clear and obvioud error therefore referee's onfield decision should remain?
I know that is too simplistic for the PGMOL but does that not make sense? |
It makes perfect sense.
It's a design problem. VAR tries to work out the perfect answer, whereas it should just be spotting howlers.
It's designed to identify the wrong thing.
A toe could be offside in a perfect world, but no linesman could spot that, so the question should be was the linesman's decision (or the referee's decision) a fair one.
Instead of the VAR result being 'onside' or 'offside' it should be 'reasonable' or 'unreasonable'.
So,yes,if VAR can't tell immediately that the ref made an error, his decision must have been a reasonable one.
The trouble is, this would leave VAR with very little to do and they love being the centre of attention and spoiling everyone's fun. | |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 20:43 - Jan 25 with 1202 views | grumpy |
My biggest criticism of VAR is that it keeps stopping the game.
Your celebration of a goal scored is put on hold.
The momentum of the game is disrupted time and time again. |  | | |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 20:55 - Jan 25 with 1184 views | DorsetIan |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 20:43 - Jan 25 by grumpy |
My biggest criticism of VAR is that it keeps stopping the game.
Your celebration of a goal scored is put on hold.
The momentum of the game is disrupted time and time again. |
Yes, it ruins every single goal, because you always have at the back of your mind that it might be ruled out - so it ruins even the ones that are OK.
The shame of it is that the voices against any sort of VAR system always worried that it would ruin the flow of the game. So, it's not exactly a surprise that it has.
It seems to me that no thought at all has been given to maybe lessening the extent to which is ruins the game. Time limits for decisions, that sort of thing. They really couldn't give a toss that it does this (the absolute c*nts).
And then maybe we could live with the disruption if it produced perfect and sensible results, but it doesn't. Half the decisions are wrong or very stupid.
It's the emperor's new clothes now. Everyone knows it's sh!t, including the clubs, but they don't want to rock the boat for some reason. Probably the amount it would cost in contract compensations just to bin the whole thing. | |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 01:00 - Jan 26 with 1038 views | dirk_doone |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 20:55 - Jan 25 by DorsetIan |
Yes, it ruins every single goal, because you always have at the back of your mind that it might be ruled out - so it ruins even the ones that are OK.
The shame of it is that the voices against any sort of VAR system always worried that it would ruin the flow of the game. So, it's not exactly a surprise that it has.
It seems to me that no thought at all has been given to maybe lessening the extent to which is ruins the game. Time limits for decisions, that sort of thing. They really couldn't give a toss that it does this (the absolute c*nts).
And then maybe we could live with the disruption if it produced perfect and sensible results, but it doesn't. Half the decisions are wrong or very stupid.
It's the emperor's new clothes now. Everyone knows it's sh!t, including the clubs, but they don't want to rock the boat for some reason. Probably the amount it would cost in contract compensations just to bin the whole thing. |
I agree. If it's clear and obvious that the on pitch decision is wrong, a VAR decision would be made in less than 30 seconds. If it takes longer than that, then there is obviously no clear and obvious error, so the on pitch decision should stand.
Pity they edited the "F...k VAR" chant out of MOTD tonight. It was our loudest chant of the day. [Post edited 26 Jan 1:02]
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Threadj on 08:28 - Jan 26 with 876 views | SalisburySaint |
My Geordie mate who watched game on stream sent me this message after the game, which sums up the sorry state of the game in England at the moment perfectly for me.
“Never a penalty, totally sick of VAR, referees no balls, RIP football”
The referee was awful allowing Dan Burns to bear hug Tall Paul all game, especially in build up to their second goal.
Taking ages to make VAR decisions which are deemed to be clear or obvious mistakes, but are obviously not now.
With Fernandes I heard explanation was they couldn’t confirm whether or not Schar had got a touch on the ball, but as goal was originally given as they couldn’t prove either way goal surely should have been awarded, an absolute joke, as was our defending for their third goal. |  | | |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 09:15 - Jan 26 with 815 views | saintwizzler |
No moaning when a dodgy VAR call goes for us though!
Brentford’s disallowed goal.
Forest disallowed goal after Ramsdale spilt the ball into his goal.
Both were mistakes and perfectly fine goals.
Don’t forget Southampton and the rest of the PL teams decided not to vote with Wolves to get rid of VAR so there can be no moaning. | |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 09:21 - Jan 26 with 804 views | PatfromPoole |
Thankfully it seems that the associated costs of VAR mean that we won't be seeing it in The Championship.
I do wonder how they can afford it in the Scottish Prem. |  |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 09:54 - Jan 26 with 756 views | DorsetIan |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 09:21 - Jan 26 by PatfromPoole |
Thankfully it seems that the associated costs of VAR mean that we won't be seeing it in The Championship.
I do wonder how they can afford it in the Scottish Prem. |
It’s good to know that someone is profiting handsomely from everyone’s matchday misery.
This is the nub of it. The only winners at the moment are those with a financial stake in VAR.
Follow the money… | |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 09:57 - Jan 26 with 752 views | saintmark1976 |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 20:55 - Jan 25 by DorsetIan |
Yes, it ruins every single goal, because you always have at the back of your mind that it might be ruled out - so it ruins even the ones that are OK.
The shame of it is that the voices against any sort of VAR system always worried that it would ruin the flow of the game. So, it's not exactly a surprise that it has.
It seems to me that no thought at all has been given to maybe lessening the extent to which is ruins the game. Time limits for decisions, that sort of thing. They really couldn't give a toss that it does this (the absolute c*nts).
And then maybe we could live with the disruption if it produced perfect and sensible results, but it doesn't. Half the decisions are wrong or very stupid.
It's the emperor's new clothes now. Everyone knows it's sh!t, including the clubs, but they don't want to rock the boat for some reason. Probably the amount it would cost in contract compensations just to bin the whole thing. |
When it comes to V A R you are looking at the problem from the point of view of the spectator that attends a match.
It’s now purely a question of what the broadcasters who finance the whole corrupt Premiership want.They want V A R because it adds to the excitement of their armchair subscribers world wide.
The Broadcasters have no interest whatsoever in those who attend matches or wether a referee’s decision is correct or not.
Given that the Premiership and the F A have sold their soul to the highest bidder V A R is here to stay.
As in much of modern day life, the expression “ follow the money “ is the answer here. [Post edited 26 Jan 9:59]
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 10:49 - Jan 26 with 674 views | DorsetIan |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 09:57 - Jan 26 by saintmark1976 |
When it comes to V A R you are looking at the problem from the point of view of the spectator that attends a match.
It’s now purely a question of what the broadcasters who finance the whole corrupt Premiership want.They want V A R because it adds to the excitement of their armchair subscribers world wide.
The Broadcasters have no interest whatsoever in those who attend matches or wether a referee’s decision is correct or not.
Given that the Premiership and the F A have sold their soul to the highest bidder V A R is here to stay.
As in much of modern day life, the expression “ follow the money “ is the answer here. [Post edited 26 Jan 9:59]
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You’re right. The broadcasters like controversy but with almost every game having a VAR issue now, I wonder if they’ll get bored of it.
And they also wouldn’t like it if they were broadcasting games from empty stadiums.
I’m hopeful that eventually more clubs with side with Wolves and what the Norwegians have done.
Or if Farage wants my vote he can promise to ban VAR! | |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 18:45 - Jan 26 with 470 views | cocklebreath |
I thought we were hopeless yesterday, Newcastle in a different league to us. Fernandes is class other than him we have nothing
My daughter got the short straw this week as my son had a big cup match, much rather watch him play than these losers.
We left on 80 minutes and got an empty train back to Basingstoke.
If wasn’t just the poor football that made us leave early , the woman in the row in front has the worst bad breath I’ve ever experienced, smells like someone has sh!t themselves every time she opens her mouth.
Is there anywhere in the ground that isn’t full of weird people? |  |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 20:32 - Jan 26 with 372 views | SouthSeaSaint |
Totally outplayed yesterday and we only had one shot of any note - from Harwood Bellis (overhead kick) - whilst Newcastle had several and we were fortunate not to concede a penalty in the second half.
In my many years supporting Saints I have never seen such a difference in class between us and other clubs in the League we were playing in. | | | |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 20:45 - Jan 26 with 362 views | DorsetIan |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 18:45 - Jan 26 by cocklebreath |
I thought we were hopeless yesterday, Newcastle in a different league to us. Fernandes is class other than him we have nothing
My daughter got the short straw this week as my son had a big cup match, much rather watch him play than these losers.
We left on 80 minutes and got an empty train back to Basingstoke.
If wasn’t just the poor football that made us leave early , the woman in the row in front has the worst bad breath I’ve ever experienced, smells like someone has sh!t themselves every time she opens her mouth.
Is there anywhere in the ground that isn’t full of weird people? |
That sounds nasty. I guess it could be worse, she could be sitting behind you.
Sitting behind me is a grown man with a soprano's voice who whines like a baby girl about everything for the whole of every game. | |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 21:03 - Jan 26 with 337 views | 1885_SFC |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 20:45 - Jan 26 by DorsetIan |
That sounds nasty. I guess it could be worse, she could be sitting behind you.
Sitting behind me is a grown man with a soprano's voice who whines like a baby girl about everything for the whole of every game. |
You have my sympathies. Sitting in front of I_would can't be fun mate. |  |
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| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 07:27 - Jan 27 with 185 views | City_boy |
| Newcastle Game Matchday Thread on 19:07 - Jan 25 by kingslandstand1 |
Surely if the VAR cannot decide one way or another after say 30 or 45 seconds it cannot be a clear and obvioud error therefore referee's onfield decision should remain?
I know that is too simplistic for the PGMOL but does that not make sense? |
100% correct.
Give them 45 seconds to identify the obvious howlers and remove the monitor at pitch side.
What purpose does that serve if people at Stockley Park can't make a decision. | | | |
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