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I put this up on another thread, I wrote a lot more than I was planning to, so I thought it perhaps deserved a thread of it's own.
Its Not a dig at anyone, just an observation to a thread suggesting that spending money at St Mary's should be boycotted and that SR were perhaps responsible for the marketing of the club.
"In fairness to SR or Phil Parsons, they don't check all the marketing stuff that goes out on social media, in times of crisis most people blame all and everything, but you have to look at the root cause of the issue.
Have Sport Republic spent large amounts of money ? Yes so that is not the issue.
Have SR appointed experienced people to oversee the club ? _ Yes Rasmus Ankersen built up both Midjutland & Brentford, he has the track record, after RA & SR realised that Martin Semmens was not the man for the job, they sacked him and he appointed Joe Shields as head of recruitment who was head hunted and then Jason Wilcox as director of football, he was headhunted likewise, so they have appointed experienced people but due to no fault of their own they went on to bigger things.
The real issue is the failure to replace Jason Wilcox when he effectively went on gardening leave in February/March 2024, leaving no one with any football experience controlling the playing side of the club.
Phil Parsons had no experience running football clubs, although having played at non league level, it cannot be levelled at him that he is no a football man, just that he is not experienced in the business of a football club.
This is the root cause of where we have gone wrong, Parsons was not strong enough to stop Russell Martin running his own agenda, he sat on his hands when things went pear shaped and we are paying the price now for it.
The fact that the Swansea advertising has former players scoring goals is not a sign that the whole club is rotten, but some will take it as that because of the position, if we were 10th in the League and ready for a good cup run then no one would care about it, in fact the opposite they would be saying how great it is that the club is recognising our history.
What were they supposed to do ? show pictures of the 2008/09 season when we were truly appalling along with the headline "It's a bit better now"
The club now need to focus on the areas in which it is going wrong, not be side tracked by the fact that they get a bit of PR wrong.
Back in 1993 when the fans were demanding change, there was a real chance of achieving it, the board were essentially local businessmen, the club ran on it's income not by a rich owner funding it.
Change could be achieved, but the reality is a lot different.
Sport Republic are a business who want to build a portfolio of football clubs, they are committed to football, but will they remain committed to Southampton FC ?
The answer is for now yes, they have always said that this is a long term project, that it will be a bumpy ride and it will be tough, if the fans turn on SR then perhaps they will turn on the fans, stop investing and looking for a cheap sale and that would be catastrophic as was the case in 2006 with the arrival of Michael Wilde, man of the people and absolute disaster.
So yes if you truly want the club to go downhill then boycott it, its the quickest way to send it to oblivion as without the fans a football club is nothing and without the owners it is finished.
In modern football clubs are playthings and the ones with the richest owners and biggest fanbases flourish, whilst the rest of us are just there to make up the numbers.
I am all for supporters standing up and questioning the owners, but it has to be about the things that are going wrong and not about the things that aren't.
You only have to look at the League table to see the gulf now between the Championship and the Premier League, Leicester City are one place above us, 8 points above us yes, it's fine margins though if we had hung on to win against them, then they would be just 2 points above us.
Ipswich are just two points above them, the likelihood is that all 3 promoted clubs will go back down, so it is not just Saints.
Maybe i'm old fashioned, for me and probably 18,000 others it is about turning out and supporting your club (The club, not the owners or the manager) through thick and thin.
We have 12,000 floating supporters, I am not slagging them off, everyone has a right to support how they want, not bother going or storming out after 70 mins whatever they want to do, but that is not what football is for me !
This verse from a poem by Attilla The Stockbroker who was a big part of Brighton's campaigning when the Goldstone was sold and they were homeless is up on the wall at the Amex, it says a lot
"The battle's only just begun, but we have won the war. Our club, though torn asunder, will survive. And I salute each one of you who stood up and said NO! And fought to keep the Albion alive. And one day, when our new home's built, and we are storming back A bunch of happy fans without a care We'll look back on our darkest hour and raise our glasses high and say with satisfaction: we were there."
Not the same issue that we have now, although quite near the one we faced in the 90's and then 2009 with administration, but the message is, turning you back on your football club is not the answer, standing up and be counted is.
Let's see how many boycott Saturday's game but instead make a protest outside the ground instead.
Last May standing outside St Mary's and welcoming the team coach seemed to be popular, where are the people NOW who were all over the internet back then encouraging it "
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Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 11:45 - Jan 6 with 1583 views
I'm not sure that the main root of our troubles is not replacing a bloke who did no more than waste £10m a pop on the dregs of the Academy of his former employer...
"Playing Devil's Advocate since 15th January 2014"
I feel that this is partly aimed at me, so feel I should have right of reply.
I wasn't talking about boycotting games.
I was talking mainly about boycotting the vanity projects which Parsons has been so keen to champion. All the "customer experience" nonsense.
They want fans to be on the stadium site from 12pm until 8pm on a Saturday, so they can milk us for as much as they can.
And to hell with any long-established pubs in the City which fall by the wayside. I was in the Bedford pre-match on Saturday, and I know you were after the game, and its closure saddens both us and many others.
Some people will love all that sanitised customer experience nonsense, and Parsons dreams of having a fanbase made up wholly of people who are not bright enough to see the bigger picture.
There is little we can do without there being a potential owner with deep pockets in the background. That is obvious.
However the more that people go in the gulags and buy their crap beer, the more that Parsons will think he is doing a great job.
…plus other commentators have suggested that Ankersen was useless at Brentford. And I would add that the fact that they have done very well AFTER he left and yet we have done TERRIBLY since he arrived is proof positive…
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Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 12:36 - Jan 6 with 1416 views
Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 11:49 - Jan 6 by PatfromPoole
I feel that this is partly aimed at me, so feel I should have right of reply.
I wasn't talking about boycotting games.
I was talking mainly about boycotting the vanity projects which Parsons has been so keen to champion. All the "customer experience" nonsense.
They want fans to be on the stadium site from 12pm until 8pm on a Saturday, so they can milk us for as much as they can.
And to hell with any long-established pubs in the City which fall by the wayside. I was in the Bedford pre-match on Saturday, and I know you were after the game, and its closure saddens both us and many others.
Some people will love all that sanitised customer experience nonsense, and Parsons dreams of having a fanbase made up wholly of people who are not bright enough to see the bigger picture.
There is little we can do without there being a potential owner with deep pockets in the background. That is obvious.
However the more that people go in the gulags and buy their crap beer, the more that Parsons will think he is doing a great job.
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Firstly this was not aimed at you in any way shape or form, it was a rant in general about the situation.
To cover you points though I would say this.
The Vanity Projects are not a Phil Parsons original, most Premier League clubs and a fair few Championship ones have fan zones etc, we are late to the party on this one
I don't have a problem with them doing this, a football club is a business that needs to make money to survive, you could say it is milking the fans, but it is no different than any other business, they would rather you spend your money with them than someone else and at least that money goes to the club.
The long established pubs have been falling by the wayside for 20 years, 20 Saints home games a year isn't going to be the difference between them surviving or not and I speak as someone who prefers to support local pubs than the fanzones.
The Bedford has shut because it was run down by the owners, Saints supporters certainly werent supporting it this season, most migrated to Carlton Place where there are some genuine locally owned pubs not a chain as the Bedford was, it was a horrible place in the last 5-7 years, overpriced, run down and a shadow of it's former self.
When St Mary's opened in 2001 in the near vicinity you had the King Alfred, The Plume of Feathers, The Z Bar, The Eagle, The Palmerston & The Angel, all of which are closed now.
They were busy when Saints played at home and dead on other occasions, that is why they went bust and that is the case with the other struggling pubs.
As I said im not interested in the fan zones etc, but plenty of people are and that is their choice, some people want the fan experience why should the club not give the fans what they want.
Phil Parsons is doing an Ok job from a business perspective, but he doesn't have the nous from a footballing one.
As I said in the post concentrate on where the club is going wrong, not where it is going right, we might not like it but it is popular with the fans so it is successful.
If fans want to boycott then why not protest, 5,000 or so fans welcoming the team coach was a magnificent sight last May, so why aren't 5,000 now doing the same but protesting.
Where are the social influencers who stirred up the May welcomes now ?
If you want to protest it has to be something that you can makes an impression, boycott the fan zones and some people will still go and no one will notice, it will barely effect Saints profits, 5,000 people standing outside the Swansea game will create a big affect that would make the national press.
As I said this post was never aimed at you,
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Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 12:57 - Jan 6 with 1350 views
Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 12:36 - Jan 6 by SaintNick
Firstly this was not aimed at you in any way shape or form, it was a rant in general about the situation.
To cover you points though I would say this.
The Vanity Projects are not a Phil Parsons original, most Premier League clubs and a fair few Championship ones have fan zones etc, we are late to the party on this one
I don't have a problem with them doing this, a football club is a business that needs to make money to survive, you could say it is milking the fans, but it is no different than any other business, they would rather you spend your money with them than someone else and at least that money goes to the club.
The long established pubs have been falling by the wayside for 20 years, 20 Saints home games a year isn't going to be the difference between them surviving or not and I speak as someone who prefers to support local pubs than the fanzones.
The Bedford has shut because it was run down by the owners, Saints supporters certainly werent supporting it this season, most migrated to Carlton Place where there are some genuine locally owned pubs not a chain as the Bedford was, it was a horrible place in the last 5-7 years, overpriced, run down and a shadow of it's former self.
When St Mary's opened in 2001 in the near vicinity you had the King Alfred, The Plume of Feathers, The Z Bar, The Eagle, The Palmerston & The Angel, all of which are closed now.
They were busy when Saints played at home and dead on other occasions, that is why they went bust and that is the case with the other struggling pubs.
As I said im not interested in the fan zones etc, but plenty of people are and that is their choice, some people want the fan experience why should the club not give the fans what they want.
Phil Parsons is doing an Ok job from a business perspective, but he doesn't have the nous from a footballing one.
As I said in the post concentrate on where the club is going wrong, not where it is going right, we might not like it but it is popular with the fans so it is successful.
If fans want to boycott then why not protest, 5,000 or so fans welcoming the team coach was a magnificent sight last May, so why aren't 5,000 now doing the same but protesting.
Where are the social influencers who stirred up the May welcomes now ?
If you want to protest it has to be something that you can makes an impression, boycott the fan zones and some people will still go and no one will notice, it will barely effect Saints profits, 5,000 people standing outside the Swansea game will create a big affect that would make the national press.
As I said this post was never aimed at you,
Ah, if it's social media influencers you need, I cannot claim any ounce of kudos there.
I have to doff my cap here to the likes of SaintRob and Football Martin, who are overwhelmed with gushing apostles.
Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 12:36 - Jan 6 by SaintNick
Firstly this was not aimed at you in any way shape or form, it was a rant in general about the situation.
To cover you points though I would say this.
The Vanity Projects are not a Phil Parsons original, most Premier League clubs and a fair few Championship ones have fan zones etc, we are late to the party on this one
I don't have a problem with them doing this, a football club is a business that needs to make money to survive, you could say it is milking the fans, but it is no different than any other business, they would rather you spend your money with them than someone else and at least that money goes to the club.
The long established pubs have been falling by the wayside for 20 years, 20 Saints home games a year isn't going to be the difference between them surviving or not and I speak as someone who prefers to support local pubs than the fanzones.
The Bedford has shut because it was run down by the owners, Saints supporters certainly werent supporting it this season, most migrated to Carlton Place where there are some genuine locally owned pubs not a chain as the Bedford was, it was a horrible place in the last 5-7 years, overpriced, run down and a shadow of it's former self.
When St Mary's opened in 2001 in the near vicinity you had the King Alfred, The Plume of Feathers, The Z Bar, The Eagle, The Palmerston & The Angel, all of which are closed now.
They were busy when Saints played at home and dead on other occasions, that is why they went bust and that is the case with the other struggling pubs.
As I said im not interested in the fan zones etc, but plenty of people are and that is their choice, some people want the fan experience why should the club not give the fans what they want.
Phil Parsons is doing an Ok job from a business perspective, but he doesn't have the nous from a footballing one.
As I said in the post concentrate on where the club is going wrong, not where it is going right, we might not like it but it is popular with the fans so it is successful.
If fans want to boycott then why not protest, 5,000 or so fans welcoming the team coach was a magnificent sight last May, so why aren't 5,000 now doing the same but protesting.
Where are the social influencers who stirred up the May welcomes now ?
If you want to protest it has to be something that you can makes an impression, boycott the fan zones and some people will still go and no one will notice, it will barely effect Saints profits, 5,000 people standing outside the Swansea game will create a big affect that would make the national press.
As I said this post was never aimed at you,
I agree with a lot of things in this post Nick, where I beg to differ is the part about fans protesting outside the stadium. We did that with Branfoot, we even did a sit in after one game on the Milton. What will send more of a message to the board will be a game inside a near empty stadium. It was only when crowds dropped at the Dell did the board finally register something needed to be done. Perhaps the people who have purchased tickets for this weekend are the people who will fill the fanzones and the club will notice no difference on that front but to mask a fairly empty stadium as people not having money at this time of year or some such reason would be fairly remiss of them.
I have never spent money on food and drink at St. Mary's it's overpriced, much better to go into the city and spend. Did try to have a look at the new Dell bar, but it's bookings only on match days, said I could go in for a £10 entry fee (no thanks), it was almost empty no one on the seats outside. Fan Zones so rammed, give them a miss, not going at 12.00 so I can get a seat (seems many reserve spaces for friends to arrive later!!)
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Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 13:17 - Jan 6 with 1299 views
Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 13:07 - Jan 6 by MytchettSaint
I agree with a lot of things in this post Nick, where I beg to differ is the part about fans protesting outside the stadium. We did that with Branfoot, we even did a sit in after one game on the Milton. What will send more of a message to the board will be a game inside a near empty stadium. It was only when crowds dropped at the Dell did the board finally register something needed to be done. Perhaps the people who have purchased tickets for this weekend are the people who will fill the fanzones and the club will notice no difference on that front but to mask a fairly empty stadium as people not having money at this time of year or some such reason would be fairly remiss of them.
I agree an empty stadium would make a big splash, but we haven't the fan base to do that sort of thing thesecdays.
Back in the Branfoot days we protested before the game, then 90 minutes support then again at the final whistle, we protested in the car park.
To be honest having just looked this up the crowds actually stayed fairly static in the last few months of Branfoot's reign and if anything improved a little, for Branfoot's final League game at home to Norwich the gate was 16,556, the highest of the season up to that point.
The first game after he was sacked the crowds were a little less until Alan Ball took over
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Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 14:11 - Jan 6 with 1194 views
Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 11:49 - Jan 6 by PatfromPoole
I feel that this is partly aimed at me, so feel I should have right of reply.
I wasn't talking about boycotting games.
I was talking mainly about boycotting the vanity projects which Parsons has been so keen to champion. All the "customer experience" nonsense.
They want fans to be on the stadium site from 12pm until 8pm on a Saturday, so they can milk us for as much as they can.
And to hell with any long-established pubs in the City which fall by the wayside. I was in the Bedford pre-match on Saturday, and I know you were after the game, and its closure saddens both us and many others.
Some people will love all that sanitised customer experience nonsense, and Parsons dreams of having a fanbase made up wholly of people who are not bright enough to see the bigger picture.
There is little we can do without there being a potential owner with deep pockets in the background. That is obvious.
However the more that people go in the gulags and buy their crap beer, the more that Parsons will think he is doing a great job.
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Talking of sanitised customer experience. I've just looked at "The Dell" as an example of that. £25 for a meal and a drink. The "menu" - Sausage and mash, Fish and chips, or a Dell burger! Oh, and add 12.5% service charge if 4 of you.
Ok, pitch side view and obviously you have to buy your own ticket (although is that the Premium £60+ or go and sit in the cheap seats I'm not so sure. but does that really sound inviting? Mayby for a few local companies taking clients out so tax refundable somewhere along the line no doubt, but for your average Joe supporter?
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Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 14:38 - Jan 6 with 1156 views
Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 12:57 - Jan 6 by PatfromPoole
Ah, if it's social media influencers you need, I cannot claim any ounce of kudos there.
I have to doff my cap here to the likes of SaintRob and Football Martin, who are overwhelmed with gushing apostles.
“If fans want to boycott then why not protest, 5,000 or so fans welcoming the team coach was a magnificent sight last May, so why aren't 5,000 now doing the same but protesting.”
There was large vocal support in the Northam and some other parts about getting Martin out at the spurs game. Martin actually was quoted as saying “30, 000 saints fans wanted me out” so this did work and other people at the top obviously noticed it so it’s not like the fans aren’t protesting .
Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 14:37 - Jan 6 by kingslandstand1
Talking of sanitised customer experience. I've just looked at "The Dell" as an example of that. £25 for a meal and a drink. The "menu" - Sausage and mash, Fish and chips, or a Dell burger! Oh, and add 12.5% service charge if 4 of you.
Ok, pitch side view and obviously you have to buy your own ticket (although is that the Premium £60+ or go and sit in the cheap seats I'm not so sure. but does that really sound inviting? Mayby for a few local companies taking clients out so tax refundable somewhere along the line no doubt, but for your average Joe supporter?
This is another part of the problem. The flashy bits are highlighted but the product is no good. A classic case of fur coat and no knickers.
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Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 15:29 - Jan 6 with 1035 views
The situation the club/team finds itself in highlights a number of issues that are wrong with the football business.
Ultimately, the club did not lack investment but it did lack an experienced hand in placing that investment. The result is a team that is low on quality (and now confidence) to such an extent that we may struggle to stay in the Championship next year.
It may be that we were promoted too early which surprised the strategists and/or the rules designed to keep PL teams in the PL and not allow outsiders to join the club and/or just the wrong manager which compounded the recruiting problems.
Regardless I suspect that the owners gave little or not thought to the fans because ultimately it's the owners the club belongs to and not the fans.
We fans have an emotional attachment of course and we make a contribution to revenues, but a small one. TV and syndication rights are where the big bucks are at. So long as they continue, the owners care little for where the club is unless we have a real long term fall into L2 - at which point they sell.
Boycotts of match day purchases will make little difference.
A good section of the fan base leaving the match at a given time, say after 40 minutes, would be a better way to protest.
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Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 15:36 - Jan 6 with 1012 views
Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 15:29 - Jan 6 by saint901
The situation the club/team finds itself in highlights a number of issues that are wrong with the football business.
Ultimately, the club did not lack investment but it did lack an experienced hand in placing that investment. The result is a team that is low on quality (and now confidence) to such an extent that we may struggle to stay in the Championship next year.
It may be that we were promoted too early which surprised the strategists and/or the rules designed to keep PL teams in the PL and not allow outsiders to join the club and/or just the wrong manager which compounded the recruiting problems.
Regardless I suspect that the owners gave little or not thought to the fans because ultimately it's the owners the club belongs to and not the fans.
We fans have an emotional attachment of course and we make a contribution to revenues, but a small one. TV and syndication rights are where the big bucks are at. So long as they continue, the owners care little for where the club is unless we have a real long term fall into L2 - at which point they sell.
Boycotts of match day purchases will make little difference.
A good section of the fan base leaving the match at a given time, say after 40 minutes, would be a better way to protest.
A large inflatable of Ankerson as a baby wearing a dunce's hat is another option.
I wonder how much would need to be crowd-funded?...
Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 15:29 - Jan 6 by saint901
The situation the club/team finds itself in highlights a number of issues that are wrong with the football business.
Ultimately, the club did not lack investment but it did lack an experienced hand in placing that investment. The result is a team that is low on quality (and now confidence) to such an extent that we may struggle to stay in the Championship next year.
It may be that we were promoted too early which surprised the strategists and/or the rules designed to keep PL teams in the PL and not allow outsiders to join the club and/or just the wrong manager which compounded the recruiting problems.
Regardless I suspect that the owners gave little or not thought to the fans because ultimately it's the owners the club belongs to and not the fans.
We fans have an emotional attachment of course and we make a contribution to revenues, but a small one. TV and syndication rights are where the big bucks are at. So long as they continue, the owners care little for where the club is unless we have a real long term fall into L2 - at which point they sell.
Boycotts of match day purchases will make little difference.
A good section of the fan base leaving the match at a given time, say after 40 minutes, would be a better way to protest.
Liverpool made this protest when they introduced a £75 ticket a few years back, they arranged to leave in the 75th minute, they have a well organised fanbase and managed to get around 10,000 or a quarter of the crowd to leave.
Whether Saints could achieve that is another matter, the main problem is that if there were to be a major incident in the game on 73-75 minutes then the crowd would forget about leaving, Saints get a penalty on 74 minutes and no one is leaving.
So this option is open to how the match is going etc.
Back in 1993 we considered something similar, but at the start of the match, if a large portion of the crowd decided not to enter the ground until 3pm and waited outside, then this would make make people think, the chances are the game would have to be delayed because of potential crowd issues.
Not that I am suggesting this, only saying what we considered and didn't do back in 1993
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Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 15:57 - Jan 6 with 974 views
At the end of the day,people are not going to spend their hard earned cash to watch the team lose week after week and in a lot cases getting thrashed i e by 5 goal thrashings at home.
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Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 15:57 - Jan 6 by grumpy
At the end of the day,people are not going to spend their hard earned cash to watch the team lose week after week and in a lot cases getting thrashed i e by 5 goal thrashings at home.
Not a dig at you, but last season people moaned that they werent being entertained even when we were winning games.
No one can say the games arent entertaining this season
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Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 16:02 - Jan 6 with 954 views
I remember protesting against Rupert Lowe outside St Mary's board room and he just shut the curtains 🤣 I think what it tells me is the critical part of the club is recruitment. Get that right and you can thrive like Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford. Get it wrong and everything else you do is pointless. Even a brilliant manager can't spin gold from straw.
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Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 15:59 - Jan 6 by SaintNick
Not a dig at you, but last season people moaned that they werent being entertained even when we were winning games.
No one can say the games arent entertaining this season
Call me daft, but I (again) stayed to the bitter end Saturday. Now, that is not to say normally I don’t adhere to the 3 goal rule, but for some sadistic reason I was just dumbstruck at how things were panning out with the new man at the helm.
The worst bit of all? My misses has a friend who goes with her young lad (circa maybe 11 or 12) whom I could see sat in the Kingsland. Like moi, stayed to the bitter end. I messsged her after the game to comment how bad I felt for nipper (again!) no doubt having to go to school to have the pïss ripped out of him today. I commented on how good it was that he was following Saints but couldn’t understand why he just doesn’t support City or Liverpool. Apparently he followed City initially, but after kids tipping him for being a ‘glory supporter’ is now fully behind Saints. KUDOS to the lad and nobody can level being a glory supporter anymore!!!
Ready and waiting to mop up those European places......
Stand Up & Be Counted But Address The Real Issues Not The Petty Ones on 17:54 - Jan 6 by TripleNiemi
Call me daft, but I (again) stayed to the bitter end Saturday. Now, that is not to say normally I don’t adhere to the 3 goal rule, but for some sadistic reason I was just dumbstruck at how things were panning out with the new man at the helm.
The worst bit of all? My misses has a friend who goes with her young lad (circa maybe 11 or 12) whom I could see sat in the Kingsland. Like moi, stayed to the bitter end. I messsged her after the game to comment how bad I felt for nipper (again!) no doubt having to go to school to have the pïss ripped out of him today. I commented on how good it was that he was following Saints but couldn’t understand why he just doesn’t support City or Liverpool. Apparently he followed City initially, but after kids tipping him for being a ‘glory supporter’ is now fully behind Saints. KUDOS to the lad and nobody can level being a glory supporter anymore!!!
'...dumbstruck at how things were panning out with the new man at the helm.'
Exactly this.
Exactly the same 'wtaf is going on?' feeling as during those early Nathan Jones games.