| The folly of selecting Grimes 14:50 - Dec 21 with 2127 views | onehunglow |
All a team has to do is simply ensure he is pressurised .
Opponents know that everything goes through him,that he is one footed,that he is slow,that he is poor tackled and his shooting is normally absent . They know he doesn’t inspire a side nor lead nor chivvy up players like MPH,appallingly playing a whole game today .
They know that should they press him ,he will gift them.
He did it persistently today and most co@ he’s would have hooked him
He’s costing us dearly but not as much as the “ coach”
Fair to say ,it’s not a good start to Christmas
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 14:07 - Dec 22 with 646 views | union_jack |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:56 - Dec 22 by SullutaCreturned |
Grimes isn't a captain, he'd do better without the pressure in my opinion. I'd make Darling or Vigoroux captain. Grimes has been described as a great pro, if he is then taking the captaincy for the teams good should be ok with him.
We don't have to drop Grimes either, he could play higher up the pitch. He'd still keep possession but wouldn't have the opportunity for such negative passes that put is in trouble yesterday.
Given the level of performances and our thin squad, LW really needs to poull a few players in from the U21 and give them a go. Those players on the bench that are never going to play, ditch them. Tell them they can find a new club come January and try some of the kids, can it get worse than it already is? That striker with the U21's, hasn't he been much touted on here? Can he do worse than not score?
This is where I need Jasper so he can give us a reliable update on the U21's. |
I totally agree on your point about Grimes. I was questioning whether or not he’d be too deflated to give 110% each game?
As for the youngsters. Yes, some need bench and late sub experience now.
I’ve been vocal about the step up from U21 level to full Championship level but although ability, strength and pace are required, confidence also plays a huge part. Small steps are needed. |  |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 14:10 - Dec 22 with 645 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 14:07 - Dec 22 by union_jack |
I totally agree on your point about Grimes. I was questioning whether or not he’d be too deflated to give 110% each game?
As for the youngsters. Yes, some need bench and late sub experience now.
I’ve been vocal about the step up from U21 level to full Championship level but although ability, strength and pace are required, confidence also plays a huge part. Small steps are needed. |
I refuse to believe any of our under 21 would be a worse option than the likes of MPH .
Lose to QPR and pressure is on him and then another could see him off.It might be the Pompey game that sees him go . | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 14:14 - Dec 22 with 624 views | union_jack |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 14:10 - Dec 22 by onehunglow |
I refuse to believe any of our under 21 would be a worse option than the likes of MPH .
Lose to QPR and pressure is on him and then another could see him off.It might be the Pompey game that sees him go . |
We’ll see! | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 14:17 - Dec 22 with 617 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 14:14 - Dec 22 by union_jack |
We’ll see! |
We will. | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:10 - Dec 22 with 586 views | Tomsyard |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:40 - Dec 22 by jack247 |
I think he comes too deep at times.
But it’s either Grimes bringing us from defence to midfield, or we have to drop both our fullbacks further back. Having him in the middle allows the centre backs to split and the fullbacks to go forward.
If he wasn’t doing it, we’d have more chance of playing through the midfield, but would lose width on both sides. |
Tactically you’re absolutely right. I’ve said it before on my occasional posting on here that the reason he has to drop deep is because he’s the only player we can trust to receive the ball in tight areas, under pressure and retain possession allowing the full backs to push on. I just don’t get this constant hatred directed at him. If we had a real number 9 who could hold the ball up and tie up apposing defenders and players with speed his game and the teams would look totally different. The lack of those type of players season after season is what we should be shouting about. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:15 - Dec 22 with 580 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:10 - Dec 22 by Tomsyard |
Tactically you’re absolutely right. I’ve said it before on my occasional posting on here that the reason he has to drop deep is because he’s the only player we can trust to receive the ball in tight areas, under pressure and retain possession allowing the full backs to push on. I just don’t get this constant hatred directed at him. If we had a real number 9 who could hold the ball up and tie up apposing defenders and players with speed his game and the teams would look totally different. The lack of those type of players season after season is what we should be shouting about. |
I don’t understand the word “ hatred” being used in this context .
Neither it is personal.
He gets very good money and is an employee of our club .
He has always been the only one and that in itself damns us .
Stop him,you stop us
People need to understand what hatred is all about | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:26 - Dec 22 with 560 views | Whiterockin |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:15 - Dec 22 by onehunglow |
I don’t understand the word “ hatred” being used in this context .
Neither it is personal.
He gets very good money and is an employee of our club .
He has always been the only one and that in itself damns us .
Stop him,you stop us
People need to understand what hatred is all about |
The stop Grimes and you stop us is quite right, it proves he is head and shoulders above any other midfield player we have. It's not his fault, more down to recruitment. |  | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:27 - Dec 22 with 554 views | lifelong |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:15 - Dec 22 by onehunglow |
I don’t understand the word “ hatred” being used in this context .
Neither it is personal.
He gets very good money and is an employee of our club .
He has always been the only one and that in itself damns us .
Stop him,you stop us
People need to understand what hatred is all about |
‘He is the only one that dams us’
Get a grip ffs. |  | | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:32 - Dec 22 with 549 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:27 - Dec 22 by lifelong |
‘He is the only one that dams us’
Get a grip ffs. |
If using inverted commas ,at least get the text right .
Now try again.
Read slower and look at the opinions of others . Respond to them even.
I will try again, that he is the only one who can be trusted ,damns us .
Pretty prosaic stuff really . | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:55 - Dec 22 with 511 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 14:10 - Dec 22 by onehunglow |
I refuse to believe any of our under 21 would be a worse option than the likes of MPH .
Lose to QPR and pressure is on him and then another could see him off.It might be the Pompey game that sees him go . |
Do you think we’d be that decisive with the manager?
A couple of weeks ago we went toe to toe with Leeds and Burnley and were unlucky to lose both.
I’m not saying I disagree but I’d be surprised.
His comments after games are getting bizarre though compared to earlier in the season.
Reminds me a lot of the bad run under RM.looks like a complete lack of effort and faith all round |  |
| This is Patches O'Houlihan saying "Take care of your balls, and they'll take care of you." |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:59 - Dec 22 with 494 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:10 - Dec 22 by Tomsyard |
Tactically you’re absolutely right. I’ve said it before on my occasional posting on here that the reason he has to drop deep is because he’s the only player we can trust to receive the ball in tight areas, under pressure and retain possession allowing the full backs to push on. I just don’t get this constant hatred directed at him. If we had a real number 9 who could hold the ball up and tie up apposing defenders and players with speed his game and the teams would look totally different. The lack of those type of players season after season is what we should be shouting about. |
You say we can trust him to receive the ball in tight areas to keep possession. I’d disagree. The last few weeks he’s coughed up possession when under pressure leading to opportunities as the opposition know exactly what to do to us | |
| This is Patches O'Houlihan saying "Take care of your balls, and they'll take care of you." |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 16:35 - Dec 22 with 457 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:55 - Dec 22 by PatchesOHoulihan |
Do you think we’d be that decisive with the manager?
A couple of weeks ago we went toe to toe with Leeds and Burnley and were unlucky to lose both.
I’m not saying I disagree but I’d be surprised.
His comments after games are getting bizarre though compared to earlier in the season.
Reminds me a lot of the bad run under RM.looks like a complete lack of effort and faith all round |
Yes.
We are where we are
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 16:38 - Dec 22 with 453 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:59 - Dec 22 by PatchesOHoulihan |
You say we can trust him to receive the ball in tight areas to keep possession. I’d disagree. The last few weeks he’s coughed up possession when under pressure leading to opportunities as the opposition know exactly what to do to us |
His getting pressured and gifting possession has costed us before and he’s also had very close shaves .
He receives the ball as of right even if it means a one yard pass to him.
It is crazy
How does anyone know not playing with him wouldn’t make us more effective
We’ve not even tried it against the likes of Wycombe wanderers
Now,what about Vigaroux and his touch finding | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 16:57 - Dec 22 with 423 views | union_jack |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 16:38 - Dec 22 by onehunglow |
His getting pressured and gifting possession has costed us before and he’s also had very close shaves .
He receives the ball as of right even if it means a one yard pass to him.
It is crazy
How does anyone know not playing with him wouldn’t make us more effective
We’ve not even tried it against the likes of Wycombe wanderers
Now,what about Vigaroux and his touch finding |
Regarding Vigouroux, it’s all about percentages. The more times he does the same thing over and over again, the greater chance he’s going to get more wrong which yesterday resulted in the winning goal.
Mix things up, we are too one-dimensional. | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:05 - Dec 22 with 401 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 16:57 - Dec 22 by union_jack |
Regarding Vigouroux, it’s all about percentages. The more times he does the same thing over and over again, the greater chance he’s going to get more wrong which yesterday resulted in the winning goal.
Mix things up, we are too one-dimensional. |
UJ
His distribution was excellent but if Kate he has persistently found touch or stroked the ball to opposition
When he walks out of goal ,then stops and outs his foot on the ball ,my heart is on the mouth . It’s crazy
Frazier Forster of Spurs has just done the same thing .
Larry has been excellent,a real rock that we needed ,I simply want him to remain such . That’s all .
I really do think most of our players are being reborn under a bad sign and I don’t like it at all.
And it’s not hate. | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:07 - Dec 22 with 397 views | KeithHaynes |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 16:57 - Dec 22 by union_jack |
Regarding Vigouroux, it’s all about percentages. The more times he does the same thing over and over again, the greater chance he’s going to get more wrong which yesterday resulted in the winning goal.
Mix things up, we are too one-dimensional. |
He’s on par with Fisher over the past four games.
Give him a rest, tell him he’s still number one and give McGloughlin a pop. It could encourage him to extend his contract. As I’ve said I know Margetson rates him very highly. |  |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:10 - Dec 22 with 378 views | union_jack |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:07 - Dec 22 by KeithHaynes |
He’s on par with Fisher over the past four games.
Give him a rest, tell him he’s still number one and give McGloughlin a pop. It could encourage him to extend his contract. As I’ve said I know Margetson rates him very highly. |
I don’t know if that’s necessary or not but I’d start with altering the kick out strategy. As I said, mix it up a bit. | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:12 - Dec 22 with 375 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:10 - Dec 22 by union_jack |
I don’t know if that’s necessary or not but I’d start with altering the kick out strategy. As I said, mix it up a bit. |
Indeed.
Keith as a point
Larry needs a wake up call | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:23 - Dec 22 with 351 views | union_jack |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:12 - Dec 22 by onehunglow |
Indeed.
Keith as a point
Larry needs a wake up call |
Keit certainly does have a point. I’d say that a dropping isn’t warranted yet.
A GK is a technical position different to the other 10. It’s also one that heavily relies on confidence which sometimes takes games to build up (as was the case with Vig). Bringing in McLoughlin would be a retrograde step at this point in time as he’d need to build up his confidence levels and any errors along the way, and given our defence at times there’ll be plenty of opportunities for that, would set him back. Stick with Vig for the near future would be my option. | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:32 - Dec 22 with 346 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:23 - Dec 22 by union_jack |
Keit certainly does have a point. I’d say that a dropping isn’t warranted yet.
A GK is a technical position different to the other 10. It’s also one that heavily relies on confidence which sometimes takes games to build up (as was the case with Vig). Bringing in McLoughlin would be a retrograde step at this point in time as he’d need to build up his confidence levels and any errors along the way, and given our defence at times there’ll be plenty of opportunities for that, would set him back. Stick with Vig for the near future would be my option. |
He does need a kick up the pants though.
He’s become lazy
I’d rather he stays where he is but we really don’t need another liability in goal.
This can be easily mended | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 07:26 - Dec 23 with 203 views | sons_of_omri |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:10 - Dec 22 by Tomsyard |
Tactically you’re absolutely right. I’ve said it before on my occasional posting on here that the reason he has to drop deep is because he’s the only player we can trust to receive the ball in tight areas, under pressure and retain possession allowing the full backs to push on. I just don’t get this constant hatred directed at him. If we had a real number 9 who could hold the ball up and tie up apposing defenders and players with speed his game and the teams would look totally different. The lack of those type of players season after season is what we should be shouting about. |
If he were two footed I’d agree with you. However his over reliance on his left foot can quite often mean he plays a rushed pass to one of the back four or Vigoroux and calamity ensues.
This is a major problem with the system we play and neither Martin and the current manager could make it work. Hence the reason I see LW not being here that long | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:16 - Dec 23 with 167 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 07:26 - Dec 23 by sons_of_omri |
If he were two footed I’d agree with you. However his over reliance on his left foot can quite often mean he plays a rushed pass to one of the back four or Vigoroux and calamity ensues.
This is a major problem with the system we play and neither Martin and the current manager could make it work. Hence the reason I see LW not being here that long |
Indeed so | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:31 - Dec 23 with 161 views | RichardO |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 07:26 - Dec 23 by sons_of_omri |
If he were two footed I’d agree with you. However his over reliance on his left foot can quite often mean he plays a rushed pass to one of the back four or Vigoroux and calamity ensues.
This is a major problem with the system we play and neither Martin and the current manager could make it work. Hence the reason I see LW not being here that long |
Someone mentioned that the more times you do the same thing the percentage of times you get it wrong increases but then you have to add the fact that opposition teams know what you are going to do then they can anticipate it so it increases the percentage of times you get in wrong.This is affecting not just Vigouroux's kick out but our general play and if you do it in your own defensive third of the pitch them if the opposition decides to press you that percentage also increases again making getting it wrong almost a certainty.
It comes to a point as a fan that you know the opposition is going to score against us it is totally demoralising imagine what it is doing to the players and manager.
So how about playing the ball into areas we know we can compete and not into areas that we know we will be over run.
We have shown against Leeds and Sunderland we can score goals but in trying to play that way we also gave away a bucket load expecting our main elements of our attack to be our fullbacks, it is crazy, our main elements of attack should be our forwards and if you are slow in getting it to them the defences can get organised and shut us down and boy oh boy did Hull do that!
How many times did did we have the chance to get the ball forward quickly but didn't, preferring to play it backwards inviting pressure that eventually told.
The very percentages we talk about for making mistakes in defence equally apply to the opposition and yet we don't play in a way that reduces our percentage of mistakes and increases the opposition's.The playing of the ball in tight situations is all about the best way of getting out of it not further into it.
How often do we see Vigouroux or Grimes take the safe option but it usually means the safe options for the opposition. Every ball played has an element of risk but let us please let the risk be on the opposition more than us. A simple throw out to a fullback who has tracked back with a forward chasing a lost cause means the fullback can peal away to receive an easy throw out in front of him to run onto, it doesn't happen!
The playing the long ball up to our fullbacks who is tight on our winger is nonesense as it means that one opposition fullback if competent enough can take out of play both our fullback and winger it also means we are exposed on the flanks.
The quick ball over the top or in the channels should be one of our first weapons of choice not our last. [Post edited 23 Dec 9:52]
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:38 - Dec 23 with 159 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:31 - Dec 23 by RichardO |
Someone mentioned that the more times you do the same thing the percentage of times you get it wrong increases but then you have to add the fact that opposition teams know what you are going to do then they can anticipate it so it increases the percentage of times you get in wrong.This is affecting not just Vigouroux's kick out but our general play and if you do it in your own defensive third of the pitch them if the opposition decides to press you that percentage also increases again making getting it wrong almost a certainty.
It comes to a point as a fan that you know the opposition is going to score against us it is totally demoralising imagine what it is doing to the players and manager.
So how about playing the ball into areas we know we can compete and not into areas that we know we will be over run.
We have shown against Leeds and Sunderland we can score goals but in trying to play that way we also gave away a bucket load expecting our main elements of our attack to be our fullbacks, it is crazy, our main elements of attack should be our forwards and if you are slow in getting it to them the defences can get organised and shut us down and boy oh boy did Hull do that!
How many times did did we have the chance to get the ball forward quickly but didn't, preferring to play it backwards inviting pressure that eventually told.
The very percentages we talk about for making mistakes in defence equally apply to the opposition and yet we don't play in a way that reduces our percentage of mistakes and increases the opposition's.The playing of the ball in tight situations is all about the best way of getting out of it not further into it.
How often do we see Vigouroux or Grimes take the safe option but it usually means the safe options for the opposition. Every ball played has an element of risk but let us please let the risk be on the opposition more than us. A simple throw out to a fullback who has tracked back with a forward chasing a lost cause means the fullback can peal away to receive an easy throw out in front of him to run onto, it doesn't happen!
The playing the long ball up to our fullbacks who is tight on our winger is nonesense as it means that one opposition fullback if competent enough can take out of play both our fullback and winger it also means we are exposed on the flanks.
The quick ball over the top or in the channels should be one of our first weapons of choice not our last. [Post edited 23 Dec 9:52]
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That’s a long one but dead right
I will be more concise
Even poor times know they have a chance against us and put their bad run to bed . Pompey do,Hull did exactly that .
Why gift teams
Hull started out like they were bottom and ended up looking like they were top
Why? Because they had a coach who simply told them to simply dig in and pressurise our captain who will ensure that his team mates bugger about and offer gifts .
It was Vigaroux turn this time ,it’ll be the turn of Key or Tymon next .
It has to end
It can end | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 10:48 - Dec 23 with 97 views | union_jack |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:31 - Dec 23 by RichardO |
Someone mentioned that the more times you do the same thing the percentage of times you get it wrong increases but then you have to add the fact that opposition teams know what you are going to do then they can anticipate it so it increases the percentage of times you get in wrong.This is affecting not just Vigouroux's kick out but our general play and if you do it in your own defensive third of the pitch them if the opposition decides to press you that percentage also increases again making getting it wrong almost a certainty.
It comes to a point as a fan that you know the opposition is going to score against us it is totally demoralising imagine what it is doing to the players and manager.
So how about playing the ball into areas we know we can compete and not into areas that we know we will be over run.
We have shown against Leeds and Sunderland we can score goals but in trying to play that way we also gave away a bucket load expecting our main elements of our attack to be our fullbacks, it is crazy, our main elements of attack should be our forwards and if you are slow in getting it to them the defences can get organised and shut us down and boy oh boy did Hull do that!
How many times did did we have the chance to get the ball forward quickly but didn't, preferring to play it backwards inviting pressure that eventually told.
The very percentages we talk about for making mistakes in defence equally apply to the opposition and yet we don't play in a way that reduces our percentage of mistakes and increases the opposition's.The playing of the ball in tight situations is all about the best way of getting out of it not further into it.
How often do we see Vigouroux or Grimes take the safe option but it usually means the safe options for the opposition. Every ball played has an element of risk but let us please let the risk be on the opposition more than us. A simple throw out to a fullback who has tracked back with a forward chasing a lost cause means the fullback can peal away to receive an easy throw out in front of him to run onto, it doesn't happen!
The playing the long ball up to our fullbacks who is tight on our winger is nonesense as it means that one opposition fullback if competent enough can take out of play both our fullback and winger it also means we are exposed on the flanks.
The quick ball over the top or in the channels should be one of our first weapons of choice not our last. [Post edited 23 Dec 9:52]
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Excellent post Richard.👍 | |
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