| Out Of Contract 21:25 - Dec 19 with 7139 views | derbyhoop |
As far as I am aware we have 9 key players OOC next Summer.
Dunne, Cook, Fox, Paal, Colback, Chair, Anderson, Frey and Kolli.
Isn't it about time the club offered new deals to those they need to keep.
I 'd be prepared to let Fox, , Colback and Anderson go, but the rest I'd keep. |  |
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| Out Of Contract on 11:40 - Dec 20 with 2327 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Out Of Contract on 11:36 - Dec 20 by loftboy |
If he was perfect he wouldn’t be playing for us! |
True!
Nourry's motto. |  |
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| Out Of Contract on 11:42 - Dec 20 with 2295 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Out Of Contract on 10:50 - Dec 20 by TheChef |
Haha yes, so simple to release most of your players and replace them with 15-20 new ones who will all be better and fit right in.
Total nonsense. |
It's not nonsense at all. It was done when Warburton first took over, and it's going to have to happen again if we want to push for promotion.
We are near the bottom, which is a big sign suggesting the players aren't good enough.
As for Dunne. Yes, he plays with his heart on his sleeve and doesn't hide, but he can't pass. Which you have to do if we want to play the stay MC wants. |  | | |
| Out Of Contract on 11:49 - Dec 20 with 2236 views | TheChef |
| Out Of Contract on 11:42 - Dec 20 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
It's not nonsense at all. It was done when Warburton first took over, and it's going to have to happen again if we want to push for promotion.
We are near the bottom, which is a big sign suggesting the players aren't good enough.
As for Dunne. Yes, he plays with his heart on his sleeve and doesn't hide, but he can't pass. Which you have to do if we want to play the stay MC wants. |
Not to that extent under Warburton, that I recall. You're saying we signed more than ten new players over one summer?
And as you well know our recruitment is very hit and miss - no way that we can consistently recruit that many players of sufficient quality, in one go. |  |
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| Out Of Contract on 12:05 - Dec 20 with 2201 views | GaryHaddock |
| Out Of Contract on 11:31 - Dec 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
Overall, I think he's a good keeper, Hoopstar, and would be even better in another Division or League. I just think he's very poor in the air.
In the last game I counted four times when he should have come for simple high balls but didn't. On two occasions we nearly conceded as a result.
Otherwise, I like him. |
A lot of foreign keepers struggle with high balls in their first seasons in England don't they.
I remember that German keeper at Arsenal whose name escapes me whining about it all time.
Hopefully next year he'll have that in his game too then I think we got a great asset. |  | | |
| Out Of Contract on 12:14 - Dec 20 with 2180 views | dmm |
I'm also thinking about the January window. It seems likely we won't see Celar again this season so we desperately need a striker. I doubt there's anything much in the budget so it would have to be a loan. It would have to be a player ready to play in this league from the off. That narrows it down a lot. |  | | |
| Out Of Contract on 12:35 - Dec 20 with 2144 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Out Of Contract on 12:05 - Dec 20 by GaryHaddock |
A lot of foreign keepers struggle with high balls in their first seasons in England don't they.
I remember that German keeper at Arsenal whose name escapes me whining about it all time.
Hopefully next year he'll have that in his game too then I think we got a great asset. |
Hopefully. | |
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| Out Of Contract on 12:38 - Dec 20 with 2126 views | Hastings_Hoops |
Just need one more year out of cook to allow us to bed in a replacement, which we seem to have found! |  | | |
| Out Of Contract on 13:17 - Dec 20 with 2047 views | BrianWilson |
| Out Of Contract on 11:42 - Dec 20 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
It's not nonsense at all. It was done when Warburton first took over, and it's going to have to happen again if we want to push for promotion.
We are near the bottom, which is a big sign suggesting the players aren't good enough.
As for Dunne. Yes, he plays with his heart on his sleeve and doesn't hide, but he can't pass. Which you have to do if we want to play the stay MC wants. |
Sure but when we sign the lads that can pass and they turn out to be shite then we will need Jimmy to come back in and steady the ship. Rinse and repeat. |  |
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| Out Of Contract on 13:50 - Dec 20 with 1977 views | KensalT |
| Out Of Contract on 22:06 - Dec 19 by Northernr |
There's some finance elements to it obviously, and some age issues.
So atm you wouldn't renew Andersen, Fox or Colback (hopefully that third year option is on our side not his), Cook really depends atm you would, Frey needs a good second half of the season. Dunne I'd walk over coals to keep. Kolli seems to depend on money, Paal they seem to have taken against.
What is worth bearing in mind though is that's potentially half your team going out of the door again. A lot of experience too. Are we going to let that happen and bring another ten analytics lads from Europe in again? This amount of churn and turnover every summer isn't good, and signings of the profile of this summer would stand a much better chance of success if there were five of them coming into a settled side not ten of them and complete transformation.
So if you're undecided on somebody like Dunne, I think the value of continuity and a good, solid squad member over yet more change and churn in a key position elevates him further.
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Before we rush to kick Frey to the curb we should remember that we are short of strikers as it is. I agree that he needs a good second half of the season, but he has shown that he can score and bully defences at this level.
Kolli's not the finished article, but he's another attacking player we don't want to lose. It might come down to money, but how much will it cost to replace him if he leaves?
The glut of number tens in this squad makes me suspect the club is preparing for life after Chair.
Paal also looks like his days are numbered, given that we were trying to offload him last summer.
I would be reluctant to lose the experience and influence of Cook. Perhaps a one-year player/coaching role might suit all parties. He could continue to mentor Morrison who will likely succeed him in the first team.
Colback has missed a lot of games, but the data shows that we perform a lot better when he does play. Tricky one, but age, fitness, and the inability to control his short fuse are not on his side.
The way Andersen's form has dropped off, I'm wondering if he hasn't already been told there's no future for him here!
Fox is a useful squad player who can cover several positions on the left. For that reason it might be useful to keep him if Paal and Colback move on. But he has only started one league game this season and he might not want another season warming the bench at his age. So even if we offer him a deal he might prefer to move on and get first team action elsewhere.
And that leaves Dunne. I would want to keep him, and I'm surprised he hasn't been tied-down already. It might be that a deal has already been done and the club is waiting for the right time to announce it (fingers crossed), or they don't think his profile fits going forward! | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 14:00 - Dec 20 with 1950 views | lassel |
Assuming Chair is sold in January, I wouldn’t extend any of the rest. In reality of course, Dunne & Kolli will get extensions and Cook & Colback may well activate their options. | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 14:09 - Dec 20 with 1918 views | dmm |
| Out Of Contract on 14:00 - Dec 20 by lassel |
Assuming Chair is sold in January, I wouldn’t extend any of the rest. In reality of course, Dunne & Kolli will get extensions and Cook & Colback may well activate their options. |
By that, are you assuming the extra year option for both players is for them to take? It's usually the club's decision. | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 14:12 - Dec 20 with 1895 views | DavieQPR |
Ah the annual cry of making a senior player a coach. If Cook goes then you could renew the contracts of three or four those players at no extra cost. Cook is approaching the age when his legs could go ( bit like Andersen). Morrison is more than adequate to take over allowing for another younger player to come in. Same for Colback who is already showing injury susceptibility [Post edited 23 Dec 16:01]
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| Out Of Contract on 14:13 - Dec 20 with 1905 views | LazyFan |
Let Go:
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Andersen
He's injured sometimes, but he seems to lack the legs to get around the Champ anymore. Also, his form has dropped recently. We have Dembele now, and if we get Saito, we don't need him.
Fox
Injured every season and for lengthy periods, and he cost us a game when he did play. Playing better now, but he cannot be relied upon, so, no, he will be let go.
Colback
Better player than Fox, but injured even more often (competing with JCS on the injury table) and prone to rash outbursts like he's player in Football Manager. Madsen was supposed to replace him. I think we need to let go as with his high wages we could get someone like Isaac Hayden instead (who hopefully will be free and out of his expensive Newcastle contract by then).
Paal
It's clear that he phoned it in for some but not all of the games. We should sell him in January for whatever we can get for him. Watford will buy him for £500K. He got the skills but he's not quite fast enough. We cannot do better than him, but we can possibly get someone the same level who actually wants to stay.
Keep:
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Dunne
Should obviously be kept,as he can play a number of positions across the back line. And wins lots of headers from corners. Is also an outlet when we cannot break the press. Chips in with a few goals as well.
Cook
Marti just stated he's prem class, which is a message to renew his contract to the board. I suspect we shall keep him as he seems to like playing for us. Also, not injured that mutch for an old player.
Chair
I thought we had two years left. But it does mean in the summer we need to renew or sell him as he's on his last year. We should renew, it will cost, but he's worth it and also such a contract renewal will bring stability to the club. We might not sign Saito so, best to ensure we keep him regardless.
Frey
We need to keep him, as his goal record is decent, he's cheaper than buying a forward outright. And we shall need to do that anyway, but if we let him go, we shall need to buy two new forwards which we cannot afford. So, we should renew him, assume he's the backup forward and sign a new forward that is the main one.
Kolli
As we know, 3 forwards is not enough. If we keep Frey, sign another, then with Celar we shall need one more. Either we sign a second forward (impossible on our budget) or we give him a contract. Give him a contract as that's cheaper than signing a new forward.
Saito
It's obvious to sign him. But we need to do that in January for some money, as otherwise, he's out of contract in the summer, I believe. And of course, someone like Cardiff will come in and offer more money, and then he's off. The whole Japanese fans on the website webinar was, of course, to build the club up for him.
Come to QPR. We have Japanese fans. Look, look, we are in sexy London with Japanese schools for any kids you may have or yourself to learn English better. London is the least alien city for Japanese people in Europe. Look, Westfield has a Japanese shop. It's easy to get direct flights back home to Japan, and so on. All those other stereotypes to win him over (footballers are not renowned for being smart and doing their own research). |  |
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| Out Of Contract on 14:39 - Dec 20 with 1856 views | Hoopstar |
| Out Of Contract on 11:31 - Dec 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
Overall, I think he's a good keeper, Hoopstar, and would be even better in another Division or League. I just think he's very poor in the air.
In the last game I counted four times when he should have come for simple high balls but didn't. On two occasions we nearly conceded as a result.
Otherwise, I like him. |
Fingers crossed we can give him enough practise catching good crosses on the training pitch!!
Whenever someone directly mentions my username on here it makes me think I really ought to change the same name I've used since joining as a 15yo in the early noughties Rivals days haha. |  | | |
| Out Of Contract on 15:20 - Dec 20 with 1774 views | lassel |
| Out Of Contract on 14:09 - Dec 20 by dmm |
By that, are you assuming the extra year option for both players is for them to take? It's usually the club's decision. |
The club had to do some irresponsible deals to get Cook & Colback to join.
Same with Andersen and Frey who got extremely good second year options on their side in return for doing 6 months in return for a pack of polo’s. | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 16:15 - Dec 20 with 1668 views | Northernr |
| Out Of Contract on 08:10 - Dec 20 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Bar Chair I think the rest will be released. I understand the argument regarding high player turnover, a lot of new players etc but, how many of those players will sign for Championship teams?
Maybe Cook.
If we want to improve then we need better players, simple. |
And have the people currently running our club shown themselves capable to you of going out and finding all these better players on our budget? This season they've put us together a team with no strikers that can't pass the football to each other. |  | | |
| Out Of Contract on 16:27 - Dec 20 with 1594 views | stainrods_elbow |
This. When you've got absentee owners, a 14-year old with a North Korean complex as CEO, and a burnt-out, finger-raising jackass as Chairman, one's confidence in the latest recruitment is liable to be a touch dented. And that's before we get onto Marti's abilities to burnish a credible team and get it playing plausible, front-foot football, about which the jury is demonstrably out (unless you're Stevie Wonder). [Post edited 20 Dec 16:28]
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| Out Of Contract on 16:36 - Dec 20 with 1589 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Out Of Contract on 11:49 - Dec 20 by TheChef |
Not to that extent under Warburton, that I recall. You're saying we signed more than ten new players over one summer?
And as you well know our recruitment is very hit and miss - no way that we can consistently recruit that many players of sufficient quality, in one go. |
I think we did, including loans. It is a massive risk, but it's got to be done. | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 17:00 - Dec 20 with 1542 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Out Of Contract on 15:20 - Dec 20 by lassel |
The club had to do some irresponsible deals to get Cook & Colback to join.
Same with Andersen and Frey who got extremely good second year options on their side in return for doing 6 months in return for a pack of polo’s. |
Hardly irresponsible when the fact is we would surely have been relegated last season without Cook. |  | | |
| Out Of Contract on 14:26 - Dec 23 with 1163 views | Andybrat |
I see we are offering free printing for Kolli and Dunne shirts, ever the one to look at the posi5ives and I know they scored both goals but not the action of a club letting these 2 depart. | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 15:43 - Dec 23 with 1008 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Out Of Contract on 16:15 - Dec 20 by Northernr |
And have the people currently running our club shown themselves capable to you of going out and finding all these better players on our budget? This season they've put us together a team with no strikers that can't pass the football to each other. |
Totally agree, but I can't see a single player being offered a new deal. I'd hope Kolli and Dunne are kept, but the rest I can see being jettisoned come May. I think it is merely based on wages and getting cheaper options.
Cook and Colback alone must be on a fair whack. | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 16:19 - Dec 23 with 907 views | Stainrod |
Dunne, Cook, Frey and Kolli - essential we get them all re-signed.
Chair - if we get a good offer its probably time to say our sad goodbyes as its now or never. We finally look strong enough to survive without him. But if we can get him to re-sign and stay, that's great from a footballing perspective.
I would even keep Paal if he would re-sign as solid enough and works well with Chair.
Fox not a terrible reserve if no one better out there but if we can find the next Morrison, lets replenish the conveyor belt instead.
The only players I would definitely release are Andersen (the new Stefan Johansen really - after a promising start, just looks spent) and Coleback, as no point having a player who is never available.
Some fans seem to want some perpetual revolution. Successful clubs evolve instead. We are not going to get 10 Premier League standard players on free transfers.
Never thought I'd write this but not sure we need a whole lot more in January, excited to see how the current crop kick on. | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 21:05 - Dec 23 with 765 views | digswellhoop |
chair can go | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 21:53 - Dec 23 with 688 views | gazza1 |
Lets see what the 2nd half of the season brings eh!!!!!....then, perhaps, we can listen to valued judgements. There is also a little thing regarding financial payments as well which I am sure most of you know what they are all earning every week!!!! | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 04:02 - Dec 24 with 586 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Out Of Contract on 22:06 - Dec 19 by Northernr |
There's some finance elements to it obviously, and some age issues.
So atm you wouldn't renew Andersen, Fox or Colback (hopefully that third year option is on our side not his), Cook really depends atm you would, Frey needs a good second half of the season. Dunne I'd walk over coals to keep. Kolli seems to depend on money, Paal they seem to have taken against.
What is worth bearing in mind though is that's potentially half your team going out of the door again. A lot of experience too. Are we going to let that happen and bring another ten analytics lads from Europe in again? This amount of churn and turnover every summer isn't good, and signings of the profile of this summer would stand a much better chance of success if there were five of them coming into a settled side not ten of them and complete transformation.
So if you're undecided on somebody like Dunne, I think the value of continuity and a good, solid squad member over yet more change and churn in a key position elevates him further.
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Whilst I understand the underlying sentiment, QPR shouldn't be offering new contracts to ageing, ineffectual players (Colback, Fox, Anderson) because of a fear of churn. And even the players we wish to keep (Dunne, Chair, Kolli) may want to move on to pastures new. Naturally I hope they re-sign but it's in their hands so change may be inevitable. What I would agree with is if these players decide not to renew that QPR don't try to replace them all with analytical targets from abroad. Should the experienced players move on, that experience will need replacing with seasoned championship campaigners. |  | | |
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