| Andy Belk 07:48 - Nov 22 with 3822 views | toreqpr |
our emperor of darkness.I can not find anything about this man.If he is head of recruitment he must be the one to blame? I do not know how long he has been at the club,but thequality of players brought in over say the last 7 years have been mediocre to put it mildley He must be like teflon nothing sticks to that man.....
Please enlighten me about this conman who have stolen a living at our club for quite a substancial time |  | | |  |
| Andy Belk on 08:20 - Nov 22 with 2929 views | GaryHaddock |
I’m no expert, but buying players is a multi staff process i’d imagine.
He’s been here since 2015 so he might deserve credit for Eze, Bright, Dickie, Chair, Dieng, Barbet, Freeman, Cook, JCS, Field, and Paal too (amongst others).
Not saying this season or the last few have been great recruitment wise but he’a got a mixed record I think.
My instinct is that the problem is culture and policy which starts at the top. We’ve brought players with good pedigrees.
Maybe it’s not them that’s the problem it’s the club, as in we’ve brought good players and made them bad. [Post edited 22 Nov 8:43]
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| Andy Belk on 09:00 - Nov 22 with 2803 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Andy Belk on 08:20 - Nov 22 by GaryHaddock |
I’m no expert, but buying players is a multi staff process i’d imagine.
He’s been here since 2015 so he might deserve credit for Eze, Bright, Dickie, Chair, Dieng, Barbet, Freeman, Cook, JCS, Field, and Paal too (amongst others).
Not saying this season or the last few have been great recruitment wise but he’a got a mixed record I think.
My instinct is that the problem is culture and policy which starts at the top. We’ve brought players with good pedigrees.
Maybe it’s not them that’s the problem it’s the club, as in we’ve brought good players and made them bad. [Post edited 22 Nov 8:43]
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I suspect we can all cut, past, and apply the sentiment in your last two paragraphs retrospectively, currently and, in all probability, into the future across the full gamut of QPR activities. |  |
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| Andy Belk on 09:35 - Nov 22 with 2666 views | daveB |
He's been here a long time and can take credit for some good signings and a few stinkers as well. This summer was to my knowledge the first time he got a free hand on things and was able to bring in who he wanted without a manager or dof saying no and the end result has been a disaster.
The one good thing about the new structure is there is no hiding place anymore, if the recruitment is great we know where the credit goes, if it's crap we know who to blame |  | | |
| Andy Belk on 10:13 - Nov 22 with 2556 views | QPR_Jim |
| Andy Belk on 09:35 - Nov 22 by daveB |
He's been here a long time and can take credit for some good signings and a few stinkers as well. This summer was to my knowledge the first time he got a free hand on things and was able to bring in who he wanted without a manager or dof saying no and the end result has been a disaster.
The one good thing about the new structure is there is no hiding place anymore, if the recruitment is great we know where the credit goes, if it's crap we know who to blame |
I'm still not sure that he got a free hand this summer, it's still a team effort.
If you take the Madsen transfer as an example, we heard from Gallen that speaking to other scouts they identified that he was weak and non-combative. So we either missed something that everyone else could see or we decided we could develop him to remove that. If it's the first one then fair enough, he's missed what everyone else has seen and should take the criticism. If he's reported back that he's got the strength of a wet cardboard box and the DoF/manager/performance director has stepped in and said we can get him in they gym and beef him up or train it out of him, then it's not really his fault.
It's like signing injury prone players, as a scout you would probably flag it and you might be able to give them some idea of what their injury record is to see if it's one problem they need to solve or if he's breaking down all over the place. But the decision to take the risk and try to fix his injury record should be a conversation between DoF and Physio/medical team, not the scouting team.
Having said that, god knows who was in the room when we signed Santos. |  | | |
| Andy Belk on 10:17 - Nov 22 with 2542 views | GaryHaddock |
| Andy Belk on 10:13 - Nov 22 by QPR_Jim |
I'm still not sure that he got a free hand this summer, it's still a team effort.
If you take the Madsen transfer as an example, we heard from Gallen that speaking to other scouts they identified that he was weak and non-combative. So we either missed something that everyone else could see or we decided we could develop him to remove that. If it's the first one then fair enough, he's missed what everyone else has seen and should take the criticism. If he's reported back that he's got the strength of a wet cardboard box and the DoF/manager/performance director has stepped in and said we can get him in they gym and beef him up or train it out of him, then it's not really his fault.
It's like signing injury prone players, as a scout you would probably flag it and you might be able to give them some idea of what their injury record is to see if it's one problem they need to solve or if he's breaking down all over the place. But the decision to take the risk and try to fix his injury record should be a conversation between DoF and Physio/medical team, not the scouting team.
Having said that, god knows who was in the room when we signed Santos. |
This.
Also, if the club says ‘it’s Belk’ i’m checking under the peas. | | | |
| Andy Belk on 10:28 - Nov 22 with 2477 views | dmm |
I'm sure Marti said this summer's recruitment was a joint effort between him, Nourry and Belk. |  | | |
| Andy Belk on 10:49 - Nov 22 with 2406 views | daveB |
| Andy Belk on 10:13 - Nov 22 by QPR_Jim |
I'm still not sure that he got a free hand this summer, it's still a team effort.
If you take the Madsen transfer as an example, we heard from Gallen that speaking to other scouts they identified that he was weak and non-combative. So we either missed something that everyone else could see or we decided we could develop him to remove that. If it's the first one then fair enough, he's missed what everyone else has seen and should take the criticism. If he's reported back that he's got the strength of a wet cardboard box and the DoF/manager/performance director has stepped in and said we can get him in they gym and beef him up or train it out of him, then it's not really his fault.
It's like signing injury prone players, as a scout you would probably flag it and you might be able to give them some idea of what their injury record is to see if it's one problem they need to solve or if he's breaking down all over the place. But the decision to take the risk and try to fix his injury record should be a conversation between DoF and Physio/medical team, not the scouting team.
Having said that, god knows who was in the room when we signed Santos. |
free hand in terms of he had a far bigger say and can be held accountable more than at any other stage. | | | |
| Andy Belk (n/t) on 10:55 - Nov 22 with 2370 views | Seward |
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| Andy Belk (n/t) on 10:55 - Nov 22 with 2370 views | Seward |
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| Andy Belk on 11:59 - Nov 22 with 2184 views | Hayesender |
| Andy Belk on 10:13 - Nov 22 by QPR_Jim |
I'm still not sure that he got a free hand this summer, it's still a team effort.
If you take the Madsen transfer as an example, we heard from Gallen that speaking to other scouts they identified that he was weak and non-combative. So we either missed something that everyone else could see or we decided we could develop him to remove that. If it's the first one then fair enough, he's missed what everyone else has seen and should take the criticism. If he's reported back that he's got the strength of a wet cardboard box and the DoF/manager/performance director has stepped in and said we can get him in they gym and beef him up or train it out of him, then it's not really his fault.
It's like signing injury prone players, as a scout you would probably flag it and you might be able to give them some idea of what their injury record is to see if it's one problem they need to solve or if he's breaking down all over the place. But the decision to take the risk and try to fix his injury record should be a conversation between DoF and Physio/medical team, not the scouting team.
Having said that, god knows who was in the room when we signed Santos. |
I actually feel a bit sorry for Santos. It's quite obvious he's nowhere near good enough for the championship, but he's a young lad, thousands of miles from home in a totally foreign environment.
He just looks completely lost out on the pitch, so maybe a move back to sunnier climates would be the best for all concerned |  |
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| Andy Belk on 12:29 - Nov 22 with 2086 views | QPROslo |
| Andy Belk on 10:28 - Nov 22 by dmm |
I'm sure Marti said this summer's recruitment was a joint effort between him, Nourry and Belk. |
This. I also saw and heard Marti say he was mostly happy with the summer signings, just after the window closed. | | | |
| Andy Belk on 12:29 - Nov 22 with 2078 views | QPR_Jim |
| Andy Belk on 11:59 - Nov 22 by Hayesender |
I actually feel a bit sorry for Santos. It's quite obvious he's nowhere near good enough for the championship, but he's a young lad, thousands of miles from home in a totally foreign environment.
He just looks completely lost out on the pitch, so maybe a move back to sunnier climates would be the best for all concerned |
Yeah, not his fault at all. I did think when I first saw him that it was good that he was willing to pass forwards and take a risk with the ball, we always struggle to progress the ball forwards, so thought it might help out a bit. But it doesn't seem to be working out. He's definitely one that would have benefited from a slower introduction to the first team moving to a new country and taking up a new position is a big ask. | | | |
| Andy Belk on 12:32 - Nov 22 with 2063 views | derbyhoop |
I suspect that he is given a brief to recruit a RB, ACM or striker, whatever. Belk does the research ans submits a report. But the final decision will be a committee of CEO, DOF and Head Coach.
So, if you're looking to allocate blame, it falls on all of them. |  |
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| Andy Belk on 12:39 - Nov 22 with 2021 views | E15Hoop |
| Andy Belk on 12:32 - Nov 22 by derbyhoop |
I suspect that he is given a brief to recruit a RB, ACM or striker, whatever. Belk does the research ans submits a report. But the final decision will be a committee of CEO, DOF and Head Coach.
So, if you're looking to allocate blame, it falls on all of them. |
Exactly.
I reposted this in another thread last week, but it's relevant to this discussion as well: https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/christian-nourry-on-being-a-sports-minded-c | | | |
| Andy Belk on 12:51 - Nov 22 with 1945 views | QPR_Jim |
| Andy Belk on 12:29 - Nov 22 by QPROslo |
This. I also saw and heard Marti say he was mostly happy with the summer signings, just after the window closed. |
I'm sure he did, what do you expect him to say publicly? I assume that was through official channels as well because nobody else was allowed to interview him to dig any deeper into that.
We know typically managers are looking for instant success, that's why the DoF system works well with clubs that go through managers as quickly as we do. So while I'm sure they would have spoke to Marti, I think it's naïve to think he would be pushing for the club to be spending money on "projects" instead of players who could make an impact.
The summers transfers seem to be someone trying to be clever and find value everywhere by brining in potential that may come good down the line but without the balance of sufficient players coming into the first team ready to make an impact.
So, I suspect the final say on signings was with Nourry as a "football focused CEO". Ideally the guy setting the transfer and wage budgets would be detached from the transfer decisions. Combining the DoF and CEO role into one seems like a bad decision to me. | | | |
| Andy Belk on 13:01 - Nov 22 with 1903 views | QPR_Jim |
“If there is a specific hot button issue where there’s a level of disagreement on a certain player then I will spend more time looking at a player myself. But generally speaking, I’m not sitting there watching hundreds of games a day.” - Sounds a bit like if there's a disagreement he will make the final decision to me, otherwise why is he spending MORE time looking at the player?
What on earth qualifies him to have an opinion? Didn't we have a load of fans moaning that Les didn't have enough experience to be a DoF...now we've got this! | | | |
| Andy Belk on 13:11 - Nov 22 with 1849 views | kensalriser |
I don't know, I don't think this sort of individual victimisation is very helpful. Some of these people may well be less than competent at their jobs, but they're hardly heinous criminals. Before you know it some nutter will be threatening him and his family outside his home.
The failures at QPR are largely long standing and collective. Remember the cheering when a lot of people who'd been at the club a while left - Les, Chris Ramsey etc. And now? |  |
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| Andy Belk on 13:21 - Nov 22 with 1817 views | QPROslo |
| Andy Belk on 12:51 - Nov 22 by QPR_Jim |
I'm sure he did, what do you expect him to say publicly? I assume that was through official channels as well because nobody else was allowed to interview him to dig any deeper into that.
We know typically managers are looking for instant success, that's why the DoF system works well with clubs that go through managers as quickly as we do. So while I'm sure they would have spoke to Marti, I think it's naïve to think he would be pushing for the club to be spending money on "projects" instead of players who could make an impact.
The summers transfers seem to be someone trying to be clever and find value everywhere by brining in potential that may come good down the line but without the balance of sufficient players coming into the first team ready to make an impact.
So, I suspect the final say on signings was with Nourry as a "football focused CEO". Ideally the guy setting the transfer and wage budgets would be detached from the transfer decisions. Combining the DoF and CEO role into one seems like a bad decision to me. |
He didn't have to answer the question or he could have referenced our financial limitations, competing with Clubs able to offer hugely better deals etc, but he didn't. Or perhaps he was just lying as you suggest. I got the impression he was happy with the players brought in but only "mostly" because we had missed out on the LB we were supposedly after, possibly Hayden and that we hadn't brought in another striker. | | | |
| Andy Belk on 14:36 - Nov 22 with 1635 views | QPR_Jim |
| Andy Belk on 13:21 - Nov 22 by QPROslo |
He didn't have to answer the question or he could have referenced our financial limitations, competing with Clubs able to offer hugely better deals etc, but he didn't. Or perhaps he was just lying as you suggest. I got the impression he was happy with the players brought in but only "mostly" because we had missed out on the LB we were supposedly after, possibly Hayden and that we hadn't brought in another striker. |
I would say being diplomatic rather than lying.
We don't know how happy he was with the transfer window because the correct answer to the question posed is the same if you're happy, or if you're not and the players are being forced on you.
A large part of his job is man management, it would be very poor from him to pass on any doubts or criticisms he had about the transfer dealings on to the players or public. | | | |
| Andy Belk on 14:45 - Nov 22 with 1604 views | daveB |
| Andy Belk on 13:11 - Nov 22 by kensalriser |
I don't know, I don't think this sort of individual victimisation is very helpful. Some of these people may well be less than competent at their jobs, but they're hardly heinous criminals. Before you know it some nutter will be threatening him and his family outside his home.
The failures at QPR are largely long standing and collective. Remember the cheering when a lot of people who'd been at the club a while left - Les, Chris Ramsey etc. And now? |
Yeah i don't want to start a witch hunt on Belk, I'm sure hes doing his best but he's been in that role a long time and I'm not sure he deserves another window to get it right.
The most damning thing I can say about the recruitment side is on the forwards. Since we went down in 2015 we've signed tons of forwards and for a lot of money likes of Washington, Bonne, Dykes, Sylla, Celar etc
The best ones in that time have either been loans like Wells and Hugil, players coming back to the club for a 2nd spell like Austin or the most successful of the ones we spent money on was arguably Matt Smith and he was used as a sub for a lot of his time here.
Thats an appalling record
There is a strong case to say that all 3 of Belk, Ciffuentes and Nourry should be packing up their desks | | | |
| Andy Belk on 15:05 - Nov 22 with 1531 views | dmm |
| Andy Belk on 14:45 - Nov 22 by daveB |
Yeah i don't want to start a witch hunt on Belk, I'm sure hes doing his best but he's been in that role a long time and I'm not sure he deserves another window to get it right.
The most damning thing I can say about the recruitment side is on the forwards. Since we went down in 2015 we've signed tons of forwards and for a lot of money likes of Washington, Bonne, Dykes, Sylla, Celar etc
The best ones in that time have either been loans like Wells and Hugil, players coming back to the club for a 2nd spell like Austin or the most successful of the ones we spent money on was arguably Matt Smith and he was used as a sub for a lot of his time here.
Thats an appalling record
There is a strong case to say that all 3 of Belk, Ciffuentes and Nourry should be packing up their desks |
Dave, do you really want Cifuentes gone? | | | |
| Andy Belk on 15:16 - Nov 22 with 1473 views | daveB |
| Andy Belk on 15:05 - Nov 22 by dmm |
Dave, do you really want Cifuentes gone? |
not at all I'd keep him and I really hope he stays but we've won 1 game all season and it's December next week, we've sacked managers for a lot less. | | | |
| Andy Belk on 15:32 - Nov 22 with 1394 views | lassel |
| Andy Belk on 12:32 - Nov 22 by derbyhoop |
I suspect that he is given a brief to recruit a RB, ACM or striker, whatever. Belk does the research ans submits a report. But the final decision will be a committee of CEO, DOF and Head Coach.
So, if you're looking to allocate blame, it falls on all of them. |
Cifuentes says what he is looking for - full back who can contribute in the final third, CM who can break the lines etc etc.
‘Belk’ identifies the players and Nourry does the deals. As with every other club in the world, for each position there is a list and we don’t always end up with #1 on the list.
It’s important to point out that Belk is not doing the work all himself, he has a team of ‘performance analysts’ compiling the data to create a database on players and potential managers, but of course it’s his name at the top so the quality of that database falls on his head. The biggest criticism I’ve heard of the setup is that we work more on tape than getting eyes on the the players, something Gallen and Dave Mc commented on as well the other day. | | | |
| Andy Belk on 15:40 - Nov 22 with 1356 views | GaryHaddock |
| Andy Belk on 15:32 - Nov 22 by lassel |
Cifuentes says what he is looking for - full back who can contribute in the final third, CM who can break the lines etc etc.
‘Belk’ identifies the players and Nourry does the deals. As with every other club in the world, for each position there is a list and we don’t always end up with #1 on the list.
It’s important to point out that Belk is not doing the work all himself, he has a team of ‘performance analysts’ compiling the data to create a database on players and potential managers, but of course it’s his name at the top so the quality of that database falls on his head. The biggest criticism I’ve heard of the setup is that we work more on tape than getting eyes on the the players, something Gallen and Dave Mc commented on as well the other day. |
'The biggest criticism I’ve heard of the setup is that we work more on tape than getting eyes on the the players, something Gallen and Dave Mc commented on as well the other day'
Remember when some fans shit their pants because Ferdinand went to Colombia to scout some lads. | | | |
| Andy Belk on 15:53 - Nov 22 with 1295 views | MickB |
I have to agree with Mr Haddock. The analysis of what is needed will come from elsewhere and I notice that Marti was hired as head coach which implies less of a role in recruitment than a manager would expect to have.
For me, the buck stops with Jackanourry, There is a reason why substantial businesses are not run by folk his age but by people judged by their experience and record and not just a good presentation. |  | | |
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