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 Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict 30th Oct 2024 08:54Russell Martin did not stick to his pre match promise of playing his best available side and made 6 changes to his starting outfield 10, after a promising start, the game faded into a familiar pattern.  18
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| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 09:31 - Oct 30 with 3080 views | Butty101 |
Lesley Ugochukwu and Cornet are up their with our worst signings. Ugochukwu is just an athletic lump. There is no skill or understanding of the game. I would rather we bring Charles back to be frank.
Both on paper sounded good signings but they are not good enough.
Sugawara seems to be getting worse, he was at fault for the one of the goals when he shouldered a cross on. ( all though he atoned with the clearance off the line). But he seems to have a concentration/communication problem. In recent weeks i think ive now counted 4 mistakes from him that have led to goals. Imagine if this was capt Jack making these mistakes! |  |
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| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 10:01 - Oct 30 with 2993 views | GRIM |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 09:31 - Oct 30 by Butty101 |
Lesley Ugochukwu and Cornet are up their with our worst signings. Ugochukwu is just an athletic lump. There is no skill or understanding of the game. I would rather we bring Charles back to be frank.
Both on paper sounded good signings but they are not good enough.
Sugawara seems to be getting worse, he was at fault for the one of the goals when he shouldered a cross on. ( all though he atoned with the clearance off the line). But he seems to have a concentration/communication problem. In recent weeks i think ive now counted 4 mistakes from him that have led to goals. Imagine if this was capt Jack making these mistakes! |
RM has the audacity & stupidity to say he was delighted with his players & their attitudes.
The 2nd half was a complete shambles, even before the substitutions, after the substitutions it was shambolic.
No one knew where the were playing or what they were supposed to be doing.
Very embarrassing performance.
Even Ramsdale had a stinker.
How we got to qtr finals of this competition playing like this is beyond me. | | | |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 10:32 - Oct 30 with 2933 views | PatfromPoole |
It’s not the first time that Russell Martin has shown himself to be a lucky manager.
Again his substitutions were utterly bizarre.
Taking off our best penalty-taker a few minutes before a potential penalty shoot-out bordered on insanity.
God knows what position half of the team were playing in by the end of the game.
But then they do often say it is better to be lucky than good….. |  |
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| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 10:44 - Oct 30 with 2906 views | GRIM |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 10:32 - Oct 30 by PatfromPoole |
It’s not the first time that Russell Martin has shown himself to be a lucky manager.
Again his substitutions were utterly bizarre.
Taking off our best penalty-taker a few minutes before a potential penalty shoot-out bordered on insanity.
God knows what position half of the team were playing in by the end of the game.
But then they do often say it is better to be lucky than good….. |
RM said before the game that this was the most important game so far this season.
That is just crazy & a comment of a man that doesn't know what he's doing.
If he thinks that a Micky Mouse Cup competition is more important than surviving in the Premier Lge then he is showing a complete lack of commitment to the club.
We all without any exceptions would choose the Premier Lge over the Carabao Cup. | | | |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 10:55 - Oct 30 with 2887 views | PatfromPoole |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 10:44 - Oct 30 by GRIM |
RM said before the game that this was the most important game so far this season.
That is just crazy & a comment of a man that doesn't know what he's doing.
If he thinks that a Micky Mouse Cup competition is more important than surviving in the Premier Lge then he is showing a complete lack of commitment to the club.
We all without any exceptions would choose the Premier Lge over the Carabao Cup. |
It might have been the most important game for him.
May well have been curtains for him if we had lost. | |
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| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 11:08 - Oct 30 with 2864 views | saintwizzler |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 10:44 - Oct 30 by GRIM |
RM said before the game that this was the most important game so far this season.
That is just crazy & a comment of a man that doesn't know what he's doing.
If he thinks that a Micky Mouse Cup competition is more important than surviving in the Premier Lge then he is showing a complete lack of commitment to the club.
We all without any exceptions would choose the Premier Lge over the Carabao Cup. |
Apart from those who say The Championship is better than The Premier League. |  |
| We thought that we had the answers,
It was the questions we had wrong. |
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| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 12:15 - Oct 30 with 2713 views | GRIM |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 10:55 - Oct 30 by PatfromPoole |
It might have been the most important game for him.
May well have been curtains for him if we had lost. |
That sums him up.
It should be about the club not him. | | | |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 12:20 - Oct 30 with 2695 views | DorsetIan |
I was sitting in the Chapel looking straight down a line between the two penalty spots and the left-right-left-right-left-right was unbelievable.
None of the wingers making an effort to take on their defenders, absolutely no off the ball movement and no attempts at clever through balls.
In short absolutely zero attacking threat.
That changed a little when Tall Paull and Diaz came on, but only because they were fresh I think.
And I've got little time for Sullemana but at least his jockeying of the defenders and his feint that he might actually try to take them on, opened up the change of the ball to Bree.
I remember being in the same stand watching a late season Puel game against, I think, Man U - just the same sense of watching paint dry. | |
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| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 12:22 - Oct 30 with 2687 views | sledger |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 09:31 - Oct 30 by Butty101 |
Lesley Ugochukwu and Cornet are up their with our worst signings. Ugochukwu is just an athletic lump. There is no skill or understanding of the game. I would rather we bring Charles back to be frank.
Both on paper sounded good signings but they are not good enough.
Sugawara seems to be getting worse, he was at fault for the one of the goals when he shouldered a cross on. ( all though he atoned with the clearance off the line). But he seems to have a concentration/communication problem. In recent weeks i think ive now counted 4 mistakes from him that have led to goals. Imagine if this was capt Jack making these mistakes! |
youre right about the loanees they are as bad as it gets,ugochukwu is so imobile weeds could grow under him and cornet looks like a trialist and not one thats gonna get an offer.
Janny b starting to look poor,gave the ball away for their second and was pathetically weak on saturday for haalands goal. | | | |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 12:42 - Oct 30 with 2640 views | A1079 |
Make no bones about it, the 2nd half display last night was shocking. It wasn't that fantastic in the first half but at least we had the 2 goals. I don't regard any side as easy no matter what league they are in. If you have the wrong attitude and aptitude then you will get stung.
We got away with it because of the late goal but everything about our game was shocking at times and in some respects the 2nd half of last night showed up all that is wrong with our team this season and it runs through the veins and every sinew of our team structure.
RM says it was difficult because we played players that had not played together for a while or not at all - well it was his bl**dy choice to play them! He then went on his predictable words around being proud etc. The thing is, it doesn't matter who we play because against Leicester, Ipswich, Forest, Brentford, Stoke - it is the same issues - we can't kill a game off, we don't take advantage when we are rarely on top, we collapse and concede all too easily when we do let a goal in, we are powder puff in attack, we have a soft underbelly through the team. I did rate Sugawara when he came - he seemed to have attacking intent and could read the game - now he is making the same mistakes as most of the others. Why, because there is the lack of confidence in the team that runs through at every level whether they are regulars or not. I suppose what kicks this scenario slightly in touch is the better than expected performances against Arsenal and Man City - but why were they better? Is it perception - they were better because we expected to get thrashed and didn't? or do players raise their game against better sides and if so, why?
Last night was an opportunity, especially with a 2 goal lead to show real attacking intent and yet all too often it was our usual slow ponderous sideways back football that again almost cost us in a game we should have sewn up early on in the 2nd half.
As regards Everton on Saturday - Everton are poor, they really are, but it doesn't matter, I have zero confidence that we will beat them no matter who we play and I suspect the players are of the same view.
I was not an RM out person even though I was not totally sold on his tactics. I hoped the ends would justify the means. I really wanted him to succeed because then we would succeed and success for me this year was to show competitiveness and have a chance of staying up (even if we didn't) and play good football. I wanted a British manager to do well. If I could see real progress and a real change for the good in what we are doing I could live with the occasional expected disappointment but so far this year I am not seeing improvement anywhere in the individuals, in the team or on the pitch as a whole. | | | |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 12:53 - Oct 30 with 2607 views | GRIM |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 12:42 - Oct 30 by A1079 |
Make no bones about it, the 2nd half display last night was shocking. It wasn't that fantastic in the first half but at least we had the 2 goals. I don't regard any side as easy no matter what league they are in. If you have the wrong attitude and aptitude then you will get stung.
We got away with it because of the late goal but everything about our game was shocking at times and in some respects the 2nd half of last night showed up all that is wrong with our team this season and it runs through the veins and every sinew of our team structure.
RM says it was difficult because we played players that had not played together for a while or not at all - well it was his bl**dy choice to play them! He then went on his predictable words around being proud etc. The thing is, it doesn't matter who we play because against Leicester, Ipswich, Forest, Brentford, Stoke - it is the same issues - we can't kill a game off, we don't take advantage when we are rarely on top, we collapse and concede all too easily when we do let a goal in, we are powder puff in attack, we have a soft underbelly through the team. I did rate Sugawara when he came - he seemed to have attacking intent and could read the game - now he is making the same mistakes as most of the others. Why, because there is the lack of confidence in the team that runs through at every level whether they are regulars or not. I suppose what kicks this scenario slightly in touch is the better than expected performances against Arsenal and Man City - but why were they better? Is it perception - they were better because we expected to get thrashed and didn't? or do players raise their game against better sides and if so, why?
Last night was an opportunity, especially with a 2 goal lead to show real attacking intent and yet all too often it was our usual slow ponderous sideways back football that again almost cost us in a game we should have sewn up early on in the 2nd half.
As regards Everton on Saturday - Everton are poor, they really are, but it doesn't matter, I have zero confidence that we will beat them no matter who we play and I suspect the players are of the same view.
I was not an RM out person even though I was not totally sold on his tactics. I hoped the ends would justify the means. I really wanted him to succeed because then we would succeed and success for me this year was to show competitiveness and have a chance of staying up (even if we didn't) and play good football. I wanted a British manager to do well. If I could see real progress and a real change for the good in what we are doing I could live with the occasional expected disappointment but so far this year I am not seeing improvement anywhere in the individuals, in the team or on the pitch as a whole. |
Without Che Adams & Stuey Armstrong we are actually weaker than we were last season in the Championship.
WHY - because the players we brought in are worse than those we lost. | | | |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 12:54 - Oct 30 with 2601 views | Butty101 |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 10:44 - Oct 30 by GRIM |
RM said before the game that this was the most important game so far this season.
That is just crazy & a comment of a man that doesn't know what he's doing.
If he thinks that a Micky Mouse Cup competition is more important than surviving in the Premier Lge then he is showing a complete lack of commitment to the club.
We all without any exceptions would choose the Premier Lge over the Carabao Cup. |
Give me a cup win and relegation any day | |
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| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 13:07 - Oct 30 with 2581 views | yateleysaint |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 12:54 - Oct 30 by Butty101 |
Give me a cup win and relegation any day |
Me too. |  |
| You cannot reason a person out of something they were not reasoned into. |
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| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 14:10 - Oct 30 with 2401 views | GRIM |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 12:54 - Oct 30 by Butty101 |
Give me a cup win and relegation any day |
Are you Russell Martin ??. | | | |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 14:22 - Oct 30 with 2373 views | sledger |
people are deluded if they think this rabble could win a cup,cant beat our rivals at the bottom of the league. | | | |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 14:59 - Oct 30 with 2337 views | saintwizzler |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 14:10 - Oct 30 by GRIM |
Are you Russell Martin ??. |
No that’s me | |
| We thought that we had the answers,
It was the questions we had wrong. |
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| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 16:17 - Oct 30 with 2225 views | TripleNiemi |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 14:59 - Oct 30 by saintwizzler |
No that’s me |
You on here taking a quick breather from our Lucy? |  |
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| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 17:41 - Oct 30 with 2132 views | SonicBoom |
RM just can't coach a team to play attacking football . He's terrified of taking any risks so we are stuck with this turgid passing for passings sake style.
Apparently we pass it around the back, in order to create space and opportunities further forward, but the evidence is crystal clear. It does not work. |  | | |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 18:01 - Oct 30 with 2108 views | grumpy |
We virtually threw the kitchen sink at Stoke to get a win.
Stoke a struggling Championship side nearly beat us when we were 2-0 up.
If we don't change now it will be too late. |  | | |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 19:20 - Oct 30 with 1996 views | Butty101 |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 14:10 - Oct 30 by GRIM |
Are you Russell Martin ??. |
What a dickish thing to say.
Answer me this which saints team is remembered and celebrated. The division 2 side that won the facup , or Ralph’s teams that managed to avoid relegation ? Do you think in 40’years time a team with Dnepo in it will do a lap of honour for staying up | |
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| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 09:16 - Oct 31 with 1737 views | GRIM |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 19:20 - Oct 30 by Butty101 |
What a dickish thing to say.
Answer me this which saints team is remembered and celebrated. The division 2 side that won the facup , or Ralph’s teams that managed to avoid relegation ? Do you think in 40’years time a team with Dnepo in it will do a lap of honour for staying up |
If wanting to stay in the Premier Lge is
" Dickish", then I am !.
I don't just want to stay in the lge I want us to be an established Premier lge team.
But it's looking pretty unlikely at the moment, but we live in hope. | | | |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 17:28 - Oct 31 with 1591 views | Butty101 |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 09:16 - Oct 31 by GRIM |
If wanting to stay in the Premier Lge is
" Dickish", then I am !.
I don't just want to stay in the lge I want us to be an established Premier lge team.
But it's looking pretty unlikely at the moment, but we live in hope. |
Coming 16th every year in the premiership is pointless. I would much rather win a cup and get relegated and I would guess that’s how the majority feel | |
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| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 17:33 - Oct 31 with 1584 views | grumpy |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 17:28 - Oct 31 by Butty101 |
Coming 16th every year in the premiership is pointless. I would much rather win a cup and get relegated and I would guess that’s how the majority feel |
Can’t see us winning any cup,nearly lost to Stoke. | | | |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 17:49 - Oct 31 with 1564 views | Ifonly |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 17:28 - Oct 31 by Butty101 |
Coming 16th every year in the premiership is pointless. I would much rather win a cup and get relegated and I would guess that’s how the majority feel |
If they do then they're not being realistic. We will not win any cup this year and our only chance of winning one in future rests on being a PL club. For a championship club to win one now would require a major fluke. | | | |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 22:19 - Oct 31 with 1452 views | saint22 |
| Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict on 14:10 - Oct 30 by GRIM |
Are you Russell Martin ??. |
He should be so lucky
Me thinks he’ll only get one of those! | | | |
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