| The Crown Estates 18:10 - Oct 3 with 2461 views | johnlangy |
I've read many times about the fact that the crown estates 'own' (?) the seabed around the UK.
I never understood how that worked until now. I've read today that Gwynedd Council has to pay the crown estates £161,000 a year in order for it's residents to have access to their beaches and other seafront facilities.
And if Gwynedd has to pay then so do all other Welsh councils including ours. So we have to pay the spongers so we can walk on OUR own beaches.
It's like living in medieval Britain, it really is.
It is part of a corrupt system that should be binned now along with the royals. |  | | |  |
| The Crown Estates on 18:14 - Oct 3 with 1973 views | KeithHaynes |
There’s always a price for what we perceive as freedom. |  |
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| The Crown Estates on 19:04 - Oct 3 with 1917 views | majorraglan |
I’d heard of the Crown Estate but didn’t know much about it until I read up on it earlier today. It appears monies paid to the Crown Estate are dived between the Monarchy and the Treasury, the former get 25% while the latter get 75%. What a rip off, Gwynedd (and I suspect all the other authorities with coastlines are paying similar amounts) are paying our own government the lions share of the money so we can access what’s ours. 🤬 | | | |
| The Crown Estates on 19:04 - Oct 3 with 1917 views | onehunglow |
This is where we agree
There is nothing that makes me puke when I see “working class”folk extolling the virtues of these leeches who are utterly irrelevant to all lives apart from those in the business of fawning all over them
The fact they own most of our land is our biggest shame as a country
They bring money in ?
Just ………. The whole concept of entitlement and privilege is just immoral.
What is worse is oiks like Beckam crawling over them just to be called “ Sir”
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| The Crown Estates on 20:13 - Oct 3 with 1897 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Crown Estates on 19:04 - Oct 3 by majorraglan |
I’d heard of the Crown Estate but didn’t know much about it until I read up on it earlier today. It appears monies paid to the Crown Estate are dived between the Monarchy and the Treasury, the former get 25% while the latter get 75%. What a rip off, Gwynedd (and I suspect all the other authorities with coastlines are paying similar amounts) are paying our own government the lions share of the money so we can access what’s ours. 🤬 |
So basically 75% of all "Crown Estate" income ends up with the Treasury where it is spent on stuff like the NHS and Defence. That's ignoring the reality that nothing like 25% actually ends up in the Monarchy's hands.
I'm a Republican. I think it's absurd in the 21st Century that anyone can be deemed "better" by accident of birth, but the lack of understanding of what this money is and where it goes is crazy. |  |
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| The Crown Estates on 22:17 - Oct 3 with 1838 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Crown Estates on 20:13 - Oct 3 by Dr_Winston |
So basically 75% of all "Crown Estate" income ends up with the Treasury where it is spent on stuff like the NHS and Defence. That's ignoring the reality that nothing like 25% actually ends up in the Monarchy's hands.
I'm a Republican. I think it's absurd in the 21st Century that anyone can be deemed "better" by accident of birth, but the lack of understanding of what this money is and where it goes is crazy. |
Why pay them anything at all ?
Shirley taking the pish. …? 🇬🇧 |  |
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| The Crown Estates on 22:32 - Oct 3 with 1831 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Crown Estates on 22:17 - Oct 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Why pay them anything at all ?
Shirley taking the pish. …? 🇬🇧 |
Thanks for providing a perfect example of how moronic most people who post forth on subjects like this are. | |
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| The Crown Estates on 22:40 - Oct 3 with 1818 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Crown Estates on 22:32 - Oct 3 by Dr_Winston |
Thanks for providing a perfect example of how moronic most people who post forth on subjects like this are. |
Posters do not have to agree with you tbh.
Working welsh people paying monies to an English royal is certainly worth of comment.
Most people would rather spend their money on transport, defence, education and healthcare.
No role for any Royal in that process. | |
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| The Crown Estates on 22:49 - Oct 3 with 1812 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Crown Estates on 22:40 - Oct 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Posters do not have to agree with you tbh.
Working welsh people paying monies to an English royal is certainly worth of comment.
Most people would rather spend their money on transport, defence, education and healthcare.
No role for any Royal in that process. |
No they don't. However, most who don't are complete halfwits.
I mean, you've neatly illustrated that by demanding that Crown Estate income go towards transport, defence, education and healthcare when it's already been demonstrated that at least 75%, in reality more than 90% of it already does.
Communicating with Welsh Nationalists is like dog training. You hope that 15-20% of it sinks in, but you can't really have any expectation. | |
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| The Crown Estates on 09:03 - Oct 4 with 1761 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Crown Estates on 22:49 - Oct 3 by Dr_Winston |
No they don't. However, most who don't are complete halfwits.
I mean, you've neatly illustrated that by demanding that Crown Estate income go towards transport, defence, education and healthcare when it's already been demonstrated that at least 75%, in reality more than 90% of it already does.
Communicating with Welsh Nationalists is like dog training. You hope that 15-20% of it sinks in, but you can't really have any expectation. |
I think you are missing the point that there is no role for Royals in the process of taxation in a modern democratic nation.
Not sure you are up to the job as a dog trainer. | |
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| The Crown Estates on 10:29 - Oct 4 with 1690 views | KeithHaynes |
| The Crown Estates on 19:04 - Oct 3 by onehunglow |
This is where we agree
There is nothing that makes me puke when I see “working class”folk extolling the virtues of these leeches who are utterly irrelevant to all lives apart from those in the business of fawning all over them
The fact they own most of our land is our biggest shame as a country
They bring money in ?
Just ………. The whole concept of entitlement and privilege is just immoral.
What is worse is oiks like Beckam crawling over them just to be called “ Sir”
It’s 2024 |
That’s not David Beckham, that’s a walking wax museum puppet based on the facial features of captain scarlet. | |
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| The Crown Estates on 10:31 - Oct 4 with 1690 views | onehunglow |
| The Crown Estates on 09:03 - Oct 4 by Kilkennyjack |
I think you are missing the point that there is no role for Royals in the process of taxation in a modern democratic nation.
Not sure you are up to the job as a dog trainer. |
The Monarchy underpins our constitution .
A republic also has a constitution .
A monarchy does not need four palaces to function or serve the country
They are simply leeches brought up to entitled and are detached from the world ,no matter what sone might think .
Andrew is the finest example of why it is morally wrong to continue this
Forget the money,the riches,the estates,this is simply immoral.
As for dog training,90% of puppy training is retained . It is down to the owners to reinforce and continue the training . | |
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| The Crown Estates on 11:28 - Oct 4 with 1665 views | Scotia |
I'm pretty certain the Crown Estate own - or at least have owned in the past the land that Morfa retail park / Swansea.com are on. | | | |
| The Crown Estates on 17:49 - Oct 4 with 1601 views | johnlangy |
| The Crown Estates on 11:28 - Oct 4 by Scotia |
I'm pretty certain the Crown Estate own - or at least have owned in the past the land that Morfa retail park / Swansea.com are on. |
I don't know if you're confusing this with the fact that the Duke of Beaufort 'owns' the Tawe river bed and our council had to pay him £320,000 just for permission to build the new bridge over it when the stadium was being built.
Another example of the absolutely corrupt way the UK is being run. | | | |
| The Crown Estates on 19:04 - Oct 4 with 1566 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Crown Estates on 22:40 - Oct 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Posters do not have to agree with you tbh.
Working welsh people paying monies to an English royal is certainly worth of comment.
Most people would rather spend their money on transport, defence, education and healthcare.
No role for any Royal in that process. |
I completely agree with you. Although I would also say there is no role for an extra 36 politicians in Wales when we already have too many and are apparently short of money.
The Royal family, Royalty as a whole is an absurd idea in the 21st Century, they should be retired, become private citizens and the Crown Estates run with 100% of the profit going to the treasury. Then open the palaces to the public and run them as living museums. | | | |
| The Crown Estates on 19:13 - Oct 4 with 1557 views | Scotia |
| The Crown Estates on 17:49 - Oct 4 by johnlangy |
I don't know if you're confusing this with the fact that the Duke of Beaufort 'owns' the Tawe river bed and our council had to pay him £320,000 just for permission to build the new bridge over it when the stadium was being built.
Another example of the absolutely corrupt way the UK is being run. |
No it is or was definitely the Crown Estate.
I haven't necessarily got a problem with them owning land and the money used for developing it, paid by developers going to the treasury / royal family.
Access to the beach by the public is a different story. That's taking the urine. | | | |
| The Crown Estates on 19:55 - Oct 4 with 1527 views | onehunglow |
| The Crown Estates on 19:13 - Oct 4 by Scotia |
No it is or was definitely the Crown Estate.
I haven't necessarily got a problem with them owning land and the money used for developing it, paid by developers going to the treasury / royal family.
Access to the beach by the public is a different story. That's taking the urine. |
I have
These cretins either stole it or were gifted the land and they’ve made it untouchable | |
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| The Crown Estates on 21:48 - Oct 4 with 1482 views | raynor94 |
| The Crown Estates on 22:49 - Oct 3 by Dr_Winston |
No they don't. However, most who don't are complete halfwits.
I mean, you've neatly illustrated that by demanding that Crown Estate income go towards transport, defence, education and healthcare when it's already been demonstrated that at least 75%, in reality more than 90% of it already does.
Communicating with Welsh Nationalists is like dog training. You hope that 15-20% of it sinks in, but you can't really have any expectation. |
Ooof, what a post 👏 |  |
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| The Crown Estates on 21:54 - Oct 4 with 1477 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Crown Estates on 19:13 - Oct 4 by Scotia |
No it is or was definitely the Crown Estate.
I haven't necessarily got a problem with them owning land and the money used for developing it, paid by developers going to the treasury / royal family.
Access to the beach by the public is a different story. That's taking the urine. |
I have a problem with people who took vaste swathes of land by dint of birth and make fortunes off it at the expense of the vast majority.
The paid by developors thing, where do developers get their money from? It doesn't just appear by magic and they develop things to make a profit so that 360k for the riverbed was factored into the invoice. Who paid the invoice? | | | |
| The Crown Estates on 07:54 - Oct 5 with 1371 views | Scotia |
| The Crown Estates on 21:54 - Oct 4 by SullutaCreturned |
I have a problem with people who took vaste swathes of land by dint of birth and make fortunes off it at the expense of the vast majority.
The paid by developors thing, where do developers get their money from? It doesn't just appear by magic and they develop things to make a profit so that 360k for the riverbed was factored into the invoice. Who paid the invoice? |
Most crown estate land is bought as an investment rather than a birthright. If they didn't buy it someone else would.
At least crown estate land see's a return to the public purse rather than profits disappearing to an offshore tax haven.
It's not perfect, but there are far worse landlords around. | | | |
| The Crown Estates on 12:02 - Oct 5 with 1235 views | johnlangy |
| The Crown Estates on 22:49 - Oct 3 by Dr_Winston |
No they don't. However, most who don't are complete halfwits.
I mean, you've neatly illustrated that by demanding that Crown Estate income go towards transport, defence, education and healthcare when it's already been demonstrated that at least 75%, in reality more than 90% of it already does.
Communicating with Welsh Nationalists is like dog training. You hope that 15-20% of it sinks in, but you can't really have any expectation. |
You make some fair points Dr W. Your second para suggests that you know a lot more than,it seems, other posters on this thread. Certainly me anyway.
Earlier you said 'I'm a Republican. I think it's absurd in the 21st Century that anyone can be deemed "better" by accident of birth, but the lack of understanding of what this money is and where it goes is crazy.'
So why don't you educate us ? And I mean that in an honest way. I'd like to know.
And you let yourself down with your first and last paras. If people don't agree with you or don't understand something why don't you explain/persuade rather than insult ? | | | |
| The Crown Estates on 16:45 - Oct 5 with 1123 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Crown Estates on 17:49 - Oct 4 by johnlangy |
I don't know if you're confusing this with the fact that the Duke of Beaufort 'owns' the Tawe river bed and our council had to pay him £320,000 just for permission to build the new bridge over it when the stadium was being built.
Another example of the absolutely corrupt way the UK is being run. |
Well said John.
Its nonsense on stilts …. | |
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| The Crown Estates on 17:46 - Oct 5 with 1097 views | onehunglow |
| The Crown Estates on 12:02 - Oct 5 by johnlangy |
You make some fair points Dr W. Your second para suggests that you know a lot more than,it seems, other posters on this thread. Certainly me anyway.
Earlier you said 'I'm a Republican. I think it's absurd in the 21st Century that anyone can be deemed "better" by accident of birth, but the lack of understanding of what this money is and where it goes is crazy.'
So why don't you educate us ? And I mean that in an honest way. I'd like to know.
And you let yourself down with your first and last paras. If people don't agree with you or don't understand something why don't you explain/persuade rather than insult ? |
It’s all about tolerating the opinions of others ,really. | |
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| The Crown Estates on 18:00 - Oct 5 with 1071 views | johnlangy |
| The Crown Estates on 17:46 - Oct 5 by onehunglow |
It’s all about tolerating the opinions of others ,really. |
Correct. | | | |
| The Crown Estates on 20:37 - Oct 5 with 1007 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Crown Estates on 17:46 - Oct 5 by onehunglow |
It’s all about tolerating the opinions of others ,really. |
OHL on the money as usual …. | |
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| The Crown Estates on 21:04 - Oct 5 with 994 views | onehunglow |
| The Crown Estates on 20:37 - Oct 5 by Kilkennyjack |
OHL on the money as usual …. |
Humility is the hardest trait to secure | |
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