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 Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict 16th Sep 2024 09:13Russell Martin rung the changes, but of course there was one he didn't make and that ultimately cost us dearly, as a team that started brightly, faded badly without leadership or organisation.  24
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| Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict on 09:56 - Sep 16 with 1061 views | saintwizzler |
It will be interesting to see who is captain on Saturday.
I would have Downes or Taylor.
Yes I know we have a game tomorrow but it’ll be two reserve teams.
Dibling needs to be played centrally wether that is a number 10 or as Centre Forward.
KWP is wasted on the Left. So one footed and the opponents know this.
Cornet seems to be another speed merchant with no end product. When he was up against Evans who was at Left Back he did nothing.
Ramsdale saved us from a hammering but he did nothing more than a PL level keeper is expected to do. Which Bazunu, Lumley and McCarthy are not.
Saturday
4-2-3-1
Ramsdale
Taylor LB
THB
Bednarek
Sugawara RB
Downes
Big Les
BBD LM
Dibling
KWP RM
Stewart |  |
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| Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict on 10:22 - Sep 16 with 998 views | Ifonly |
There are several things wrong with this report
1) Diaz has taken 9 penalties in club football and scored them all. He has also scored one and missed one for England age groups. The one he missed was 6 years ago.
2) It was Russell Martin's decision on the penalty taker, as he himself explained after the match. It was a stupid decision and he has accepted that it was a mistake.
3) You say that "it was unclear just who should have been calling the line" for the first goal. It's not a question of calling the line. It is a question of following the line. In this situation, the ball was on our right and JS was in the left back position. He should have been taking his line from the player to his right. This is just basic defending. It was a terrible error by JS but nothing to do with leadership or organising on the pitch. This was about basic training drills not being carried out on the pitch by 1 player. Sometimes you see forwards making this error when they are back defending, but for a central defender to do it is disgusting. A criminal error of basic defensive discipline. | | | |
| Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict on 11:13 - Sep 16 with 909 views | saint22 |
| Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict on 10:22 - Sep 16 by Ifonly |
There are several things wrong with this report
1) Diaz has taken 9 penalties in club football and scored them all. He has also scored one and missed one for England age groups. The one he missed was 6 years ago.
2) It was Russell Martin's decision on the penalty taker, as he himself explained after the match. It was a stupid decision and he has accepted that it was a mistake.
3) You say that "it was unclear just who should have been calling the line" for the first goal. It's not a question of calling the line. It is a question of following the line. In this situation, the ball was on our right and JS was in the left back position. He should have been taking his line from the player to his right. This is just basic defending. It was a terrible error by JS but nothing to do with leadership or organising on the pitch. This was about basic training drills not being carried out on the pitch by 1 player. Sometimes you see forwards making this error when they are back defending, but for a central defender to do it is disgusting. A criminal error of basic defensive discipline. |
I don’t know how many times it has to be said by how many people but Stephen’s is not good enough, period. Last season we went on an unbeaten run, back came Jack and all went downhill
For some reason our manager can’t see how poor he is
After this weekends shambolic showing and the red card that surely will be it | | | |
| Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict on 11:21 - Sep 16 with 897 views | kingolaf |
Get rid of Martin now. All his teams leak goals for fun.
He won’t last the season anyway, so might as well give a new manager more time to try and salvage our season. | | | |
| Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict on 11:23 - Sep 16 with 895 views | GRIM |
| Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict on 10:22 - Sep 16 by Ifonly |
There are several things wrong with this report
1) Diaz has taken 9 penalties in club football and scored them all. He has also scored one and missed one for England age groups. The one he missed was 6 years ago.
2) It was Russell Martin's decision on the penalty taker, as he himself explained after the match. It was a stupid decision and he has accepted that it was a mistake.
3) You say that "it was unclear just who should have been calling the line" for the first goal. It's not a question of calling the line. It is a question of following the line. In this situation, the ball was on our right and JS was in the left back position. He should have been taking his line from the player to his right. This is just basic defending. It was a terrible error by JS but nothing to do with leadership or organising on the pitch. This was about basic training drills not being carried out on the pitch by 1 player. Sometimes you see forwards making this error when they are back defending, but for a central defender to do it is disgusting. A criminal error of basic defensive discipline. |
Slack Jack does it every game.
He plays statues & ends up marking space.
Space doesn't score goals, players do.
Jack has never improved in all the years he's been here.
How he's ended up Captain I'll never know, he is not a leader & should not be anywhere near the first team. (On the bench possibly because you don't have to mark anyone when you sat on the bench so he'd be good at that). | | | |
| Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict on 12:05 - Sep 16 with 832 views | SaintNick |
| Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict on 10:22 - Sep 16 by Ifonly |
There are several things wrong with this report
1) Diaz has taken 9 penalties in club football and scored them all. He has also scored one and missed one for England age groups. The one he missed was 6 years ago.
2) It was Russell Martin's decision on the penalty taker, as he himself explained after the match. It was a stupid decision and he has accepted that it was a mistake.
3) You say that "it was unclear just who should have been calling the line" for the first goal. It's not a question of calling the line. It is a question of following the line. In this situation, the ball was on our right and JS was in the left back position. He should have been taking his line from the player to his right. This is just basic defending. It was a terrible error by JS but nothing to do with leadership or organising on the pitch. This was about basic training drills not being carried out on the pitch by 1 player. Sometimes you see forwards making this error when they are back defending, but for a central defender to do it is disgusting. A criminal error of basic defensive discipline. |
1 I have seen varying numbers for Diaz's penalty taking, some reports say 7 others say 9, but in the grand scheme of things they arent far off so doesn't really affect much.
2. Martin may have selected Archer, but he may well have been taking the heat off Archer by saying it was his choice, that is not uncommon with managers, we will probably never know who was really first choice taker.
3. If you are pushing out to play offside you have to have someone who calls the line, you can't just have individual players deciding to step up and hope that everyone goes with them.
As Captain and in the centre of defence that surely had to be Jack in this case, yet he stayed put and all the rest went, you are right he should have seen that everyone else had stepped up and he should have gone with them, but he clearly wasn't expecting this to happen, so it is unclear who took the decision to push out, yes you are right it is a criminal error of defending discipline, but if anything it highlights that he is not leading the side |  |
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| Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict on 12:54 - Sep 16 with 753 views | DorsetIan |
| Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict on 12:05 - Sep 16 by SaintNick |
1 I have seen varying numbers for Diaz's penalty taking, some reports say 7 others say 9, but in the grand scheme of things they arent far off so doesn't really affect much.
2. Martin may have selected Archer, but he may well have been taking the heat off Archer by saying it was his choice, that is not uncommon with managers, we will probably never know who was really first choice taker.
3. If you are pushing out to play offside you have to have someone who calls the line, you can't just have individual players deciding to step up and hope that everyone goes with them.
As Captain and in the centre of defence that surely had to be Jack in this case, yet he stayed put and all the rest went, you are right he should have seen that everyone else had stepped up and he should have gone with them, but he clearly wasn't expecting this to happen, so it is unclear who took the decision to push out, yes you are right it is a criminal error of defending discipline, but if anything it highlights that he is not leading the side |
I've just watched the first goal back a few times.
Weirdly both Diaz and Stephens are signalling to push out the defensive line (both have both arms extended pointing forward) and the defensive line including Stephens do then push out.
But Stephens is then distracted by the Utd players pushing forward, he stops, the defensive line moves past him and he's suddenly playing Utd on. | |
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| Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict on 13:02 - Sep 16 with 731 views | Ifonly |
| Southampton V Manchester United The Verdict on 12:05 - Sep 16 by SaintNick |
1 I have seen varying numbers for Diaz's penalty taking, some reports say 7 others say 9, but in the grand scheme of things they arent far off so doesn't really affect much.
2. Martin may have selected Archer, but he may well have been taking the heat off Archer by saying it was his choice, that is not uncommon with managers, we will probably never know who was really first choice taker.
3. If you are pushing out to play offside you have to have someone who calls the line, you can't just have individual players deciding to step up and hope that everyone goes with them.
As Captain and in the centre of defence that surely had to be Jack in this case, yet he stayed put and all the rest went, you are right he should have seen that everyone else had stepped up and he should have gone with them, but he clearly wasn't expecting this to happen, so it is unclear who took the decision to push out, yes you are right it is a criminal error of defending discipline, but if anything it highlights that he is not leading the side |
"3. If you are pushing out to play offside you have to have someone who calls the line, you can't just have individual players deciding to step up and hope that everyone goes with them."
I'm sorry Nick but that's just wrong. You're a well informed man but in this case you're not understanding how a modern team would defend.
This is just a basic set piece drill. I guarantee you that SFC do it because everyone does it. You can also see by the behaviour of the other players that they have done this many, many times before. From a corner, the ball is played back deep and that is the automatic prompt for the entire defence to step out. They don't wait for anyone to say anything. There probably is a shout but it's not necessary. They just follow the drill.
The position of the line is then taken from the first player who is holding the line (others may have gone out further to press the the ball). The second player in the line then gets level with the first player (who is sometimes called the "lead"), the third from the second and so on. You take your position based on the player next to you (not because someone is explaining to you where to stand) and by doing that you end up in a line automatically.
If you look at this goal as an example. Diaz is the "lead" or whatever Saints coaches call it. Look at a replay and you can see him signal with his hands that he will be the lead as they are pushing out. The signal isn't necessary but it shows what he is thinking about as he pushes up. The line then forms from him and it works well, they are all in a line with one exception - JS.
The idea that "you have to have someone who calls the line" and that this might be the player on the back post is a bit ridiculous really (sorry no offence). It needs to be far more automatic than that because it needs to happen quickly and without thought. There are also issues like the noise in the stadium to consider but above all, the line can only come from the "lead" position because otherwise players would have to turn round to see where other players were. If JS had been "calling the line" that wouldn't work because the other players can't see him and maybe can't hear him. The other defenders have to be able to see the cross coming in and where the line is without turning round to look.
I believe you have connections in the game, so ask them. Anyone in the modern era will have taken part in training drills like this. | | | |
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