| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday 10:05 - Sep 27 with 1321 views | SaintsNews |
 Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday 27th Sep 2023 10:03No one can be happy with four defeats in a row, but this is football and the rot has to stop somewhere and for Russell Martin is is extremely important that it stops at home to Leeds United on Saturday.  17
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| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 12:47 - Sep 27 with 1175 views | grumpy |
'the last two games have seen progress in both of them'
What progress was that? |  | | |
| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 12:55 - Sep 27 with 1168 views | SaintNick |
| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 12:47 - Sep 27 by grumpy |
'the last two games have seen progress in both of them'
What progress was that? |
You can do two things in football, you can either see things as black & white in which case either everything is either absolute sh*te or its absolutely brilliant.
Or you can look at things with some sort of perspective.
Our last two games have seen narrow defeats by one goal so that is progress from getting beaten 5-0 & 4-1.
In both games we didnt get caught by basically just a hoof up the field, the game against Boro was an improvement on the Ipswich game so that was progress.
We now need to progress a little further by not getting caught on the ball just outside our own penalty area, if we do that then we stop conceding goals and start scoring them. |  |
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| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 13:02 - Sep 27 with 1156 views | DorsetIan |
| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 12:55 - Sep 27 by SaintNick |
You can do two things in football, you can either see things as black & white in which case either everything is either absolute sh*te or its absolutely brilliant.
Or you can look at things with some sort of perspective.
Our last two games have seen narrow defeats by one goal so that is progress from getting beaten 5-0 & 4-1.
In both games we didnt get caught by basically just a hoof up the field, the game against Boro was an improvement on the Ipswich game so that was progress.
We now need to progress a little further by not getting caught on the ball just outside our own penalty area, if we do that then we stop conceding goals and start scoring them. |
On the back of two heavy defeats, we then lose to a promoted team and a team that had done nothing all season.
You're clutching at straws to find any sort of 'progress' in that. | |
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| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 13:16 - Sep 27 with 1138 views | A1079 |
When week on week you are sliding down the table rather than rising it, then no matter how you dress it up, that is not progress. It is results and league positions that ultimately count and determines whether you are making progress or not and what measures as success or not. | | | |
| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 15:47 - Sep 27 with 1042 views | Ron11 |
| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 12:55 - Sep 27 by SaintNick |
You can do two things in football, you can either see things as black & white in which case either everything is either absolute sh*te or its absolutely brilliant.
Or you can look at things with some sort of perspective.
Our last two games have seen narrow defeats by one goal so that is progress from getting beaten 5-0 & 4-1.
In both games we didnt get caught by basically just a hoof up the field, the game against Boro was an improvement on the Ipswich game so that was progress.
We now need to progress a little further by not getting caught on the ball just outside our own penalty area, if we do that then we stop conceding goals and start scoring them. |
We would eradicate getting caught on the ball in or near our own penalty area by not slowly passing out from the back, but Martin seems to be insisting on continuing with this. Is it arrogance, stubbornness or just plain stupidity. I suspect a mix of all three.
Especially when he says Alcaraz 'isn't ready yet' - more likely Alcaraz is telling him he wants the ball asap (and we know he can score) and that has upset Martin's preening so he's dropped him, which of course is completely detrimental to the general good feeling within the squad. [Post edited 27 Sep 2023 15:54]
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| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 17:02 - Sep 27 with 995 views | saint22 |
| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 13:02 - Sep 27 by DorsetIan |
On the back of two heavy defeats, we then lose to a promoted team and a team that had done nothing all season.
You're clutching at straws to find any sort of 'progress' in that. |
there is absolutely no progress at all, just the same errors and the same results
he has 3 games in my book anything less than 6 points and he is done | | | |
| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 17:23 - Sep 27 with 985 views | Butty101 |
| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 13:02 - Sep 27 by DorsetIan |
On the back of two heavy defeats, we then lose to a promoted team and a team that had done nothing all season.
You're clutching at straws to find any sort of 'progress' in that. |
Nick bait on every thread. Litterally the whole board completely disagrees with Nick. This leads me to one of two conclusions:-
A) he has been bought off by the club.
B) he needs to increase website traffic |  |
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| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 18:53 - Sep 27 with 897 views | Berber |
| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 12:55 - Sep 27 by SaintNick |
You can do two things in football, you can either see things as black & white in which case either everything is either absolute sh*te or its absolutely brilliant.
Or you can look at things with some sort of perspective.
Our last two games have seen narrow defeats by one goal so that is progress from getting beaten 5-0 & 4-1.
In both games we didnt get caught by basically just a hoof up the field, the game against Boro was an improvement on the Ipswich game so that was progress.
We now need to progress a little further by not getting caught on the ball just outside our own penalty area, if we do that then we stop conceding goals and start scoring them. |
I wouldn’t call not getting tonked by teams less able to do it as progress. Not scoring goals, and having few good shots on goal is not progress.Playing a failed striker as a failed midfielder is not progress. Given how poor we have been, you would think that progress would be easy to demonstrate in terms of our own performances. Sadly, this is not the case.
I suppose not picking Manning couple be construed as progress. Squinting through or fingers to find losing by fewer goals is pushing it though., |  |
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| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 00:08 - Sep 28 with 777 views | sledger |
| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 18:53 - Sep 27 by Berber |
I wouldn’t call not getting tonked by teams less able to do it as progress. Not scoring goals, and having few good shots on goal is not progress.Playing a failed striker as a failed midfielder is not progress. Given how poor we have been, you would think that progress would be easy to demonstrate in terms of our own performances. Sadly, this is not the case.
I suppose not picking Manning couple be construed as progress. Squinting through or fingers to find losing by fewer goals is pushing it though., |
only took 45 minutes to get his pal manning back in,just how bad must he be to get dropped | | | |
| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 09:35 - Sep 28 with 679 views | MattFinish |
| Crucial Day For Russell Martin On Saturday on 12:55 - Sep 27 by SaintNick |
You can do two things in football, you can either see things as black & white in which case either everything is either absolute sh*te or its absolutely brilliant.
Or you can look at things with some sort of perspective.
Our last two games have seen narrow defeats by one goal so that is progress from getting beaten 5-0 & 4-1.
In both games we didnt get caught by basically just a hoof up the field, the game against Boro was an improvement on the Ipswich game so that was progress.
We now need to progress a little further by not getting caught on the ball just outside our own penalty area, if we do that then we stop conceding goals and start scoring them. |
I have to say I admire your loyalty Nick, but I have to disagree with you.
I don't think losing at home to newly promoted Ipswich and losing away to bottom club Middlesbrough was in any way an improvement on the Leicester and Sunderland defeats other than the fact that we didn't lose by as many.
I thought Ipswich were bang average and Boro showed why they were sitting at the foot of the table. However, if either of them had Jamie Vardy in attack we would have been hammered again. We lost by a smaller margin against Boro and Ipswich because they missed a string of easy chances. This was in fact the same in the games where we’ve picked up points. We picked up 7 points with goals after the 87th minute and where you could say that shows resilience it also could be considered as lucky.
The same mistakes were there. Trying to play out from the back requires a lot of movement from players to receive the ball and there is none. We play a few pointless short passes just in front of the goal line, teams know were going to do this and close us down and if we don’t give the ball away for an easy tap in within a few passes we hoof it up because were under pressure.
The other mistake is particularly at set pieces we have 9 players in the opposition box and so far either Smallbone or Edozie sitting on the halfway line to counter the break. Smallbone has no pace and Edozie can’t tackle.
If you look back to the victory against QPR we won that against the run of play and were lucky not to lose. They played us off the pitch in the second half and should have won.
Nothing is changing other than were getting worse and all RM says is trust the process. RM hasn’t been found out this season. He was found out in 2020 at Milton Keynes Dons. Everyone knows exactly what to expect and how to nullify it and everyone knows he won’t change his style. |  | | |
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