| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 07:11 - Aug 27 with 2214 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
We have gone behind in every league game except Middlesborough, and all the goals have been soft as sh*te and preventable. I've said before we are so weak in the centre of the midfield/defence, so bringing in an experienced freebie for the season is fair enough I think.
However, I like most people on here, am scratching my head as I thought we were not doing this type of signing anymore. Confused!
On the 'not giving the youngsters a chance' I get impression Beale has quickly decided the 23 upwards 'youngsters' are not good enough. So think it is fair to say Bettache, SDM etc wont be here long term. It sounds like he is going to work with the 18-20s such as Armstrong, Gubbins, Jude Boyd and Drewe etc and try and get them up to a decent level for next season. |  | |  |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 07:34 - Aug 27 with 2156 views | davman |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 07:11 - Aug 27 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
We have gone behind in every league game except Middlesborough, and all the goals have been soft as sh*te and preventable. I've said before we are so weak in the centre of the midfield/defence, so bringing in an experienced freebie for the season is fair enough I think.
However, I like most people on here, am scratching my head as I thought we were not doing this type of signing anymore. Confused!
On the 'not giving the youngsters a chance' I get impression Beale has quickly decided the 23 upwards 'youngsters' are not good enough. So think it is fair to say Bettache, SDM etc wont be here long term. It sounds like he is going to work with the 18-20s such as Armstrong, Gubbins, Jude Boyd and Drewe etc and try and get them up to a decent level for next season. |
I think that you are right in that they won't be here long, but I am starting to join the crowd that will ask why they are still here and under whose watch.
These are NOT youngsters anymore - Nico, SDM, Bettache, Owens, Masterson, Shodipo - all drawing a wage (even if it is small) for a good 5 years at least for what return? Don't get me wrong, they have all shown flashes, but are not breaking into the team right now (aside from Mido, but that's just because of injuries), so WHY are they still here taking up spots that could be given to someone with a chance of breaking through?
The core of the team is fine; the extended squad in a world where a number of the first team appear to be susceptible to injury and a world of 5 substitutes remains what will get us into trouble. Yes, we have key players to come back and yes, Willock / Chair / Roberts / Richards have not been on the pitch together, but this was going to be a really heavy season the way it was panning out. |  |
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| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 07:51 - Aug 27 with 2124 views | LadbrokeR |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 12:51 - Aug 26 by dm97 |
McClaren (despite being a turd) says the youth players coming through are not good enough, Warbs says they’re not good enough, now Beale says they’re not good enough. Don’t think it’s so much a change of brief, but a case of ‘it’s not me it’s you’ becoming ‘f*&£ it is me’ within the club.
Uproar on this OTT on both sides - heads need to roll vs HMS wE aRe GoNnA PiSs ThE LeAgue if we sign a guy who scored a few goals for Preston (who everyone else wants)…
Fact remains: Belk and our policy of signing players who have fallen out of the system is our most fruitful and common way of trading (Willock, Eze, Chair, Amos, Richards, JCS, Dickie and on). We haven’t produced good homegrown players in my lifetime and that will never change with current youth structures - doesn’t matter what the PR spin doctors do at LR or WLS. |
Are you not old enough to have seen Kevin Gallen | | | |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 07:58 - Aug 27 with 2100 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Beale continues to impress me. Knows what he is doing, in stark contrast to the DoF, whose position must surely be untenable by now. Been saying, for all the talk of the strikers, how the midfield is our main problem as we are so easy to play through.
The naivety to expect players who are League 1 at best to suddenly become world beaters is embarrassing; it simply doesn't work like that. Yes, you can find rough diamonds like Eze by picking up players who have been discarded by other clubs, but that can only be part of your strategy.
And I like his ambition. This is our eighth season in this league. Piddling around in the lower reaches of the Championship is only going to lead to diminishing returns. We should be aspiring to better things, rather than waiting perpetually for Niko to turn from a caterpillar into a butterfly or George Thomas to score a goal. Bravo! 👠| | | |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 08:23 - Aug 27 with 2050 views | Lblock |
My views on Mr Chris Ramsey the Manager are on the record, he was hugely out of his depth.
I acknowledged he was a highly respected youth coach and said it was right that he returned to that role along with his “specialist youth coaches”.
Then I heard from people who had been involved at that level.
People who had taken their sons out of what they considered to be an absolute shambles.
Those kids, in one case, walked straight into a Premiership academy miles and miles away from their home. Another (spit) to Bentford.
I was told first hand just how we operate at youth level and I was shocked.
Really thought that was our focus.
Then you look at the conveyor belt and the pathway…. and surely you ask…”where are they after all this time?”
The club is a failure top to bottom.
It’s given me great times and ultimate lows.
It’s been a source of many laughs and meeting great people.
But it’s a circus and I’m sick of it.
A few dynamics have changed for me recently and I really can’t be bothered with it at the moment. I wish Pete Beale every success and I hope he gets to where he “finks” he can with our outfit.
Until the next change of direction (or the next must win game!)
Good luck
RTID |  |
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| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 08:23 - Aug 27 with 2054 views | sexton |
If Beale tells whoever needs to be told that handing 4-year contracts to players who haven't a hope in hell of making it is madness, then good on him. |  | | |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 08:29 - Aug 27 with 2029 views | DejR_vu |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 08:23 - Aug 27 by Lblock |
My views on Mr Chris Ramsey the Manager are on the record, he was hugely out of his depth.
I acknowledged he was a highly respected youth coach and said it was right that he returned to that role along with his “specialist youth coaches”.
Then I heard from people who had been involved at that level.
People who had taken their sons out of what they considered to be an absolute shambles.
Those kids, in one case, walked straight into a Premiership academy miles and miles away from their home. Another (spit) to Bentford.
I was told first hand just how we operate at youth level and I was shocked.
Really thought that was our focus.
Then you look at the conveyor belt and the pathway…. and surely you ask…”where are they after all this time?”
The club is a failure top to bottom.
It’s given me great times and ultimate lows.
It’s been a source of many laughs and meeting great people.
But it’s a circus and I’m sick of it.
A few dynamics have changed for me recently and I really can’t be bothered with it at the moment. I wish Pete Beale every success and I hope he gets to where he “finks” he can with our outfit.
Until the next change of direction (or the next must win game!)
Good luck
RTID |
Absolutely spot on.
CR seems to have made a career on the back of being at Spurs when Kane was in the academy there. | |
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| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 08:49 - Aug 27 with 1971 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 08:23 - Aug 27 by Lblock |
My views on Mr Chris Ramsey the Manager are on the record, he was hugely out of his depth.
I acknowledged he was a highly respected youth coach and said it was right that he returned to that role along with his “specialist youth coaches”.
Then I heard from people who had been involved at that level.
People who had taken their sons out of what they considered to be an absolute shambles.
Those kids, in one case, walked straight into a Premiership academy miles and miles away from their home. Another (spit) to Bentford.
I was told first hand just how we operate at youth level and I was shocked.
Really thought that was our focus.
Then you look at the conveyor belt and the pathway…. and surely you ask…”where are they after all this time?”
The club is a failure top to bottom.
It’s given me great times and ultimate lows.
It’s been a source of many laughs and meeting great people.
But it’s a circus and I’m sick of it.
A few dynamics have changed for me recently and I really can’t be bothered with it at the moment. I wish Pete Beale every success and I hope he gets to where he “finks” he can with our outfit.
Until the next change of direction (or the next must win game!)
Good luck
RTID |
LB,
I don't think you can put that post up in its current vague form. It's just hearsay and, without any corrobration, it's damaging (including to my sensitive mind, son't y'know!). |  |
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| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 09:30 - Aug 27 with 1842 views | essextaxiboy |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 07:51 - Aug 27 by LadbrokeR |
Are you not old enough to have seen Kevin Gallen |
..or Richard Langley |  | | |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 09:58 - Aug 27 with 1776 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 09:30 - Aug 27 by essextaxiboy |
..or Richard Langley |
That’s two names in 30 years. I think the point still stands. |  | | |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 09:59 - Aug 27 with 1769 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 08:23 - Aug 27 by Lblock |
My views on Mr Chris Ramsey the Manager are on the record, he was hugely out of his depth.
I acknowledged he was a highly respected youth coach and said it was right that he returned to that role along with his “specialist youth coaches”.
Then I heard from people who had been involved at that level.
People who had taken their sons out of what they considered to be an absolute shambles.
Those kids, in one case, walked straight into a Premiership academy miles and miles away from their home. Another (spit) to Bentford.
I was told first hand just how we operate at youth level and I was shocked.
Really thought that was our focus.
Then you look at the conveyor belt and the pathway…. and surely you ask…”where are they after all this time?”
The club is a failure top to bottom.
It’s given me great times and ultimate lows.
It’s been a source of many laughs and meeting great people.
But it’s a circus and I’m sick of it.
A few dynamics have changed for me recently and I really can’t be bothered with it at the moment. I wish Pete Beale every success and I hope he gets to where he “finks” he can with our outfit.
Until the next change of direction (or the next must win game!)
Good luck
RTID |
Sorry, but how can a club that has just spent £40 million on a state of the art training facility be considered a failure? When I mention this to friends who support other clubs they are genuinely surprised we have invested that amount.
Having been to the Concord Club a few years ago to see the academy boys train I can honestly say I was shocked at the facilities. I am not surprised we have very few youngsters coming through as I wouldn't have been to impressed if my child was going to go there.
The club have identified this hence the massive investment, however, I don't think we will see high quality academy boys breaking through for at least 7 or 8 years minimum as this will take time.
If you look at England 20 years we were really sh*te, the FA implemented a new coaching philosophy England DNA and built a state of the art training facility at St George's. 20 years later it is bearing fruit with highly technical players and a world cup semi and a Euro final.
QPR are only just starting out on that journey. | | | |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 10:27 - Aug 27 with 1665 views | baz_qpr |
A few things I took from that interview...
1. Instructions to strengthen have come from the board, there is clearly concern as I am sure we all have that we are one centre back injury, one left back injury, one defensive midfielder injury from being in a relegation dog fight
2. Its Archer or no one up front
3. We've got some "outs" lined up either Dozzell or Johanson
4. Balogun has been brought in because we dont have enough CB's to switch to a 3 if needed, we've let 3 go from 21/22 squad and recruited 1. Gubbins is not ready and Masterson is not fancied
5. Lack of leadership or the right type of leadership in the team and in the dressing room
You can only develop if you have something to develop and whilst the 18s seem to have some talent coming through the 21s is a long way short |  | | |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 10:30 - Aug 27 with 1645 views | Loftgirl |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 16:13 - Aug 26 by BAWHoops |
Seems like ALOT of cards were marked after the Charlton game.
Beale was very pissed off after that |
A LOT |  | | |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 11:05 - Aug 27 with 1570 views | Stainrod |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 08:23 - Aug 27 by Lblock |
My views on Mr Chris Ramsey the Manager are on the record, he was hugely out of his depth.
I acknowledged he was a highly respected youth coach and said it was right that he returned to that role along with his “specialist youth coaches”.
Then I heard from people who had been involved at that level.
People who had taken their sons out of what they considered to be an absolute shambles.
Those kids, in one case, walked straight into a Premiership academy miles and miles away from their home. Another (spit) to Bentford.
I was told first hand just how we operate at youth level and I was shocked.
Really thought that was our focus.
Then you look at the conveyor belt and the pathway…. and surely you ask…”where are they after all this time?”
The club is a failure top to bottom.
It’s given me great times and ultimate lows.
It’s been a source of many laughs and meeting great people.
But it’s a circus and I’m sick of it.
A few dynamics have changed for me recently and I really can’t be bothered with it at the moment. I wish Pete Beale every success and I hope he gets to where he “finks” he can with our outfit.
Until the next change of direction (or the next must win game!)
Good luck
RTID |
Very interesting post.
Can you be more specific though? Why is the current set up a shambles? Is it purely about poor facilities (which in fairness to the club comes down to finances and which they are now addressing with the very expensive new training ground); is it overall strategy; or is it the personnel in terms of management/ coaching style/ personal behaviour towards young players and how they are nurtured - or what? | | | |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 11:06 - Aug 27 with 1569 views | GloryHunter |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 13:08 - Aug 26 by Antti_Heinola |
Warbs wasn't sacked for not playing youngsters. He was sacked because results fell off a cliff and the owners lost patience. Simple as. Far, far too much has been made of a few comments and a bit of hearsay. |
A little bird has just told me that Warbs was not at the training ground for the last three months of the season - only showed up on match days. Was this the cause of our slide, or a result of him being already frozen out? |  | | |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 11:15 - Aug 27 with 1502 views | SydneyRs |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 08:23 - Aug 27 by Lblock |
My views on Mr Chris Ramsey the Manager are on the record, he was hugely out of his depth.
I acknowledged he was a highly respected youth coach and said it was right that he returned to that role along with his “specialist youth coaches”.
Then I heard from people who had been involved at that level.
People who had taken their sons out of what they considered to be an absolute shambles.
Those kids, in one case, walked straight into a Premiership academy miles and miles away from their home. Another (spit) to Bentford.
I was told first hand just how we operate at youth level and I was shocked.
Really thought that was our focus.
Then you look at the conveyor belt and the pathway…. and surely you ask…”where are they after all this time?”
The club is a failure top to bottom.
It’s given me great times and ultimate lows.
It’s been a source of many laughs and meeting great people.
But it’s a circus and I’m sick of it.
A few dynamics have changed for me recently and I really can’t be bothered with it at the moment. I wish Pete Beale every success and I hope he gets to where he “finks” he can with our outfit.
Until the next change of direction (or the next must win game!)
Good luck
RTID |
How much of what you talk about is down to Ramsey rather than club infrastructure though. WIll the training ground address some of the issues? | | | |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 11:52 - Aug 27 with 1425 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 11:06 - Aug 27 by GloryHunter |
A little bird has just told me that Warbs was not at the training ground for the last three months of the season - only showed up on match days. Was this the cause of our slide, or a result of him being already frozen out? |
Would be absolutely shocked if this was true. He is a training ground coach, and is as dedicated as anyone. I suspect this is BS. Whatever the rights and wrongs of not renewing his contract, Warbs was and is a decent, honourable man, who deserves better than this sort of tittle tattle. |  |
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| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 12:02 - Aug 27 with 1405 views | sexton |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 09:58 - Aug 27 by BazzaInTheLoft |
That’s two names in 30 years. I think the point still stands. |
Neither of whom made it at the top level. | | | |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 12:05 - Aug 27 with 1399 views | DejR_vu |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 11:06 - Aug 27 by GloryHunter |
A little bird has just told me that Warbs was not at the training ground for the last three months of the season - only showed up on match days. Was this the cause of our slide, or a result of him being already frozen out? |
I’m pretty sure his in-house pre-match interviews were from his office at Harlington, so that would be very surprising. | |
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| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 13:15 - Aug 27 with 1288 views | kensalriser |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 00:56 - Aug 27 by Hunterhoop |
Yes. |
On what grounds?
We were in relegation form for an extended period at the latter end of last season and that doesn’t seem to have changed, albeit we’re only five games in. Is there a convincing argument the squad has improved? I’ll admit I came out of the Rotherham game thinking it wasn’t too bad, but with cold analysis that might have been overly optimistic. Our first 11 is probably capable of a respectable finish but in the real world your first 11 doesn’t play the entire season. We’ve already seen what effect a handful of injuries has. Lose Willock for a period and one or two others and we’re just not going to get results. And I think the focus on our poverty of striker choices has deflected attention from a leaky defence. I can’t remember which game now, but I watched Dickie needlessly lose the ball by the Ellerslie touchline just inside our half and the opposition was in on goal. Luckily they didn’t score, but it was sloppy defending. And not a one off in terms of poor defending, we routinely offer too much space, fail to track runners and are easily panicked by a high press. |  |
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| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 14:54 - Aug 27 with 1174 views | GloryHunter |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 11:52 - Aug 27 by Antti_Heinola |
Would be absolutely shocked if this was true. He is a training ground coach, and is as dedicated as anyone. I suspect this is BS. Whatever the rights and wrongs of not renewing his contract, Warbs was and is a decent, honourable man, who deserves better than this sort of tittle tattle. |
Yes, I was shocked when I heard it, too. But the source was from inside the club. | | | |
| Beale, pretty wild West London Sport copy... on 17:26 - Aug 27 with 1039 views | DylanP |
Are people really complaining about him bringing in a free transfer on low wages to strengthen a defense that hasn't kept a clean sheet yet and has looked far from reliable in spite of having the best keeper in the league?
Seems like decent business to me. He doesn't have to play him, but it is obvious we need options
What we desperately need is a real striker. Dykes isn't contributing anything and he doesn't seem to rate Bonne (does anyone?) |  |
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