| Fans on the board 08:33 - May 10 with 5560 views | Pikey |
Interested to hear views on Govt proposal of fans ( or fan) on board. We know a club like ours needs owners with deep pockets so what would a fan on thd board achieve?
For instance who would nominate that fan? Would it need to be from one of the recognised groups? Or a randomly selected season ticket holder?
How would we ,the fans, ensure that person didnt simply work to his/ her own agenda that could be very different from the majority.
If we just read through the postings on various subjects on this forum we can see how hard it can be to get a consensus on a variety of important issues.
Having one person on the board is unlikely to change anything apart from possibly transparency although when we used to have union reps on company boards a lot of delicate discussions took place away from the boardroom.
Just throwing it out there, would be interested to hear the views if others
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| Fans on the board on 16:50 - May 11 with 1690 views | joe90 |
| Fans on the board on 15:59 - May 11 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Even if you really believe that, you are describing the symptoms and I am describing fan governance as a potential cure.
Personally, I don’t think this club is disjointed any more than any other club. You should read the article because Motherwell’s situation before fan ownership was dire. If you want another urban London club as an example consider AFC Wimbledon or Brentford. Two very different systems granted, but both have benefitted according to their size.
LazyFan has it right. Why would anyone turn their nose up at it, token or otherwise? [Post edited 11 May 2022 16:12]
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I did read the article.
The point I'm making is that some clubs have right 'ingredients' for which the fans and community to rally around.
I can't comment on the Brentford example, but I know about Wimbledon (my brothers have shares and season tickets) they're a new club, so starting from scratch gives you the opportunity to put in the place the corporate structure and governance. That's much easier to do than reforming when you have various stakeholders all with differing amounts of vested interest.
My concern about putting a fan on the board is that it wouldn't make a significant difference and it could be used in the future by those in charge as evidence to refute further fan involvement.
What I think we need to do is demonstrate collective fan interest/power before advocating for a fan on the board. Unfortunately I think we've missed the boat on this by letting the club charge fans for the Stan Bowles signage. We haven't shown our teeth as a collective and shown them that we're willing to dip our hands in our pocket for things the club should be paying for. |  | | |
| Fans on the board on 21:57 - May 11 with 1598 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Fans on the board on 16:50 - May 11 by joe90 |
I did read the article.
The point I'm making is that some clubs have right 'ingredients' for which the fans and community to rally around.
I can't comment on the Brentford example, but I know about Wimbledon (my brothers have shares and season tickets) they're a new club, so starting from scratch gives you the opportunity to put in the place the corporate structure and governance. That's much easier to do than reforming when you have various stakeholders all with differing amounts of vested interest.
My concern about putting a fan on the board is that it wouldn't make a significant difference and it could be used in the future by those in charge as evidence to refute further fan involvement.
What I think we need to do is demonstrate collective fan interest/power before advocating for a fan on the board. Unfortunately I think we've missed the boat on this by letting the club charge fans for the Stan Bowles signage. We haven't shown our teeth as a collective and shown them that we're willing to dip our hands in our pocket for things the club should be paying for. |
There are plenty of arguments against fan governance, but saying we shouldn’t do it because it might stop it happening again is a bit of a stretch no?
I’ve also got shares in AFC (and others).
I don’t think you need to worry anyway. No plans for it to happen at QPR. I’m not launching a bid with £6.50 in my pocket, but if we ever go near administration again one day I’d need a very good reason not to try. |  | | |
| Fans on the board on 23:07 - May 11 with 1557 views | joe90 |
| Fans on the board on 21:57 - May 11 by BazzaInTheLoft |
There are plenty of arguments against fan governance, but saying we shouldn’t do it because it might stop it happening again is a bit of a stretch no?
I’ve also got shares in AFC (and others).
I don’t think you need to worry anyway. No plans for it to happen at QPR. I’m not launching a bid with £6.50 in my pocket, but if we ever go near administration again one day I’d need a very good reason not to try. |
You miss my point. Anyway, I’m not worried about and not against the principle, just don’t see it working for QPR. | | | |
| Fans on the board on 06:19 - May 12 with 1494 views | davman |
Maybe a fans group as an advisory body on fan related matters, but anything else is a bit left wing nonsense and extremely tokenistic.
The only person that can truly represent you on every single matter is you. You may find someone who agrees with you 95% of the time, but that might mean that the one issue you TRULY care about, they don't. There are so many voices and opinions on here, across social media and IRL, no-one would be able to adequately represent the fans.
I'd give it until the club announcement of who the rep is until the first post comes out about the individual simply being a stooge for the owners.
As others have said ownership is very different from being there in as a non-owner.
What's the remit of the fan? Protect the club's existence or the gamble to take it to the next level? If the former, I actually have full confidence in Lee Hoos - he will protect the future of the club, but won't be gambling. If the latter, what would his stance have been on pushing the boat out further in January safe in the knowledge that this season might be one of cuts if the gamble failed?
So, yes a fans rep to talk about the treatment of fans, but unless they are qualified and actually get listened to on wider matters, forget it. |  |
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| Fans on the board on 08:02 - May 12 with 1470 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Fans on the board on 06:19 - May 12 by davman |
Maybe a fans group as an advisory body on fan related matters, but anything else is a bit left wing nonsense and extremely tokenistic.
The only person that can truly represent you on every single matter is you. You may find someone who agrees with you 95% of the time, but that might mean that the one issue you TRULY care about, they don't. There are so many voices and opinions on here, across social media and IRL, no-one would be able to adequately represent the fans.
I'd give it until the club announcement of who the rep is until the first post comes out about the individual simply being a stooge for the owners.
As others have said ownership is very different from being there in as a non-owner.
What's the remit of the fan? Protect the club's existence or the gamble to take it to the next level? If the former, I actually have full confidence in Lee Hoos - he will protect the future of the club, but won't be gambling. If the latter, what would his stance have been on pushing the boat out further in January safe in the knowledge that this season might be one of cuts if the gamble failed?
So, yes a fans rep to talk about the treatment of fans, but unless they are qualified and actually get listened to on wider matters, forget it. |
I hadn’t considered that these ideas might be Left Wing nonsense. We certainly don’t want that.
Motherwell got into Europe last night, as did Hearts who also have majority fan ownership along with St Mirren. That’s 2 of the 4 best teams in the league topping the table.
It’s a model that works well in Scotland but as others haves pointed out I don’t think fans are ready for it here. I’m sure the complaining will continue though, despite zero power (or even the vaneer of power) to do anything about it. [Post edited 12 May 2022 8:04]
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| Fans on the board on 08:59 - May 12 with 1423 views | stevec |
The only reason to have a fan on the board should be stuff like lobbying to improve the beer on offer, getting the bird shit removed, improving ground access and doing something about the seat backs/knee room.
What they shouldn’t do is have any input in footballing matters. If you want that, go and earn yourself a good few million and be prepared to put your own hand in your pocket.
What we don’t need on the board are back seat drivers. |  | | |
| Fans on the board on 09:20 - May 12 with 1419 views | LythamR |
| Fans on the board on 06:19 - May 12 by davman |
Maybe a fans group as an advisory body on fan related matters, but anything else is a bit left wing nonsense and extremely tokenistic.
The only person that can truly represent you on every single matter is you. You may find someone who agrees with you 95% of the time, but that might mean that the one issue you TRULY care about, they don't. There are so many voices and opinions on here, across social media and IRL, no-one would be able to adequately represent the fans.
I'd give it until the club announcement of who the rep is until the first post comes out about the individual simply being a stooge for the owners.
As others have said ownership is very different from being there in as a non-owner.
What's the remit of the fan? Protect the club's existence or the gamble to take it to the next level? If the former, I actually have full confidence in Lee Hoos - he will protect the future of the club, but won't be gambling. If the latter, what would his stance have been on pushing the boat out further in January safe in the knowledge that this season might be one of cuts if the gamble failed?
So, yes a fans rep to talk about the treatment of fans, but unless they are qualified and actually get listened to on wider matters, forget it. |
"The only person that can truly represent you on every single matter is you. You may find someone who agrees with you 95% of the time, but that might mean that the one issue you TRULY care about, they don't. There are so many voices and opinions on here, across social media and IRL, no-one would be able to adequately represent the fans."
Surely on the basis of the above argument we should simply kick democracy as a whole into touch. do you ever vote in elections at all.
A supporters representative on the board should primarily represent the views and will of the majority of the supporters at board level not that of any individual including themselves |  | | |
| Fans on the board on 10:30 - May 12 with 1398 views | daveB |
| Fans on the board on 08:59 - May 12 by stevec |
The only reason to have a fan on the board should be stuff like lobbying to improve the beer on offer, getting the bird shit removed, improving ground access and doing something about the seat backs/knee room.
What they shouldn’t do is have any input in footballing matters. If you want that, go and earn yourself a good few million and be prepared to put your own hand in your pocket.
What we don’t need on the board are back seat drivers. |
You wouldn't want a fan to have any real say on who we sign, who the manager should be etc but it would help to explain the culture and history of the club and help owners to make better more sustainable decisions. For instance when fernandes and co came in they completely set fire to everything and by the time they had worked out what the club actually was and what it needed to be successful it was too late.
Brentford do it quite well with that announcer fella who hates us, he talks to the players and tells them about where the club has come from what the fans want, who they hate etc and it helps everyone buy into the culture of a club. |  | | |
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| Fans on the board on 10:33 - May 12 with 1395 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Fans on the board on 10:30 - May 12 by daveB |
You wouldn't want a fan to have any real say on who we sign, who the manager should be etc but it would help to explain the culture and history of the club and help owners to make better more sustainable decisions. For instance when fernandes and co came in they completely set fire to everything and by the time they had worked out what the club actually was and what it needed to be successful it was too late.
Brentford do it quite well with that announcer fella who hates us, he talks to the players and tells them about where the club has come from what the fans want, who they hate etc and it helps everyone buy into the culture of a club. |
I guess the closest thing we have to that is Andy Sinton? |  |
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| Fans on the board on 10:45 - May 12 with 1390 views | LythamR |
| Fans on the board on 10:30 - May 12 by daveB |
You wouldn't want a fan to have any real say on who we sign, who the manager should be etc but it would help to explain the culture and history of the club and help owners to make better more sustainable decisions. For instance when fernandes and co came in they completely set fire to everything and by the time they had worked out what the club actually was and what it needed to be successful it was too late.
Brentford do it quite well with that announcer fella who hates us, he talks to the players and tells them about where the club has come from what the fans want, who they hate etc and it helps everyone buy into the culture of a club. |
Why wouldnt you want the supporters representative to have "some" input into who the manager should be?
After all that representative would be coming from a position of the combined experience of the supporter base over decades, is there no value in that, they seem to take notice of a few shouty types on twitter so why not a legitimately selected rep
Surely that has as much value as someone like Tony or Ruben in terms of experience of football managers, or Les or Hoos | | | |
| Fans on the board on 10:48 - May 12 with 1386 views | daveB |
| Fans on the board on 10:45 - May 12 by LythamR |
Why wouldnt you want the supporters representative to have "some" input into who the manager should be?
After all that representative would be coming from a position of the combined experience of the supporter base over decades, is there no value in that, they seem to take notice of a few shouty types on twitter so why not a legitimately selected rep
Surely that has as much value as someone like Tony or Ruben in terms of experience of football managers, or Les or Hoos |
Maybe have a say and if they suggested John Terry the fan would maybe suggest that wouldn't go down well but overall i think you have to trust the people employed to make that decision, too often we've had a director of football recommend a manager and we went with someone else | | | |
| Fans on the board on 11:10 - May 12 with 1370 views | aston_hoop |
| Fans on the board on 08:02 - May 12 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I hadn’t considered that these ideas might be Left Wing nonsense. We certainly don’t want that.
Motherwell got into Europe last night, as did Hearts who also have majority fan ownership along with St Mirren. That’s 2 of the 4 best teams in the league topping the table.
It’s a model that works well in Scotland but as others haves pointed out I don’t think fans are ready for it here. I’m sure the complaining will continue though, despite zero power (or even the vaneer of power) to do anything about it. [Post edited 12 May 2022 8:04]
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As an aside from all the fan-ownership stuff, Motherwell qualifying for Europe means Sean Goss will be playing in Europe next season. Madness |  |
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| Fans on the board on 11:14 - May 12 with 1365 views | LythamR |
| Fans on the board on 10:48 - May 12 by daveB |
Maybe have a say and if they suggested John Terry the fan would maybe suggest that wouldn't go down well but overall i think you have to trust the people employed to make that decision, too often we've had a director of football recommend a manager and we went with someone else |
Maybe a supporters rep would add weight to a recommendation from a DOF to help avoid inappropriate interference in managerial selections from the board in the future | | | |
| Fans on the board on 11:15 - May 12 with 1362 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Fans on the board on 11:10 - May 12 by aston_hoop |
As an aside from all the fan-ownership stuff, Motherwell qualifying for Europe means Sean Goss will be playing in Europe next season. Madness |
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| Fans on the board on 12:59 - May 12 with 1320 views | tonyQPR |
| Fans on the board on 16:16 - May 11 by Northernr |
Whatever the merits or drawbacks, you'd have to be certifiably insane to want to do that job at QPR. |
Sounds perfect for you Clive mate😉 get Mel in too âš½ï¸ðŸºâœ”ï¸ | | | |
| Fans on the board on 13:29 - May 12 with 1282 views | Northernr |
| Fans on the board on 12:59 - May 12 by tonyQPR |
Sounds perfect for you Clive mate😉 get Mel in too âš½ï¸ðŸºâœ”ï¸ |
Ah, now if it was Mel I'd want to be there as an observer. |  | | |
| Fans on the board on 15:47 - May 12 with 1191 views | PinnerPaul |
| Fans on the board on 10:33 - May 12 by CliveWilsonSaid |
I guess the closest thing we have to that is Andy Sinton? |
Yes agree, I suppose you would say that Andy is outfacing as it were, but surely he must have some 'chats' with Les, who in turn 'chats' with the owner.
Not really against the principle, bit like taking the knee- hard to argue with sentiment, but fear it would prove just as useful and 'changing' as the knee gesture has been. | | | |
| Fans on the board on 17:13 - May 12 with 1164 views | Esox_Lucius |
My heart says it could be a good thing, but my brain keeps thinking "fans forum". For the most part they are an absolute sh!tsh0w. |  |
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| Fans on the board on 18:48 - May 12 with 1124 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Fans on the board on 17:13 - May 12 by Esox_Lucius |
My heart says it could be a good thing, but my brain keeps thinking "fans forum". For the most part they are an absolute sh!tsh0w. |
Imagine a fan’s forum where you get to vote who goes on it though. | | | |
| Fans on the board on 09:19 - May 13 with 1074 views | Northernr |
| Fans on the board on 18:48 - May 12 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Imagine a fan’s forum where you get to vote who goes on it though. |
Have you.... been to one of our fans forums?   | | | |
| Fans on the board on 09:27 - May 13 with 1054 views | wombat |
| Fans on the board on 09:19 - May 13 by Northernr |
Have you.... been to one of our fans forums? |
Next one wil be fun thats for sure lol |  |
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| Fans on the board on 09:45 - May 13 with 1033 views | Northernr |
| Fans on the board on 09:27 - May 13 by wombat |
Next one wil be fun thats for sure lol |
You say that, usually when there's something really obvious to talk about is when it goes off down a random rabbit hole. | | | |
| Fans on the board on 16:03 - May 13 with 950 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Fans on the board on 09:19 - May 13 by Northernr |
Have you.... been to one of our fans forums? |
Joking aside, actually no.
I asked three times and was declined each time so gave up. This was some time ago mind! | | | |
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