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Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 16:49 - Jul 12 by ReslovenSwan1
Fans want their team to be racially invisible. I do not look on Routledge or Cabango as black men just real good players for Swansea. In fact if you asked me might need to stop and think about it for few seconds. I must admit seeing Cabango speaking Welsh warmed my heart. (call me a big softy)
The "taking of the knee" shoves this stuff into my face for me to digest. I do not need it. Andre Ayew supplemented the "taking of the knee" (which means something to some people and something else to others) by adding an "unofficial" black fist salute. I am not sure what that signifies but I am sure it was not passed by the club.
If Ayew is sending me this message to me I want to know why and if he has been subjected to any abuse whatsoever in Swansea?. I like to think not. I was a little concerned as to how he would be treated when he returned given his astronomical wages. I need not have worried.
When wearing the Swansea shirt they are not only representing themselves but the club it self, Swansea University, Trade Car Wales , Low Cost Vans West acres and the Turmeric Company.
Fans like me preferred when these issues were dealt with by the club not the clubs players own consciousnesses. Pushing these things onto individuals will surely end in tears. Palestine, Yemen the treatment of workers in Qatar, the Kurds, Rohinja Muslims in China, Amazon indigenous peoples, whales dolphins Greenpeace climate change you name it. The players can deal with this on the Facebook pages and not in a Swansea city shirt. This is what Mr Julian Winter is generously paid to deal with.
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Resloven, you are clearly a very decent person who doesn't see race and to whom it's no different to being blond or having a beard, if everyone was like that then there would be no need for anything like this. i think it was John Stewart Mill who said something along the lines of 'the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men not to do anything;'
Unfortunately, we need this shoved in our faces. AA may not have been subject to racist abuse in Swansea, but it is highly likely and almost certain he has in his past or known people who have. Of course they represent the club, but we also represent them, we need to support them in any way we can. We shouldn't leave it to others to call it out, it is people like you who would never behave in such a way that needs to call this stuff as no one else will.
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Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 18:06 - Jul 12 with 1000 views
Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 12:41 - Jul 12 by londonlisa2001
If you don’t mind me saying Keith, while your post about it ending today is admirable, posts on here that have happened in the short few hours after the match sum up one of the problems with this.
Five young men stepped up and had the balls to take a penalty in that atmosphere last night. They did so knowing what would happen if they missed. Three of them did so in the knowledge that they would also be subjected to horrific racial abuse if they missed. And sure enough, that’s what has happened.
In the short time since, a poster on here has tried to equate the almost unbelievably sickening abuse they have received to posts on here that said they wanted England to lose, and another poster has compared the abuse to that received by Beckham in the past. Also stating that there would be a ‘couple of children and attention seekers using racist language in order to cause some shock factor’.
Both posters are part of the problem, as they are denying the reality of the problem and / or the scale of the problem.
I said before the match that I was fairly ambivalent. As it happens, watching the match I wanted England to win it. I was devastated when Rashford missed as I knew what would happen. Made worse when Sancho and Baka missed.
If people here can’t genuinely see the difference between someone sending people a tweet (although God knows why so called adults do that) saying ‘your penalty was crap’ and sending a tweet with a line of offensive pictures, or using hate language then the problem we have will never ever get better.
Similarly when the Home Secretary now says it’s awful while she previously said she could understand and support why so called ‘fans’ booed the team taking the knee. And the Prime Minister, with a history of his own racist language didn’t contradict her, and now joins in the anti racist wailing in his usual hypocritical manner.
We live in a country populated with a significant percentage of utter scum. Yes, the social media companies should do something about it, but that these attitudes exist in 2021 is horrifying. And false equivalence, repeated so frequently on here, not only on race, but on sexism, homophobia and so on is a deliberate attempt to weaken the impact of genuine issues.
Unless it is rooted out, it will continue to create an atmosphere where racism, sexism and homophobia will continue to flourish.
You state you knew what would follow as soon as Rashford missed?
I just thought what the hell was that? Sure he thought it himself as did his team mates and manager. Bet even his mother let out an expletive or two. Not once did I think..oh god hes going to cop it for being black. I guess my mind does not think like that.
I would have thought the same if he was white or dare I say Welsh. In fact, my thoughts were the same when Bale screwed up.
Masses of respect for young Rashford as a decent human being.
Doesn't need me to tell him that was a howler and he should have just kicked the damn thing hard!
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Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 18:23 - Jul 12 with 987 views
Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 18:06 - Jul 12 by Minesapint
You state you knew what would follow as soon as Rashford missed?
I just thought what the hell was that? Sure he thought it himself as did his team mates and manager. Bet even his mother let out an expletive or two. Not once did I think..oh god hes going to cop it for being black. I guess my mind does not think like that.
I would have thought the same if he was white or dare I say Welsh. In fact, my thoughts were the same when Bale screwed up.
Masses of respect for young Rashford as a decent human being.
Doesn't need me to tell him that was a howler and he should have just kicked the damn thing hard!
Rashford removed his silver medal within clear view of the official from UEFA chief who smiling handed it to him offering commiserations. This is not the action of a humble young man. If this is a gesture to UEFA he should say so or apologise for his crass ignorance. Even fat white European men deserve some respect.
Loading these young people with the problems of the world will come to no good. Petulant displays encouraged by the media will be seen for sure in the Olympics as scowling silver and bronze medals are looked on disdainfully.
I get your point but come on..emotions were high. The build up and expectations were off the scale.
The most pressure these kids have had was probably taking a driving test. England had their greatest chance and it rested on the shoulders of the youngsters. I will forgive him a bit of petulance and cut him some slack for that.
Anyone concerned about social media abuse might like to add their signature to the petition below. Not just to combat racist slurs but any online harassment.
If people have nothing to hide they should not have problem of providing proof of ID to be part of Twitter etc.
Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 18:23 - Jul 12 by ReslovenSwan1
Rashford removed his silver medal within clear view of the official from UEFA chief who smiling handed it to him offering commiserations. This is not the action of a humble young man. If this is a gesture to UEFA he should say so or apologise for his crass ignorance. Even fat white European men deserve some respect.
Loading these young people with the problems of the world will come to no good. Petulant displays encouraged by the media will be seen for sure in the Olympics as scowling silver and bronze medals are looked on disdainfully.
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The removing of medals after losing a game didn’t start last night and isn’t solely a football thing - England after rugby World Cup final. It isn’t just a British thing either - Spain U21 and mourinho throwing a community shield runners up medal into the crowd.
Don’t know whether it’s sports psychology- losers medals are for losers so don’t value being a loser or something else but if it isn’t stamped out it will filter down to youngsters and become the norm.
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Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 21:06 - Jul 12 with 894 views
Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 17:30 - Jul 12 by Sirjohnalot
Resloven, you are clearly a very decent person who doesn't see race and to whom it's no different to being blond or having a beard, if everyone was like that then there would be no need for anything like this. i think it was John Stewart Mill who said something along the lines of 'the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men not to do anything;'
Unfortunately, we need this shoved in our faces. AA may not have been subject to racist abuse in Swansea, but it is highly likely and almost certain he has in his past or known people who have. Of course they represent the club, but we also represent them, we need to support them in any way we can. We shouldn't leave it to others to call it out, it is people like you who would never behave in such a way that needs to call this stuff as no one else will.
Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 21:11 - Jul 12 by Sirjohnalot
Bloody people, nicking your quote
Indeed.
I really have started a book but have run out of motivation to complete. Keith has been helpful but I find I might upset too many people . I’ve been in several dangerously awkward situations as I can imagine.
Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 11:01 - Jul 12 by Badlands
Is this racist enough? Maybe you aprove.
This is why we take the knee. Praying for a better future - worthy of the values, beauty and respect exemplified by every single England player. pic.twitter.com/uuWYVnAmYp
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 22:23 - Jul 12 with 833 views
Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:23 - Jul 12 by londonlisa2001
I’m afraid that the whole country has a very real problem with racism.
It’s not only this country of course.
Was it Ozil who said that if he scores he’s German and if he misses he’s an immigrant? May have misremembered that but the point is a good one.
We’ve all heard of how this England team have made everyone think in a more embracing and inclusive fashion. It’s obviously only been the case while they were winning. Last night has revealed the ugliness of this country. An ugliness that has been encouraged by politicians that have desperately tried to stir up culture wars where none exist, made worse by the absolute horror shows that were given prominence through the vote leave crap fest and have subsequently taken over the Conservative party.
It’s a sickening indictment of our so called ‘tolerant’ society how easily they have managed to do so.
Your posts on this thread are absolutely outstanding.
If anyone can’t see this bloke is the epitome of what I described then there is no hope for any sense on this subject. It’s simply attention seeking and going for the shock factor, it’s crystal clear to anyone with half a brain cell.
In the last few hours he has attacked gay people, women, black people, Middle Eastern people, obese people, Asians, vegans (?!)... among others.
It’s not someone using a platform to give his genuine views, he is literally trying to be as shocking as he can be, as offensive as he can be and to as many people as possible.
Why?
Because they are giving him the attention the comments are designed for. Every ridiculous comment he makes he gets an army of people engaging with him, it then fuels him to make another... and the cycle continues.
The sooner people realise this the better.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
If this is correct, which appears to be so, it just goes to show that this is all attention driven and the very reason why this is an issue which fuels itself in a never ending cycle of ‘shock and reaction’.
Something didn’t sit right with me regarding this account from the start. From the spelling of the name “Andie” Jones, to his apparent Somalian links from his posts from months back talking about the music etc despite appearing to be Caucasian.
So what we appear to have is a Somalian guy (or at least a person located in Somalia) changing his Twitter profile picture and name after the match to a white English guy and tweeting out a whole load of offensive stuff as he knows the attention he will get off the back of it.
People using these incredibly transparent social media attention seeking troll accounts to try and make out there is some sort of racist epidemic in the U.K. are absolutely part of the problem. Their reactions to them are exactly why they exist in the first place.
Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 16:49 - Jul 12 by ReslovenSwan1
Fans want their team to be racially invisible. I do not look on Routledge or Cabango as black men just real good players for Swansea. In fact if you asked me might need to stop and think about it for few seconds. I must admit seeing Cabango speaking Welsh warmed my heart. (call me a big softy)
The "taking of the knee" shoves this stuff into my face for me to digest. I do not need it. Andre Ayew supplemented the "taking of the knee" (which means something to some people and something else to others) by adding an "unofficial" black fist salute. I am not sure what that signifies but I am sure it was not passed by the club.
If Ayew is sending me this message to me I want to know why and if he has been subjected to any abuse whatsoever in Swansea?. I like to think not. I was a little concerned as to how he would be treated when he returned given his astronomical wages. I need not have worried.
When wearing the Swansea shirt they are not only representing themselves but the club it self, Swansea University, Trade Car Wales , Low Cost Vans West acres and the Turmeric Company.
Fans like me preferred when these issues were dealt with by the club not the clubs players own consciousnesses. Pushing these things onto individuals will surely end in tears. Palestine, Yemen the treatment of workers in Qatar, the Kurds, Rohinja Muslims in China, Amazon indigenous peoples, whales dolphins Greenpeace climate change you name it. The players can deal with this on the Facebook pages and not in a Swansea city shirt. This is what Mr Julian Winter is generously paid to deal with.
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You want brilliant posts folks.Well that is one.
Excellent ,objective and coherent and avoiding ad hominem completely.
Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 18:33 - Jul 12 by Minesapint
I get your point but come on..emotions were high. The build up and expectations were off the scale.
The most pressure these kids have had was probably taking a driving test. England had their greatest chance and it rested on the shoulders of the youngsters. I will forgive him a bit of petulance and cut him some slack for that.
Anyone concerned about social media abuse might like to add their signature to the petition below. Not just to combat racist slurs but any online harassment.
If people have nothing to hide they should not have problem of providing proof of ID to be part of Twitter etc.
I'm with you, I can forgive the petulance of youth, we've all been there. Taking Rashford alone, look at what he's been doing outside football. He hasn't forgotten his roots or the financial hardships his family went through. I'm sure his mum is quite rightly proud of him. Still though, he's a young man with plenty of growing up to do. None of these youngsters deserved the abuse, well nobody deserves the abuse because of their colour. Criticise their form, the penalty misses or the managers choices yes but the racist nonsense is pure ignorance and stupidity. The social media abuse can and should be stopped, these companies should be held responsible. All social media needs better regulation as regards abusive/racist/hateful language. There is a fine line though between regulation and censorship. I will sign that petition.
Edit, petiton signed and stands at 566,735 when I signed it.
And while this has been going on Patel has quietly slipped into law a bill that will see RNLI volunteers criminalised for upholding international law, law of the sea and applying their charter when rescuing those in distress at sea. By omission it also expects those people in danger to be left to drown. She and her tory cronies can bleat all they like on twitter it's their actions that define them.
Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 10:05 - Jul 13 by Badlands
And while this has been going on Patel has quietly slipped into law a bill that will see RNLI volunteers criminalised for upholding international law, law of the sea and applying their charter when rescuing those in distress at sea. By omission it also expects those people in danger to be left to drown. She and her tory cronies can bleat all they like on twitter it's their actions that define them.
Which law are you talking about, do you have a link?
It’s the latest immigration Bill. Previously a person could be prosecuted if the aided someone to enter the uk illegally for profit. The new Bill removes ‘for profit’
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