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Protests at Old Trafford on 23:21 - May 2 by loftboy
The same owners who bought the club debt free and immediately saddled it with million of debt to fund the purchase and draw million pound salaries along the way, none of it is their money. Should be a criminal act how the Glazers bought United.
Protests at Old Trafford on 10:00 - May 3 by gazza1
Many hooligans basically......piss poor behaviour.
how do you effectively make your feelings known and affect change through 'nice' behaviour? The powers that be at any level don't give a flying one if it doesn't have the capacity to hurt them one way or another. now, there were probably dicks in yesterdays crowd, and it can be quite hard to have sympathy with a set of supporters who have seemingly been quite happy to let the bulk of us whither away since 1992, but then these people might be totally genuine and might be against the premiership and all it means for the rest of the football pyramid, and not just concerned with their own club.
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Protests at Old Trafford on 10:51 - May 3 with 1604 views
Protests at Old Trafford on 23:21 - May 2 by loftboy
The same owners who bought the club debt free and immediately saddled it with million of debt to fund the purchase and draw million pound salaries along the way, none of it is their money. Should be a criminal act how the Glazers bought United.
It’s a criminal act that the previous owners sold out to the Glazers - they very clearly did not act in the best interests of the club.... How come they always seem to escape any criticism?
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Scooters, Tunes, Trainers and QPR.
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Protests at Old Trafford on 10:52 - May 3 with 1601 views
Protests at Old Trafford on 23:21 - May 2 by loftboy
The same owners who bought the club debt free and immediately saddled it with million of debt to fund the purchase and draw million pound salaries along the way, none of it is their money. Should be a criminal act how the Glazers bought United.
the takeover at Burnley by Americans has also leveraged the club with debt, it's quite a regular way of financing deals apparently Of course, putting that debt on a club like Burnley as opposed to Man U and relying on maintaining premiership status to fund their own takeover is a really risky strategy for the club, as opposed to the new owners. .
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Protests at Old Trafford on 11:09 - May 3 with 1558 views
Protests at Old Trafford on 10:40 - May 3 by distortR
how do you effectively make your feelings known and affect change through 'nice' behaviour? The powers that be at any level don't give a flying one if it doesn't have the capacity to hurt them one way or another. now, there were probably dicks in yesterdays crowd, and it can be quite hard to have sympathy with a set of supporters who have seemingly been quite happy to let the bulk of us whither away since 1992, but then these people might be totally genuine and might be against the premiership and all it means for the rest of the football pyramid, and not just concerned with their own club.
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Basically loads of hooligans - simple. Why - cos that is what they do - blame the parents!!
I don't know the 'ins & outs' about the owners but they have spent plenty of money on players, got a proper decent ground, their training facilities are excellent......plenty of money spent and the managers appear to have got exactly what they want. No2 in Premiership, semi final, good footbal - not bad eh!!. Not sure what, else, the owners can do. Perhaps someone can explain to me.
Yes, they made a cock-up with this new Euro league and have apologised, perhaps they thought it would be good for the club, supporters and players.
Trouble makers, lots of them.
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Protests at Old Trafford on 11:14 - May 3 with 1551 views
it will be interesting to see what the FA do. Of course the problems outside the ground cannot be laid at the door of Manchester United but surely the pitch invasion is different. I always thought a pitch invasion was something the FA would punish a club for. I will not hold my breath
Protests at Old Trafford on 11:14 - May 3 by QPR_John
it will be interesting to see what the FA do. Of course the problems outside the ground cannot be laid at the door of Manchester United but surely the pitch invasion is different. I always thought a pitch invasion was something the FA would punish a club for. I will not hold my breath
The FA are currently engaging with their lawyers and scouring through the rule book in order to make sure they fan find a way....... not to punish Man U.
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Protests at Old Trafford on 12:11 - May 3 with 1468 views
Protests at Old Trafford on 11:09 - May 3 by gazza1
Basically loads of hooligans - simple. Why - cos that is what they do - blame the parents!!
I don't know the 'ins & outs' about the owners but they have spent plenty of money on players, got a proper decent ground, their training facilities are excellent......plenty of money spent and the managers appear to have got exactly what they want. No2 in Premiership, semi final, good footbal - not bad eh!!. Not sure what, else, the owners can do. Perhaps someone can explain to me.
Yes, they made a cock-up with this new Euro league and have apologised, perhaps they thought it would be good for the club, supporters and players.
Trouble makers, lots of them.
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Man Utd had money in the bank when the Glazers bought the club. They are now £450m+ in debt, and the club have paid out around £1bn in interest, and dividends and salaries to the Glazer family in the past 15 years. Old Trafford is increasingly showing signs of neglect and a lack of investment/maintenance - as has been commented on for years now. The Glazers have zero interest in doing other than milking Man Utd and their fans for as much as they can get away with, for as long as they can get away with it.
Fulham FC: It's the taking part that counts
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Protests at Old Trafford on 12:57 - May 3 with 1393 views
At it's most basic the Glazers took out a loan/mortgage - to buy a busioness and then take a divi out of it.
They are not good owners/custodians, I don't think they have shown any care or interest but they have been brillkiant (or their people have been) at essentially selling themselv es as a brannd to anyone and everyone who wants to be associated with them.
I dont personally see how simply protesting outside the ground really does very much - but not buying tiuckets, merchandise etc weill.
This more foreceful action, is however a way to trouly make a statement - not to excuse but to understand.
Of course the fundamental issue is your cannot really say they haven't invested, they've even won stuff post Fergie.
They bought the club in 05 - the fans protested for a while but when Fergie carried on covering things off with trophies.
Even this season they could finish 2nd and win the Europa.
Next season will be interesting to see as I think iot's a flash in the pan this season, which regardless has had it's bad moments, 6-1 at home to Spurs, but they're away form has been impressive, think OGS will struggle next year as the very best will improve, and the top 4 will once again be a huge challenge.
West Ham are challenging this season FFS.
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Protests at Old Trafford on 13:29 - May 3 with 1315 views
I wonder if the solution/replacement for FFP lies in this comment. FFP is absolutely not there to level the playing field, because it does the opposite. The biggest clubs with the biggest incomes are still allowed to streak off into the distance, the smaller clubs with smaller incomes are just forbidden from trying to match their spend. In theory what it's meant to do is almost protect clubs from themselves, and I've heard execs at the EFl and whatever in the past talk it up saying look how many clubs we used to see go into admin before it, and how many we have now.
Surely a better, fairer way, of achieving that is exactly as you say - let owners spend what they like on the club, but forbid it in the league rules from them passing that debt onto the club. If Chansiri wants to buy Sheff Wrd and spent £100m not getting them to the Premier League, that's entirely up to him, but it's his money, and his debt, and if it goes wrong it's owed by him and him alone, he can't just walk out of Sheff Wed leaving them owing £80m or whatever.
Glazers want to buy Man Utd, fine, but they finance it themselves and that debt is theirs, not the club.
I'm sure there are rules for publicly traded companies that prevent this, and of course the owners would then have cause to say that if it does go well and he does get Sheff Wed to the Prem then he should be entitled to take all the TV money out for himaself as well. So not perfect, and I'm just rambling here, but it always occurred to me the problem wasn't necessarily the overspend, it's who gets lumbered with that debt - club or owner. Our owners to be fair to them just convert it into shareholdings, which is kind of the equivalent, and maybe that should be the rule.
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Protests at Old Trafford on 13:33 - May 3 with 1302 views
Man Utd had money in the bank when the Glazers bought the club. They are now £450m+ in debt, and the club have paid out around £1bn in interest, and dividends and salaries to the Glazer family in the past 15 years. Old Trafford is increasingly showing signs of neglect and a lack of investment/maintenance - as has been commented on for years now. The Glazers have zero interest in doing other than milking Man Utd and their fans for as much as they can get away with, for as long as they can get away with it.
Your points are noted.......
But the owners are ploughing millions & millions of £££s into the playing side of the Club, the Managers have a blank cheque basically, they talking next year about even more big signings.
You mention that the ground is showing signs of neglect most grounds are including Fulham and QPR.
I presume its a business to the owners, as long as they are supporting the football side of affairs (which they appear to be doing) I cannot understand what all the fuss is about. It isn't as though the Club has 'gone to pot' since they have been the owners.
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Protests at Old Trafford on 13:38 - May 3 with 1284 views
If the owners were not investing vast sums into the club then the supporters would have something to moan about.......cant please everybody, 2nd top in the best league in the world, semi-final in a Euro cup. Playing some decent stuff too with sum decent players and more to come next season.
Yeh, lets protest.....and give those copper's some bottles. Disgraceful whatever anyone thinks.
Thats it 'over & out'......
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Protests at Old Trafford on 14:00 - May 3 with 1224 views
Protests at Old Trafford on 13:29 - May 3 by Northernr
I wonder if the solution/replacement for FFP lies in this comment. FFP is absolutely not there to level the playing field, because it does the opposite. The biggest clubs with the biggest incomes are still allowed to streak off into the distance, the smaller clubs with smaller incomes are just forbidden from trying to match their spend. In theory what it's meant to do is almost protect clubs from themselves, and I've heard execs at the EFl and whatever in the past talk it up saying look how many clubs we used to see go into admin before it, and how many we have now.
Surely a better, fairer way, of achieving that is exactly as you say - let owners spend what they like on the club, but forbid it in the league rules from them passing that debt onto the club. If Chansiri wants to buy Sheff Wrd and spent £100m not getting them to the Premier League, that's entirely up to him, but it's his money, and his debt, and if it goes wrong it's owed by him and him alone, he can't just walk out of Sheff Wed leaving them owing £80m or whatever.
Glazers want to buy Man Utd, fine, but they finance it themselves and that debt is theirs, not the club.
I'm sure there are rules for publicly traded companies that prevent this, and of course the owners would then have cause to say that if it does go well and he does get Sheff Wed to the Prem then he should be entitled to take all the TV money out for himaself as well. So not perfect, and I'm just rambling here, but it always occurred to me the problem wasn't necessarily the overspend, it's who gets lumbered with that debt - club or owner. Our owners to be fair to them just convert it into shareholdings, which is kind of the equivalent, and maybe that should be the rule.
agree about owners being allowed to spend their own money on a football club without sanction as long as they don't pass the debt onto the club, but we would have to find ways to prohibit them from attempting to recoup their money in other ways - e.g selling off the ground, training ground (Even your biggest. bestest most prog fan may be tempted to do that), extravagant wages or dividends. Even converting debt into shares may make the sale of the club in the future untenable if the said owners decide they want their full investment back, especially where the capital assets of a club could be, ahem, better realised. so really, I think it has to be 50 + 1
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Protests at Old Trafford on 14:09 - May 3 with 1187 views
Protests at Old Trafford on 14:02 - May 3 by distortR
agree about owners being allowed to spend their own money on a football club without sanction as long as they don't pass the debt onto the club, but we would have to find ways to prohibit them from attempting to recoup their money in other ways - e.g selling off the ground, training ground (Even your biggest. bestest most prog fan may be tempted to do that), extravagant wages or dividends. Even converting debt into shares may make the sale of the club in the future untenable if the said owners decide they want their full investment back, especially where the capital assets of a club could be, ahem, better realised. so really, I think it has to be 50 + 1
Kilmarnock are a good case in point. Though not fundamentally asset stripped by someone with bad intentions from the start ultimately they've been left with nothing other than their ground after selling real estate to pay off debt from overspending and bad judgements for years. While their overspending resulted in them being generally a mid table team with little tangible success to an outsider maintaining that has reduced them from having a large footprint around the ground, including training facilities, and a profitable hotel to now having a football ground and no land around it. The stadium has a very poor plastic pitch and they've literally hemmed themselves into it in that it is their training facilities as well so if their was a decision to go back to a decent grass pitch they've also got to find alternative training area and the costs involved in that added to converting back to the grass surface. With the finance available to them it doesn't seem possible that will ever happen.
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Protests at Old Trafford on 14:29 - May 3 with 1127 views
Protests at Old Trafford on 13:33 - May 3 by gazza1
Your points are noted.......
But the owners are ploughing millions & millions of £££s into the playing side of the Club, the Managers have a blank cheque basically, they talking next year about even more big signings.
You mention that the ground is showing signs of neglect most grounds are including Fulham and QPR.
I presume its a business to the owners, as long as they are supporting the football side of affairs (which they appear to be doing) I cannot understand what all the fuss is about. It isn't as though the Club has 'gone to pot' since they have been the owners.
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Fulham not the best example as our owner is spending a fortune out of his own pocket building a very expensive stand that will increase capacity by 4,000. QPR’s owners have lost a fortune on their ‘investment’ without siphoning off millions. United’s owners and the financing of their takeover have extracted £1bn from the club, whilst amassing debts of £450m. That’s worth protesting about.
Fulham FC: It's the taking part that counts
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Protests at Old Trafford on 14:39 - May 3 with 1277 views
Fulham not the best example as our owner is spending a fortune out of his own pocket building a very expensive stand that will increase capacity by 4,000. QPR’s owners have lost a fortune on their ‘investment’ without siphoning off millions. United’s owners and the financing of their takeover have extracted £1bn from the club, whilst amassing debts of £450m. That’s worth protesting about.
Definitely worth protesting about Konk, but as in Karl’s video, not much will change. Has anyone ever been that angry about their club that they break into the stadium, throw camera tripods around and bottle police officers? I get the protests, but there were plenty of rent-a-mob in Manchester last night. I feel it has detracted from the genuine protesters.
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