| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 15:57 - Feb 26 with 3364 views | JaySaint |
she should be handed over the authprities in Syria, given her crimes |  |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 16:16 - Feb 26 with 3340 views | Sadoldgit |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 15:57 - Feb 26 by JaySaint |
she should be handed over the authprities in Syria, given her crimes |
Which are what exactly? What has she been convicted of? No one has the right to strip someone’s citizenship from them. Whatever she may or may not have done, she is a British citizen and should face charges as a British citizen. |  | | |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 16:25 - Feb 26 with 3330 views | JaySaint |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 16:16 - Feb 26 by Sadoldgit |
Which are what exactly? What has she been convicted of? No one has the right to strip someone’s citizenship from them. Whatever she may or may not have done, she is a British citizen and should face charges as a British citizen. |
obviously, there is a right to strip citizenship....its has literally just happened. | |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 16:55 - Feb 26 with 3301 views | pjt50 |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 16:25 - Feb 26 by JaySaint |
obviously, there is a right to strip citizenship....its has literally just happened. |
Only by claiming she's a Bangladeshi citizen - even though she's never been there & the Bangladesh government disputes it. It's a difficult situation, but this smacks of dumping the problem on a developing country that's even less well-equipped to deal with it than we are. | |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 17:04 - Feb 26 with 3281 views | Saintsforeverj |
Didn't she run off to Islamic state, ISIS? I mean, she went there knowing what we all know about that barbaric and terrorist organisation, so she made her choice right? | |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 17:07 - Feb 26 with 3276 views | Ron11 |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 17:04 - Feb 26 by Saintsforeverj |
Didn't she run off to Islamic state, ISIS? I mean, she went there knowing what we all know about that barbaric and terrorist organisation, so she made her choice right? |
You make your bed, you lie in it.
Where was she complaining when those poor souls were having their heads cut off live on line?
Fu ck the bitch.
Luckily we're out of the EU or she'd probably be back here on benefits already. | | | |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 17:10 - Feb 26 with 3267 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 17:07 - Feb 26 by Ron11 |
You make your bed, you lie in it.
Where was she complaining when those poor souls were having their heads cut off live on line?
Fu ck the bitch.
Luckily we're out of the EU or she'd probably be back here on benefits already. |
I couldn't agree more. I think every British citizen knew ISIS were throwing people off buildings due to strict sharia law and they were linked to many terrorist atrocities. In fact, they claimed responsibility for many of the attacks. So she then decided to go there? [Post edited 26 Feb 2021 17:13]
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 17:12 - Feb 26 with 3266 views | Sadoldgit |
If she has broken laws then she needs to answer for it. That doesn’t mean that you have your citizenship taken away. It means if you are found guilty you face a jail sentence. You can bet that the narrative would be very different if she was white. | | | |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 17:12 - Feb 26 with 3265 views | DorsetIan |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 16:25 - Feb 26 by JaySaint |
obviously, there is a right to strip citizenship....its has literally just happened. |
That decision isn't final. She still has the right to appeal that.
This decision was about whether she had a right to come back to the UK to conduct that appeal. The court said no, and why she is in detention in Syria she isn't in a position to instruct lawyers (at least that was the argument).
If she is ever in position to instruct lawyers from overseas, her appeal can proceed. But that seems unlikely.
It's a Catch-22 for her, which many people will enjoy. | |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 17:14 - Feb 26 with 3260 views | Ron11 |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 17:12 - Feb 26 by DorsetIan |
That decision isn't final. She still has the right to appeal that.
This decision was about whether she had a right to come back to the UK to conduct that appeal. The court said no, and why she is in detention in Syria she isn't in a position to instruct lawyers (at least that was the argument).
If she is ever in position to instruct lawyers from overseas, her appeal can proceed. But that seems unlikely.
It's a Catch-22 for her, which many people will enjoy. |
And enjoy quite rightly. | | | |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 17:25 - Feb 26 with 3242 views | 1885_SFC |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 17:14 - Feb 26 by Ron11 |
And enjoy quite rightly. |
I'm thoroughly enjoying her being stuck in that shÃthole of a camp forever more to be honest. |  |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 18:11 - Feb 26 with 3182 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 17:10 - Feb 26 by Saintsforeverj |
I couldn't agree more. I think every British citizen knew ISIS were throwing people off buildings due to strict sharia law and they were linked to many terrorist atrocities. In fact, they claimed responsibility for many of the attacks. So she then decided to go there? [Post edited 26 Feb 2021 17:13]
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Hopefully in that place called hell, she will rot in it wherever it is. Very harsh sounding but even if her mind was indoctrinated or not, she cannot be trusted back here on our shores
And I don't care what age she was when that happened in case they try that route |  | | |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 18:43 - Feb 26 with 3154 views | pjt50 |
People commit all sorts of hideous crimes in this country but we don't lynch them in the street. I'm not being an apologist for her & I detest everything that ISIS stands for, but we believe in the rule of law in this country & we should all be eternally grateful that we do. | |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 18:51 - Feb 26 with 3140 views | 1885_SFC |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 18:43 - Feb 26 by pjt50 |
People commit all sorts of hideous crimes in this country but we don't lynch them in the street. I'm not being an apologist for her & I detest everything that ISIS stands for, but we believe in the rule of law in this country & we should all be eternally grateful that we do. |
Yes, but many of us also believe that she should never, ever, be allowed back to this green & pleasant land from now until her dying day - under any circumstances - not ever. | |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 18:57 - Feb 26 with 3129 views | Butty101 |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 18:43 - Feb 26 by pjt50 |
People commit all sorts of hideous crimes in this country but we don't lynch them in the street. I'm not being an apologist for her & I detest everything that ISIS stands for, but we believe in the rule of law in this country & we should all be eternally grateful that we do. |
They do but not against the flag |  |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 19:45 - Feb 26 with 3084 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 18:43 - Feb 26 by pjt50 |
People commit all sorts of hideous crimes in this country but we don't lynch them in the street. I'm not being an apologist for her & I detest everything that ISIS stands for, but we believe in the rule of law in this country & we should all be eternally grateful that we do. |
But in this case, we are talking about a person who was part of and travelled to, some of the most dangerous people in the world who admit to many terrorist atrocities across the world. What has she learnt there, what info does she have, what contacts does she now have? Apart from not wanting her here, it is also a matter of public safety. She could come here, with her contacts and arrange terrorist attacks (even under serveillance) that ISIS have sent her on a mission for. It's just possible, and we can't take that risk. Even the London Bridge attacker was supposed to be under surveillance. She is potentially very dangerous and we can't risk that. [Post edited 26 Feb 2021 20:22]
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 20:19 - Feb 26 with 3052 views | WinchesterExile |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 17:12 - Feb 26 by Sadoldgit |
If she has broken laws then she needs to answer for it. That doesn’t mean that you have your citizenship taken away. It means if you are found guilty you face a jail sentence. You can bet that the narrative would be very different if she was white. |
Citizenship requires obligations to the country of which you are a citizen. This includes the obligation to not perpetrate, conspire or support terrorism in the country of which you are citizen. British terrorists and their British supporters have no right to British citizenship. |  | | |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 20:34 - Feb 26 with 3025 views | DorsetIan |
I'm happy to let the courts decide whether stripping her of her citizenship was legal, if/when the time comes for that.
She was 15 when she left the UK. She's comes across as pretty dim. I think that there are worse people in the world than a stupid, misguided teenage girl. | |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 20:41 - Feb 26 with 3015 views | pjt50 |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 20:19 - Feb 26 by WinchesterExile |
Citizenship requires obligations to the country of which you are a citizen. This includes the obligation to not perpetrate, conspire or support terrorism in the country of which you are citizen. British terrorists and their British supporters have no right to British citizenship. |
The Home Office can't deprive somebody of UK citizenship under the Conducive to Public Good test if it means the person will become stateless. | |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 21:05 - Feb 26 with 2992 views | Sadoldgit |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 19:45 - Feb 26 by Saintsforeverj |
But in this case, we are talking about a person who was part of and travelled to, some of the most dangerous people in the world who admit to many terrorist atrocities across the world. What has she learnt there, what info does she have, what contacts does she now have? Apart from not wanting her here, it is also a matter of public safety. She could come here, with her contacts and arrange terrorist attacks (even under serveillance) that ISIS have sent her on a mission for. It's just possible, and we can't take that risk. Even the London Bridge attacker was supposed to be under surveillance. She is potentially very dangerous and we can't risk that. [Post edited 26 Feb 2021 20:22]
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We do not know that any of this is true. She may be guilty of no more than marrying (although probably not marrying as she was under age at the time) a member of ISIS. That is not the point. As far as any of us know she has not undergone a trial and been found guilty of terrorism yet she has had her citizenship cancelled. This means that anyone of us, if the Government decide, can also have our citizenship cancelled if they take a dislike to us. As Ian says, she doesn’t seem particularly bright and I would imagine that she is more of a danger to herself rather than any of us, but that is not the point. Like any British citizen she should go through a proper judicial procedure and be given the right to defend herself. | | | |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 21:05 - Feb 26 with 2993 views | JaySaint |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 20:34 - Feb 26 by DorsetIan |
I'm happy to let the courts decide whether stripping her of her citizenship was legal, if/when the time comes for that.
She was 15 when she left the UK. She's comes across as pretty dim. I think that there are worse people in the world than a stupid, misguided teenage girl. |
She willingly left to join ISIS. Had ISIS succeeded, I doubt she would be back but instead, storing severed heads in her fridge. | |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 22:30 - Feb 26 with 2932 views | DorsetIan |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 21:05 - Feb 26 by JaySaint |
She willingly left to join ISIS. Had ISIS succeeded, I doubt she would be back but instead, storing severed heads in her fridge. |
She didn't just willingly go. She was determined, and went to extraordinary efforts to get there. She won't be the last deluded, headstrong, teenager to do something really stupid.
She's not the devil, and I have some pity for anyone who f*cks up their entire life by decisions they make aged 15. | |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 06:17 - Feb 27 with 2854 views | JaySaint |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 22:30 - Feb 26 by DorsetIan |
She didn't just willingly go. She was determined, and went to extraordinary efforts to get there. She won't be the last deluded, headstrong, teenager to do something really stupid.
She's not the devil, and I have some pity for anyone who f*cks up their entire life by decisions they make aged 15. |
She isn’t some kid who stole some sweets corner shop at 13 years old.
Many people her age will have their entire live messed up by lesser actions. | |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 08:55 - Feb 27 with 2774 views | DorsetIan |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 06:17 - Feb 27 by JaySaint |
She isn’t some kid who stole some sweets corner shop at 13 years old.
Many people her age will have their entire live messed up by lesser actions. |
Exactly my point.
Anyone whose entire life is messed up by their stupid actions as a teenager deserves some pity. Maybe not much in her case, but it’s not the Middle Ages, and she’s not a witch. | |
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| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 09:04 - Feb 27 with 2772 views | solent_toffee |
| Well Done the British Judges today - Great Work on 08:55 - Feb 27 by DorsetIan |
Exactly my point.
Anyone whose entire life is messed up by their stupid actions as a teenager deserves some pity. Maybe not much in her case, but it’s not the Middle Ages, and she’s not a witch. |
I think the issue is far more complex than I can comprehend. She was a 15 year old child groomed by the vile ISIS and made a very dramatic crazy decision and she couldn’t have known what that decision would lead to, despite what the angry mob might think.
I find the high fiving of grown men at her situation fairly crass but it’s to be expected these days. The fact that it all gets played out in the media only flames this situation especially with the social media kangaroo courts where everyone is an expert on the mindset of 15 year olds girls and how vulnerable they can and can’t be. | | | |
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