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Warburton, What's next? on 13:50 - Dec 2 by Gloucs_R
By no mean is this poll meant to be a witch hunt. I am just curious to understand what the general consensus is within our fan base at the moment.
I see a alot of positives in the approach taken by Warb's to play open, attractive and attacking football while at the same time bringing on / developing players . However the approach needs us to be scoring goals & unlike last season that side of our game has diminished but our ability to concede soft goals hasn't.
He needs to adapt his philosophy as watching us losing attractive games on a stream is one thing but once we are back in the ground the novelty will soon go.
If he or another can get the defence sorted and maintain our attacking zest then that would create mouth watering possibilities for the next couple of seasons....
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Warburton, What's next? on 14:37 - Dec 2 with 4548 views
It may be out of the clubs hands in a way... he may want to walk himself The question is who would be his replacement. True we always seem to get someone but we haven't really moved forward since Warnock was here It seems the players still want to play for him and that is a big plus for him staying. Once that stops he is a dead man walking. So unless we looked down I would stick with him
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Warburton, What's next? on 14:56 - Dec 2 with 4467 views
This must be like an abusive relationship, too afraid to move on and just take the next beating as who else would look after ya It's what you deserve anyway fecking keyboard warriors, know what I mean know what I mean, his mates think he is a great chap, does his best, talks the talk, loves the R's, was there in the 70's with his mate Mclintock, he has had a hard life, it's a hard job, no money, bad knees, got to get them excuses in.
Her indoors always nagging Shut-it! Cover up that black eye you know's I love ya.
FFS Gloucs, stop asking for Warb’s head every time we lose. I know you said its not a witch hunt but it doesn’t need a poll. Its been discussed many times the whole situation we are in in terms of money, players, tactics etc.
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Warburton, What's next? on 19:44 - Dec 2 with 3945 views
Warburton, What's next? on 19:39 - Dec 2 by Juzzie
FFS Gloucs, stop asking for Warb’s head every time we lose. I know you said its not a witch hunt but it doesn’t need a poll. Its been discussed many times the whole situation we are in in terms of money, players, tactics etc.
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A) I haven't B) I posted this to get and understanding of where everyone's head is at. Very different on this board to other social media sites C) I'll post what I want thanks.
Warburton, What's next? on 19:44 - Dec 2 by Gloucs_R
A) I haven't B) I posted this to get and understanding of where everyone's head is at. Very different on this board to other social media sites C) I'll post what I want thanks.
You do, every time we lose a game you question his appointment. Its boring.
Goes further back too
Is Warnocks time up? by Juzzie4 Nov 2020 12:48 Yes, they were piss poor signings but that's all that was left in the barrel by the time Briatore sold.
I don't recall too many people bemoaning Barton (other than his character) and SWP played really well against Newcastle that we, me included, thought he'd have a good season. He basically gave up shortly there after yet trousered something like £35k+ a week for the next 5 years.
These were the players we signed while Briatore was still in charge;
13 July 2011 Jay Bothroyd Cardiff City Free
13 July 2011 Kieron Dyer West Ham United Free
25 July 2011 Danny Gabbidon West Ham United Free
4 August 2011 DJ Campbell Blackpool £1.25 million
10 August 2011 Brian Murphy Ipswich Town Free
One fee of £1.25m and the rest freebies. Again, to keep the books looking good.
These were who we signed after Briatore sold the club;
26 August 2011 Joey Barton Newcastle United Free
27 August 2011 Luke Young Aston Villa Undisclosed
30 August 2011 Armand Traoré £1.3 million
31 August 2011 Shaun Wright-Phillips Manchester City £4 million
31 August 2011 Anton Ferdinand Sunderland £3 million
£8.3m but, as said, they were all that was left.
I do agree we'd probably have been better off if Warnock had stayed and we'd gone down as we spent even more money the next few transfer windows and still went down the next season.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Warburton, What's next? on 20:39 - Dec 2 with 3819 views
Warburton, What's next? on 20:21 - Dec 2 by Juzzie
You do, every time we lose a game you question his appointment. Its boring.
Goes further back too
Is Warnocks time up? by Juzzie4 Nov 2020 12:48 Yes, they were piss poor signings but that's all that was left in the barrel by the time Briatore sold.
I don't recall too many people bemoaning Barton (other than his character) and SWP played really well against Newcastle that we, me included, thought he'd have a good season. He basically gave up shortly there after yet trousered something like £35k+ a week for the next 5 years.
These were the players we signed while Briatore was still in charge;
13 July 2011 Jay Bothroyd Cardiff City Free
13 July 2011 Kieron Dyer West Ham United Free
25 July 2011 Danny Gabbidon West Ham United Free
4 August 2011 DJ Campbell Blackpool £1.25 million
10 August 2011 Brian Murphy Ipswich Town Free
One fee of £1.25m and the rest freebies. Again, to keep the books looking good.
These were who we signed after Briatore sold the club;
26 August 2011 Joey Barton Newcastle United Free
27 August 2011 Luke Young Aston Villa Undisclosed
30 August 2011 Armand Traoré £1.3 million
31 August 2011 Shaun Wright-Phillips Manchester City £4 million
31 August 2011 Anton Ferdinand Sunderland £3 million
£8.3m but, as said, they were all that was left.
I do agree we'd probably have been better off if Warnock had stayed and we'd gone down as we spent even more money the next few transfer windows and still went down the next season.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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And so he should be questioned.
The worst start to a championship season since 2007.
8 clean sheets in 66 games.
A win ratio no better than Holloway, with a squad better than Holloway had (last season.)
A squad better than at least 10 championship teams this season, imo.
He's not fixing the problems in defence.
All of us can see that zonal marking corners doesn't work.
His substitutions rarely make an impact.
I think the manager needs to be held accountable. We should not accept this defeatist attitude every week.
So yes, calling him out, putting him under pressure is exactly what we should be doing.
But again, I am not saying he should be sacked. But he needs to pull his finger out or leave at the end of the season.
Warburton, What's next? on 20:21 - Dec 2 by Juzzie
You do, every time we lose a game you question his appointment. Its boring.
Goes further back too
Is Warnocks time up? by Juzzie4 Nov 2020 12:48 Yes, they were piss poor signings but that's all that was left in the barrel by the time Briatore sold.
I don't recall too many people bemoaning Barton (other than his character) and SWP played really well against Newcastle that we, me included, thought he'd have a good season. He basically gave up shortly there after yet trousered something like £35k+ a week for the next 5 years.
These were the players we signed while Briatore was still in charge;
13 July 2011 Jay Bothroyd Cardiff City Free
13 July 2011 Kieron Dyer West Ham United Free
25 July 2011 Danny Gabbidon West Ham United Free
4 August 2011 DJ Campbell Blackpool £1.25 million
10 August 2011 Brian Murphy Ipswich Town Free
One fee of £1.25m and the rest freebies. Again, to keep the books looking good.
These were who we signed after Briatore sold the club;
26 August 2011 Joey Barton Newcastle United Free
27 August 2011 Luke Young Aston Villa Undisclosed
30 August 2011 Armand Traoré £1.3 million
31 August 2011 Shaun Wright-Phillips Manchester City £4 million
31 August 2011 Anton Ferdinand Sunderland £3 million
£8.3m but, as said, they were all that was left.
I do agree we'd probably have been better off if Warnock had stayed and we'd gone down as we spent even more money the next few transfer windows and still went down the next season.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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I work in sales mate. A results based business. If you don't perform, you get the boot. It's that simple.
As a sales manager, I closely watch the performance of my team. I make changes, I influence, I analyse constantly and I question everything.
No different to questioning the impact of our managers.
Sorry, but I don’t agree with the whole “it’s a results business” mantra. Football isn’t like having to sell 100 fridges a month to meet a target.
This is not a sales meeting in some magnolia conference room next to a train station where loads and loads of charts and whiteboard presentations are presented to a room full of bored people who then have to fill out a survey at the end.
It’s the same every time. People questioning the manager, whoever he may be, without ever offering up a realistic successor. To steal the title of last nights match review, its always rinse, lather & repeat. Never changes.
So, rather than always asking how about answering.....
If not Warburton, who should do the job?
Who is going to come here without the intention of merely rinsing the club out of a three year contract and a pay-off after 18 months of shite work?
Who is going to come here with little money to spend?
Who is going to turn over a conveyor belt of youth players like Eze to keep the club going whilst expecting to get the club in a shout of the play offs whilst selling all the best players, if we have any of ability to sell, on a regular basis?
If people want to complain about the current incumbent then at least offer up a successor and what merits they have to meet the criteria.
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Warburton, What's next? on 21:19 - Dec 2 with 3711 views
Southampton, Burnley, Brentford, and Norwich (among others) are similar sized clubs who are currently reaping the benefits of putting results aside for a bit for the sake of financial stability and investment in infrastructure over in vogue managers and YouTube footballers. Southampton were in League One playing Walsall and Rochdale in 2011.
We can be the Burnley of 2030 if everyone can just sit on their trigger finger for a bit.
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Warburton, What's next? on 21:30 - Dec 2 with 3684 views
Warburton, What's next? on 21:05 - Dec 2 by Juzzie
Sorry, but I don’t agree with the whole “it’s a results business” mantra. Football isn’t like having to sell 100 fridges a month to meet a target.
This is not a sales meeting in some magnolia conference room next to a train station where loads and loads of charts and whiteboard presentations are presented to a room full of bored people who then have to fill out a survey at the end.
It’s the same every time. People questioning the manager, whoever he may be, without ever offering up a realistic successor. To steal the title of last nights match review, its always rinse, lather & repeat. Never changes.
So, rather than always asking how about answering.....
If not Warburton, who should do the job?
Who is going to come here without the intention of merely rinsing the club out of a three year contract and a pay-off after 18 months of shite work?
Who is going to come here with little money to spend?
Who is going to turn over a conveyor belt of youth players like Eze to keep the club going whilst expecting to get the club in a shout of the play offs whilst selling all the best players, if we have any of ability to sell, on a regular basis?
If people want to complain about the current incumbent then at least offer up a successor and what merits they have to meet the criteria.
Football is a results based business Juzzie. Of course it is. Ask any football manager. You can hit targets off the pitch but unless you're successful on it then you'll be under pressure. That's why managers get paid the massive salaries they pick up.
As I have said on another thread, I personally think he needs a better coaching team around him. I've never been convinced by Eustace and would love to know how effective the coaches we have are. I suspect someone like Clint Hill would be a great assistant for him.
If he goes at the end of the season, I would consider interviewing Pearson, Bowyer, Adkins, Powell, Neville and Wagner. Obviously depending on budgets.
Personally would have liked Hughton before he went to Forest.
Warburton, What's next? on 19:19 - Dec 2 by 2Thomas2Bowles
This must be like an abusive relationship, too afraid to move on and just take the next beating as who else would look after ya It's what you deserve anyway fecking keyboard warriors, know what I mean know what I mean, his mates think he is a great chap, does his best, talks the talk, loves the R's, was there in the 70's with his mate Mclintock, he has had a hard life, it's a hard job, no money, bad knees, got to get them excuses in.
Her indoors always nagging Shut-it! Cover up that black eye you know's I love ya.
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