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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 11:16 - Dec 13 by rochdaleriddler
Every day at the paper shop I looked at the headlines of the tabloids, all attacking labour incessantly, the constant anti Semitic agenda , the urge to get Brexit done all made this very difficult for Labour. The BBC helping to doctor its news output to favour the Tories was outrageous . I’ve lived through tough times when the Tories had big majorities, and will have to again. It’s young people, in poorer areas I feel for , their parents have voted to take away their future
The future is cancelled for the time being. What makes anyone think that the Tories will do anything for the areas like Heywood in the future when they've done nothing for them in the last nine years ? Another lost decade coming up after the last one.
Good luck with holding on to Scotland now. They'll be gone in five years.
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 18:19 - Dec 13 with 1617 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 13:33 - Dec 13 by D_Alien
I haven't bothered to answer since if press owners were involved in some sort of plot to keep the Tories in power, how come the Labour Party ever got to win an election? It's just nonsense, and gaining the votes of a wide range of people is what results in one party winning an election, just as Labour appealed to a much wider range of people in the late 90s/2000s
As the Labour Party is currently being led, it has zero chance of ever winning an election. It, and you, are fighting the battles of yesteryear whilst the world moves on. When even those with "a reading age of 10" can see that, maybe it's time to start asking yourself some questions rather than trying to blame everyone else
Labour have won 3 elections in the last 50 years. All of which came under a blue wearing red colours..
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 18:34 - Dec 13 with 1587 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 10:06 - Dec 13 by sweetcorn
Keir Starmer played a big role in this loss, he’s a staunch remainer and played a role to steering the party in the catastrophic attempt to play both sides by winning remain seats and keeping hold of their strong holds. Wouldn’t want him as leader personally.
Seeing an impassioned Jess Phillips after the exit poll on channel 4 did her no harm in winning the vote of those with empathy for those less fortunate than themselves. Also seems to be quite grounded about where labour lie and the need for reform (this will probably put off union leaders though tbf, as they still think radical left is the way to go after listening to the momentum chair on bbc who insisted brexit was the sole reason for such a resounding defeat) Boris also see’s her as a threat, she’d get my vote for the party leadership.
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But Jess Phillips is a Remainer too and, according to the posters on here who are pleased with the GE result, the one thing guaranteed to put off the ex-Labour heartlands is more lefty policies from a loud, confident women who supports gay rights etc
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 16:19 - Dec 13 by RooleyMoorBlue
I go to Tesco once a week and there is always someone outside there, begging but at the same time smoking and using a mobile phone that I could only dream of owning. People today do not know what real poverty is. They think it is when they have no money for food, after spending god knows how much on a flat screen tv or a games console. If you watch these programmes about alleged poverty you only have to look at the polished nails and tattooed eyebrows, fashionable clothing etc. to know that people growing up these days do not know the true meaning of poverty. There are people who genuinely cannot make ends meet, but they are not the ones you see on the TV, because those people would be distraught should the the world know of their plight, not flaunting the fact they have their priorities wrong.
Stfu. I worked on Piccadilly train station for 2 years from 17-19, I saw real poverty whilst working on that station people who didn't know where their next meal was coming from and thought committing crime and getting nicked would be a better option than what they currently have, how sad is that?
Who gives a f**k who's on telly, there is real poverty all over the UK, especially in big cities. Whilst there are people going hungry, homeless and can't make ends meet, I'll always be a socialist as long as this is happening.
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 18:36 - Dec 13 with 1581 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 18:02 - Dec 13 by mingthemerciless
The future is cancelled for the time being. What makes anyone think that the Tories will do anything for the areas like Heywood in the future when they've done nothing for them in the last nine years ? Another lost decade coming up after the last one.
Good luck with holding on to Scotland now. They'll be gone in five years.
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Let them go. I can't see it making one bit of difference to the rest of the UK if they did other than we might need a passport to get there if we want to go.
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 18:39 - Dec 13 with 1574 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 18:34 - Dec 13 by tony_roch975
But Jess Phillips is a Remainer too and, according to the posters on here who are pleased with the GE result, the one thing guaranteed to put off the ex-Labour heartlands is more lefty policies from a loud, confident women who supports gay rights etc
Jess Phillips is in the more central part of labour than left wing, however this could now work given the left wing rank of labour which JC has built since taking leadership who could help keep the balance..
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 18:41 - Dec 13 with 1542 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 18:36 - Dec 13 by DaleFan7
Let them go. I can't see it making one bit of difference to the rest of the UK if they did other than we might need a passport to get there if we want to go.
having to re-site our nuclear fleet at Hollingworth Lake might hike our house insurance
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 18:36 - Dec 13 by sweetcorn
Stfu. I worked on Piccadilly train station for 2 years from 17-19, I saw real poverty whilst working on that station people who didn't know where their next meal was coming from and thought committing crime and getting nicked would be a better option than what they currently have, how sad is that?
Who gives a f**k who's on telly, there is real poverty all over the UK, especially in big cities. Whilst there are people going hungry, homeless and can't make ends meet, I'll always be a socialist as long as this is happening.
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No idea how old you are now but I was living in central Manchester until earlier this year. You’re right that the homelessness and poverty there is stark and it’s very real. You don’t sleep in manky sleeping bags in shop fronts in sub zero temps in the pissing down rain to con change out of passers by. It’s stating the obvious that a lot of homeless people have addiction issues. Much in the same way a lot of people with homes and jobs they don’t like will also drink and take drugs to excess. Christ, I think I’d start drinking again if was out on the street. What strikes me when I visit Rochdale is the number of beggars. Ok it’s not the same level as a city like Manchester and Rochdale has always been a poorer run down town as far as I can remember but I never recall beggars when I was growing up. It’s the same story in every single town and city though, Dale isn’t unique.
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 19:39 - Dec 13 with 1478 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 19:32 - Dec 13 by Ancoats_Blue
No idea how old you are now but I was living in central Manchester until earlier this year. You’re right that the homelessness and poverty there is stark and it’s very real. You don’t sleep in manky sleeping bags in shop fronts in sub zero temps in the pissing down rain to con change out of passers by. It’s stating the obvious that a lot of homeless people have addiction issues. Much in the same way a lot of people with homes and jobs they don’t like will also drink and take drugs to excess. Christ, I think I’d start drinking again if was out on the street. What strikes me when I visit Rochdale is the number of beggars. Ok it’s not the same level as a city like Manchester and Rochdale has always been a poorer run down town as far as I can remember but I never recall beggars when I was growing up. It’s the same story in every single town and city though, Dale isn’t unique.
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I'm 27. So not that long ago, but obviously I'm still in touch with former colleagues at the station despite moving on in network rail and the homeless issue is still as bad as any.
I actually had a tory supporter try to defend their position to me by saying "you've lived comfortable the last 9 years under tory government, why would you vote elsewhere". Are people really that self-absorbed?
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 19:41 - Dec 13 with 1471 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 19:39 - Dec 13 by sweetcorn
I'm 27. So not that long ago, but obviously I'm still in touch with former colleagues at the station despite moving on in network rail and the homeless issue is still as bad as any.
I actually had a tory supporter try to defend their position to me by saying "you've lived comfortable the last 9 years under tory government, why would you vote elsewhere". Are people really that self-absorbed?
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 19:32 - Dec 13 by Ancoats_Blue
No idea how old you are now but I was living in central Manchester until earlier this year. You’re right that the homelessness and poverty there is stark and it’s very real. You don’t sleep in manky sleeping bags in shop fronts in sub zero temps in the pissing down rain to con change out of passers by. It’s stating the obvious that a lot of homeless people have addiction issues. Much in the same way a lot of people with homes and jobs they don’t like will also drink and take drugs to excess. Christ, I think I’d start drinking again if was out on the street. What strikes me when I visit Rochdale is the number of beggars. Ok it’s not the same level as a city like Manchester and Rochdale has always been a poorer run down town as far as I can remember but I never recall beggars when I was growing up. It’s the same story in every single town and city though, Dale isn’t unique.
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Sorry to jump in mid debate... what/who do you think is directly to blame for the homeless problems?
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 20:01 - Dec 13 with 1430 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 18:45 - Dec 13 by tony_roch975
possibly even 5 since 1969; but surely that was D_Alien's point - under FPTP it's only with moderate, inconsequential policies that you win.
You mean like the " moderate, inconsequental policies " that the Johnson gang will be putting into practice ? This is the most right wing government in my lifetime. They're to the right of any Thatcher government. Don't believe me - look at the people in the Cabinet now and then look at the ones that have just left !
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 20:03 - Dec 13 with 1428 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 19:52 - Dec 13 by nordenblue
Sorry to jump in mid debate... what/who do you think is directly to blame for the homeless problems?
I don’t think there’s a single cause.
As a society most of our households are vulnerable and only losing their job away from ending up in dire straights with all the household and personal debt and monthly outgoings. I’d lay blame on a lack of financial education and budgeting skills in the school curriculum. Couple that with Rent/mortgages and other essential expenditure eating a big chunk of people’s income and there’s bound to be strain when shit happens. Too many people buy useless shite on credit. Most people don’t have enough savings.
The biggy for me though is a lack of mental health support. Most of the people I’ve encountered who are or have been homeless have mental health issues. Unchecked these lead to worsened addiction problems , eventual job losses or just stop the sufferer leading a conventional lifestyle. Life spirals our of control and folk fall through the cracks of the systems that are supposed to protect them.
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 20:08 - Dec 13 with 1424 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 18:36 - Dec 13 by sweetcorn
Stfu. I worked on Piccadilly train station for 2 years from 17-19, I saw real poverty whilst working on that station people who didn't know where their next meal was coming from and thought committing crime and getting nicked would be a better option than what they currently have, how sad is that?
Who gives a f**k who's on telly, there is real poverty all over the UK, especially in big cities. Whilst there are people going hungry, homeless and can't make ends meet, I'll always be a socialist as long as this is happening.
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A few weeks back I saw a bloke had been sleeping rough in that bus stop on Whitehall St opposite the Infirmary main entrance. I mentioned this to my wife and she said she used to work with him. He was a teacher previously. I found out today the poor bloke has died. He was about 50 I believe.
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 20:12 - Dec 13 with 1420 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 18:36 - Dec 13 by sweetcorn
Stfu. I worked on Piccadilly train station for 2 years from 17-19, I saw real poverty whilst working on that station people who didn't know where their next meal was coming from and thought committing crime and getting nicked would be a better option than what they currently have, how sad is that?
Who gives a f**k who's on telly, there is real poverty all over the UK, especially in big cities. Whilst there are people going hungry, homeless and can't make ends meet, I'll always be a socialist as long as this is happening.
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well said, me too but I'm at the other end of life from you and it hasn't happened yet; as someone once said, you'll never sell socialism to the English. Question is do we want a Labour Party to fight that battle or one that wins the odd election by being an imitation of the LIbDems?
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 18:34 - Dec 13 by tony_roch975
But Jess Phillips is a Remainer too and, according to the posters on here who are pleased with the GE result, the one thing guaranteed to put off the ex-Labour heartlands is more lefty policies from a loud, confident women who supports gay rights etc
And a person who laughed out loud in the commons at the idea that men commit suicide at a much higher rate than women. Dreadful woman.
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 20:16 - Dec 13 with 1413 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 20:12 - Dec 13 by tony_roch975
well said, me too but I'm at the other end of life from you and it hasn't happened yet; as someone once said, you'll never sell socialism to the English. Question is do we want a Labour Party to fight that battle or one that wins the odd election by being an imitation of the LIbDems?
Somebody once said " The Labour Party Is A Crusade Or It's Nothing ". Too many times they got in power and forgotten that. They've morphed into a Tory Lite party and then been voted out. It'll happen again when Johnson and his cronies eventually over step the mark.
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 20:18 - Dec 13 with 1408 views
My mother in law works for Manchester City council and it’s her job to count the rough sleepers. That’s right folks count them. Count them so a labour council and mayor can claim funding for them. I wonder how much of this funding is dripping down to homeless folk. Also all of the new apartment blocks in town that are being built must also have a percentage of “affordable housing” built on site but the crook of a mayor is fine with the building firms promising to build affordable housing units away from the city centre. Which isn’t happening.
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 20:23 - Dec 13 with 1392 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 20:08 - Dec 13 by mingthemerciless
A few weeks back I saw a bloke had been sleeping rough in that bus stop on Whitehall St opposite the Infirmary main entrance. I mentioned this to my wife and she said she used to work with him. He was a teacher previously. I found out today the poor bloke has died. He was about 50 I believe.
Surely you are mistaken, he was obviously part of a criminal gang fleecing the public
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 20:16 - Dec 13 by mingthemerciless
Somebody once said " The Labour Party Is A Crusade Or It's Nothing ". Too many times they got in power and forgotten that. They've morphed into a Tory Lite party and then been voted out. It'll happen again when Johnson and his cronies eventually over step the mark.
Labour cannot use that line anymore. "Crusade" is too strong a link to battles against Muslims. Offensive.
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Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 20:27 - Dec 13 with 1379 views
Is Boris Johnson a coward? on 20:18 - Dec 13 by Rochdale_ger
My mother in law works for Manchester City council and it’s her job to count the rough sleepers. That’s right folks count them. Count them so a labour council and mayor can claim funding for them. I wonder how much of this funding is dripping down to homeless folk. Also all of the new apartment blocks in town that are being built must also have a percentage of “affordable housing” built on site but the crook of a mayor is fine with the building firms promising to build affordable housing units away from the city centre. Which isn’t happening.
Affordable housing just means housing slightly less expensive, same with ‘affordable rent’ in the public sector, a lot higher than normal rent
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